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It feels weird, this thread, for this season. It's like there's way more rape to talk about, but 100% less Aatrek. Just doesn't add up man.
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Reposting what I think we can all agree is the most correct statement about this season so far:Jamesman posted:Eugene owns.
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Jake Armitage posted:Pretty sure that didn't happen at the start of the apocalypse. Unless you think it took him a couple years to get from Texas to Georgia. Keep in mind, Eugene admitted that he's been sabotaging their progress at every turn.
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I thought it was a pretty good episode, better than last week's in fact! Everyone's got their own taste and all but I generally take all the mid-episode crying with a grain of salt since I can't help but think spending the entire episode live-posting while everyone's screaming "noooothing's haaaapppennniiiinnng!!" louder and louder like some kind of ADD echo-chamber has to take away from the enjoyment of it. At the very least you've got to admit you're losing something in the process of taking your eyes off the screen to type all that poo poo.
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We are not the same Walking Dead thread we were in the beginning. That thread and the posters in it went up in smoke in Season 2, replaced with hate-watching and sick owns about the farm and Shane wasting water and infinite-ammo shotguns. But even that thread was burned away eventually. Now all that's left is to try. Try to be better posters, in a better thread. And we do try, we try our damndest every single week... And then Beth starts singing. Mazzagatti2Hotty fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Nov 17, 2014 19:38
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Surlaw posted:I genuinely like it when Beth sings.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:46
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moist turtleneck posted:So who exactly made Darryl a man Bob, before he decided to lead everyone into a trap at Terminus. That's what the confrontation at the veterinary school was really about... do you think Daryl would give that smoky glare to just anyone carrying a bottle of Chardonnay in their backpack?
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I loved that they were constantly being hounded by zombies in Atlanta. Anytime they stopped for more than a minute or so, they had to deal with a large group pursuing them. It really drives home what Rick said in Season 2 on the radio to Morgan, that they city belongs to "them" now. I also liked that Noah wasn't just jetting to save his own rear end. He was willing to risk his own life to get the weapons he needed to try and rescue Beth on his own. PantsBandit posted:See I get where you're coming from but I think it just comes down to personal preference. Like, we knew Daryl would end up back at the camp and Carol would end up in the hospital but, personally, I wanted to see that story of how they got to that point. I didn't feel like it was a wasted episode just because technically the story didn't progress past what we've seen. I think I would've been more annoyed if they'd just glossed over the trip back to Atlanta. My thoughts exactly. I don't understand the seemingly common sentiment that "We didn't see any events that followed the previous end-of-episode cliffhangers" = "Nothing happened." Mazzagatti2Hotty fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Nov 18, 2014 15:59
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Party Plane Jones posted:The thing I wonder is how those people all managed to die together. How do 8 people end up dead still in sleeping bags and tents? You know this is a pretty out there theory I've got but I'm just gonna lay it all on the table: I think the bloody bullet-holes in the sleeping bags might have something to do with it.
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I really don't see how that episode was filler at all. Every scene barring the brief glimpses of Carol's past was directly relevant to the main plot thread of this half of the season. Filler would be more like they kill the zombies in the skybridge but wait! A living family is still trapped in one of the tents! And the daughter is diabetic but they're completely out of insulin and she will die if no one helps! So it's up to Carol and Daryl to go on a wacky adventure in the nearby walmart fighting their way past zombie store-greeters and redneck survivalist hoarders to get that girl's meds and diabeetus test strips before time runs out! "That Chris Rock lookin' kid said Beth is killing the poo poo out of the rape cops so we can spare a day, she would want us to save this chiiiiiiiiiiillllllldddd...."
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ActusRhesus posted:MY IMMERSION!!!!!!!! That will actually be addressed in the mid-season finale, after the group saves beth in the penultimate episode of the mid-season they go back through that neighborhood, and run into a Zombie wearing a big frilly bonnet and carrying one of those old-timey shephard's poles who is being followed by a multitude of gore-splattered goats. In a 50-minute long series of flashbacks we find out that the zombie used to be a champion goat-herder who loved nothing more than tending to his flock. While trying to escape from his over-run pasture the goat-herder is bitten, and knowing that he will soon turn but aware of the particulars of blood-cover from meeting Morgan along the way he decides to at least protect his precious companions by goring them all up, so that when he finally turns he will just think they're a bunch of zombie goats and he won't eat them. So he spends his days roaming the country-side in search of flesh while his disguised goats dutifully follow their master, clearing all the lawns in their path. In awe of the man's sacrifice, the group puts him out of his misery and gives him a tearful viking funeral, and as the flame-wreathed boat sinks into the water Daryl looks around and shruggingly says "Oh well, who wants mutton?" Mazzagatti2Hotty fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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CelticPredator posted:And nothing did happen in this episode. I'm sorry to say. You didn't learn anything you didn't already know. The plot ended exactly where it did a few weeks ago. That's a filler episode to me. You get some fun character bits, which is why I liked it...but like I said, what new thing did you learn about them? Carol is softening a little bit? Eh. Ehhh. We'll just have to agree to disagree, there. We learned exactly how Carol ends up in the hospital, exactly who is with Daryl and why they're back at the church, and how their chase of the Grady Memorial car went down. we found out that Noah wasn't simply running away to save his own rear end, but that he in fact is willing to put himself in even greater jeopardy in order to attempt a solo rescue mission. We found out more about Carol's backstory with Ed & Sophia, and we got some insight into what happened to her after the banishment from last season. We got some really cool character moments from both Carol and Daryl (Daryl taking care of the shelter walkers for her, Carol's willingness to kill Noah for taking their weapons, and then her turn-around on it to save Daryl from going down the same path.) We returned to the streets of Atlanta for the first time in four seasons. Finally, they've set up the conflict that will likely come to a head on the mid-season finale. That's pretty far from "nothing happening" for me. That fact that they showed little 5 second teasers that hinted at where Daryl and Carol are now doesn't make the episode showing how they got there filler. Dirk Squarejaw posted:How else would we have gotten discussions like : Oh trust me, I'm glad people do livepost exactly for those reasons. I was just explaining why I don't really put much stock into the average live-poster's opinions on the episode quality when they spend half the episode coming up with all that stuff. Mazzagatti2Hotty fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Nov 20, 2014 14:16
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SocketWrench posted:But you see, it didn't have just random run around shooty/stabby stuff constantly, so it wasn't good and thus was nothing but useless, empty filler. Nah, CelticPredator seems like a pretty good dude (his dislike of Clear notwithstanding) and made a pretty decent case for why he considered the episode to be filler, I just fundamentally disagree with how he defines it.
