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FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

It's hard to say for certain if he's guilty, but there is nowhere near enough evidence to have justified a conviction here. Even at trial there were a lot of inconsistencies on Jay's part, which was the cornerstone of the state's case. Based on what they presented, he should have been acquitted. Unfortunately there really isn't enough physical evidence in this case to say what really happened. It's almost entirely down to testimony.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2014 18:17

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 22:13

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Civil and criminal cases carry completely different standards for a reason.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2014 21:04

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Watermelon City posted:

By his own admission, Jay helped move and then bury Hae's body. He should not be so incredulous if people think he was involved in her killing.

He's also the only person in this case who has admitted to being with the dead body and burying it. I have no idea what world he's in if he thinks everyone believes he's just some cool dude and not an accessory to murder, at minimum.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2014 01:40

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

He was somehow able to plead that accessory charge down to criminal mischief or something equally minor, and ended up with just probation.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2014 04:53

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

mennoknight posted:

why would you guys believe Jay when he says that imam thing? he uh, has kind of lied before.

Yeah I'm not sure either. Does he say how he knows this?

# ¿ Dec 31, 2014 14:35

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Honestly with a case like this, the idea of it being that other guy they mentioned in Episode 12 makes sense to a degree.

But yeah, I don't understand why many are giving Jay's claims credibility when his story keeps changing.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2014 16:45

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Yeah she clearly pointed out in that episode that she knew that it wasn't the greatest move to go to his house, but she believed that was their best chance of him talking to them at all, which he did.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2015 01:15

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I agree with the last part that she should have had some kind of ID or something basic.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2015 02:59

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

She made it pretty clear in that episode that she wanted to do everything possible to speak with him since he was so crucial to the case. The family of Hae or Adnan are peripheral, and we don't know how hard she tried there or not. I don't have an issue with the approach.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2015 16:46

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Daikatana Ritsu posted:

In what world do you live in where the victim's family and the convicts family is peripheral?

I didn't write that properly, but my point was that you need to be more careful as a journalist with those two groups as opposed to this one witness who was already implicated as an accessory. Like she's not going to show up at either one's houses, because I think we can agree that would be inappropriate.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2015 17:06

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

xbilkis posted:

In the third part of the interview with The Intercept Jay says he suspects Sarah of leaking confidential documents to Reddit, so there's no way someone that stupid could have framed someone else for murder

And it's probably because Reddit told him she did it or something stupid

# ¿ Jan 1, 2015 21:56

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I think it's hard to argue otherwise, yeah.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2015 22:56

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African AIDS cum posted:

He does

Based on what? The cell phone records and that other call are not enough for a 1st degree murder conviction.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2015 23:16

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

redcheval posted:

Not to mention with Jay's interview and 'this is the real story this time', all the phone record 'evidence' that corroborated his original story goes out the window.

I would also point out that according to the podcast, it sounds like he probably would have been acquitted during the first trial had his lawyer not screwed up. So this could have gone in a completely different way.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2015 03:00

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Kelly posted:

Jay let what was essentially a kid rot in the ground for six weeks without telling anyone and didn't serve a day in jail. He deserves worse than he's getting.

Didn't he also just claim that he knew beforehand that this girl was going to die and did nothing?

# ¿ Jan 2, 2015 05:37

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I love how people are suddenly sure that he's guilty because the prosecutor said so.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2015 16:07

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Drunk Tomato posted:

There is no evidence. There is only what "may have" happened, based on two halves of an untrustworthy source: spotty cell phone records and Jay's shoddy testimony.

Yeah that's my problem. It's a very circumstantial case with nothing beyond a lot of speculation and the word of one guy who had plenty of reason to try and save his own rear end at the time.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2015 18:16

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Euthyphro posted:

Where is the stuff about Adnan's imam pleading the fifth? I haven't been doing much internet sleuthing, but I'd love to check that out.

Jay claims that Adnan confessed to the Imam, but I have not heard anything about that.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2015 21:14

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

SamuraiFoochs posted:

Also the fact that internet detectives are trying to exonerate Adnan is really loving sad. Don't get me wrong, that Innocence Project endeavor is one thing (and the fact that that woman seemed so confident he was worth trying to exonerate him when she's seen it all is probably the biggest thing I personally find in Adnan's favor). But some loving Redditor stalking Jay's family or some poo poo in an effort to "crack the case" is both pathetic and creepy.

I think we can all agree that Reddit is awful

# ¿ Jan 13, 2015 04:41

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

moths posted:

The mosque skimming also led to one of Adnan's more demonstrably manipulative moments: SK portrayed him in a negative light so he withheld communication and "friendship" for a week. I'm no court-qualified expert in identifying manipulative people, but this is the sort of thing people learn to recognize from lovely relationships or bossy co-workers.

People get upset at accusations of theft. I don't think he was playing games. I mean the guy seems remarkably well-adjusted for being in jail for life as it is. That will mess with the best of us.

# ¿ Jan 13, 2015 15:14

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

stickyfngrdboy posted:

What was jay told, or what did he tell the police, in the interview rooms before they started recording? Has that been covered anywhere? Im just asking questions, see.

I don't think so, because the cops aren't talking, and nothing was recorded.

# ¿ Jan 13, 2015 21:07

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Shnakepup posted:

Just saw this: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2015/01/8560228/natasha-vargas-cooper-out-intercept

drat that was fast.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2015 21:08

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Spaced God posted:

Adnan got his appeal!

Wow, color me surprised. Never thought in a million years they would give him that chance.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2015 23:52

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Spaced God posted:

There just isn't enough evidence to say anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is the only part that matters

# ¿ Feb 10, 2015 04:57

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Orkin Mang posted:

out the front of his grandma's house i think. he was selling drugs from there at the time. he says this is why he kept lying about where the trunk popped occurred, because he didnt want to get his grandmother into any kind of trouble related to his drug dealing. she's dead so that's why he says he's comfortable telling the truth about it now.

Even though this is about the 10th version of that story he's told now

# ¿ Feb 11, 2015 04:37

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Yeah they will still outright ignore instructions at times, this is all too common.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2015 22:49

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

DARPA posted:

lol at everyone upset that real life isn't as exciting as Law and Order

Are you really that surprised though?

# ¿ Apr 10, 2015 03:54

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 22:13

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I think even if you think he's guilty you should not have a problem with a new trial. He did not have adequate representation.

# ¿ May 20, 2015 15:50

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