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Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

The Devil Tesla posted:

What is the Jump mandate?

It's not really a mandate, It's more that people can never seem to grasp that if series aren't popular they have to adapt in order to not get cut from the magazine. No matter the perceived quality of the series. If it's not popular and isn't selling then Jump would be stupid to keep it around. Death Note was able to flourish and it very much was not your standard shonen fare solely because it got ratings and sold very well.


Most of the the time that Adaptation changes it to a more action based series, sometimes it's successful(Reborn, Medaka Box) other times it's not(Oumagadoki Zoo).

Hero seems to be popular so it will be allowed to go on without having to make changes.

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Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

ConanThe3rd posted:

That but the re-tool is always into crap.

I can't think of one series that went from idea A to "Dragonball with X" without turning to poo poo.

You and I probably have different opinions, but I loved Medaka Box, and Reborn's transition was great until about half way through the Future arc. Where the author got Toyetic as hell.

My point is if they don't attempt the retool then they get canceled, so the Author can either accept the cancellation and work on something else, or they try and change things up and see if it sticks.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

The Devil Tesla posted:

Yea, they can just get fired from their jobs if they don't like it.

For real tho, it's really weird that you care so much about sales and business poo poo, it really should only matter if a manga is something you want to read or not. And fans have a right to be miffed a manga they like changes into something they don't, no matter what the reason. And if you want Jump to have a lot of interesting and good manga, a balanced approach that isn't only concerned with short term sales would mean we'd end up with more good manga.

Like, I'm not big into Jump but what I'm saying here is true no matter if you're talking about manga or any other pop culture thing.

If you want to talk to me about how bad the ranking system in Jump is, then I will be right there first in line, but in the end I realize that my opinion on the quality of a series means little to nothing, I'm in a foreign country, reading this poo poo for (mostly) free. If the targeted audience in Japan doesn't like the series and put money into it then obviously it's not going to last unless they find a way to make it appealing.


Like I loving loved Mx0, Oumadoki Zoo, and other various shortish series in Jump. But obviously not much of the targeted audience did. poo poo Mx0 only lasted as long as it did because of the fanservice the artist started to add in, as well as a tournament arc IIRC.


I can and often do hate the results, but completely understand why that decision was made. Like I ended up disliking everything after the Future arc in Reborn, but I will never hate on an artist or company that chooses to make money over do what is "artistically right". As I can't be so sure that I wouldn't make a similar decision if I were given that choice.

That even goes to American TV, where some of my favorite shows were canceled due to corporate and marketing bullshit. Like I loving loved Spectacular Spider-man but because of how the contract was written Marvel would have had to pay Sony a gently caress ton of money to keep that show going and it wasn't worth it to them.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

SatansBestBuddy posted:

Dude it's been two chapters. I can't think of a single tournament arc in any manga I've ever seen that's been super interesting in just two chapters. (bar One Piece and the exploits of Lucy)

I dunno, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Flame of Recca were good quickly

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
The demon world tournament was pretty loving great when Yusuke is just like gently caress this 3 world powers and politics thing. Lets have a tournament between everyone in loving demon world over who runs the place.

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Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Eh. I wouldn't say he's a villian. He's an rear end in a top hat but it's possible to be a selfish rear end in a top hat who wants to do good.

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