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Nov 20, 2014 15:45
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euphronius posted:TBF even Tyrese's actor thought he killed the guy. It was a pretty bizarre choice all around, especially since there was absolutely no conflict or payoff whatsoever that came from him still being alive. No one knew that he was the guy that Tyreese supposedly killed except Carol, and she wasn't there for the killing.
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Holy crap that was episode 7? That means next episode is the mid-season finale, I have no idea how they're going to resolve the hospital confrontation in time for the zombie goat-herder subplot. Over-all the episode wasn't bad, aside from Sasha being pants-shittingly retarded, but I agree with the posters who said they prefer the small-group focused eps.
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TMMadman posted:Except that Eugene isn't a man of science, he's just a liar. Now that the truth has set Eugene free, he can truly start to contribute to the group via the power of Reddit, trading with other survivors for drugs and child pornography as soon as he can get his mobile Bitcoin wallet up and running. In the meantime, he can drop some Redpill knowledge on Abe, whose flashbacks reflect an obvious need.
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I dug this episode. I was so sure that Carol was going to bite the bullet that Beth getting domed caught me completely off-guard. They subverted expectations of an all out war with the hospital too, which is good in my book. This is the first time a conflict between Rick's and a rival group ended with a peaceful (by comparison) resolution, and not literally everyone else from the opposing side dead. Also holy poo poo at Rick going dark. Running Lamson down, "we can't go back Bob, not from this", and that "Shut up" after blowing his brains out were ice-cold and pretty far removed from the Rick we used to know. If you think about it Lamson was 100% correct, he had no idea who these people were and had no reason to trust they wouldn't murder every single person in that hospital even if Dawn agreed to the deal. I love that the writers didn't try to excuse Rick's action at all with a "Lamson was really super evil all along!" moment. Interested to see where they go with Rick from here. I got the impression that with the deaths of Gorman, Jeffries, O'donnel, and Ellen Parsons from Damages the balance of power has shifted away from the remaining dirty cops, and there's a hope of a better living situation between the other cops and wards. Either way I hope we never see any of them again, and that their ultimate fate is left as an open question. At the end of the day I'm glad that the mission that drove our heroes for the second half of the mid-season ultimately ended in failure. Beth wasn't saved in the end, all they got out of it was a severely injured Carol and an already gimpy Noah. It reinforced the theme that there really is no "winning" in this world anymore, only varying degrees of heartbreak and bare-bones survival. Now that I'm caught up with the thread, the best post from last night is definitely: Aphrodite posted:Just save some time and put a sign with RAPE and an arrow pointing down above the elevator. Mazzagatti2Hotty fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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AndyElusive posted:Wait. I don't know for sure if that's what they were implying, but I definitely got the impression from Dawn that Noah was going to be punished severely for Beth's transgression, simply as an attempt to steal Beth's "victory" from her. Beth sacrificing herself for Noah's sake was the ultimate "gently caress you" to Dawn. Whether she was a rapist herself or not, she was most certainly responsible for allowing it to happen to Joan.
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MariusLecter posted:Everyone calling Beth dumb, if you were face to face with Hitler who demanded you hand over a Jew and you had a pair of scissors, can you say you wouldn't do the same? I don't think Beth's sacrifice was dumb at all, but I do agree with the criticism that stabbing Dawn in the face/neck/anyplace more effective would have worked better, especially since Daryl capped Dawn immediately afterwards removing the need for the stabbing to be non-fatal.
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Someone will use the word zombie in season 8 and it will literally be a former Cinema Discusso goon who notes how similar walkers are to the 1932 Bela Lugosi film "White Zombie". Conflict will arise when the goon attempts to convince Rick that he shouldn't kill walkers because they are obviously symbolic of the victimization caused by American colonialism.
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"I'm Rick Grimes, and I wanna offer you a deal. We have two of your people, you have two of ours. Even trade." "What happened to Lamson?" "He got attacked by the dead before we got here." "Then why are you wearing his body armor?" "What do you mean? This was mine. I told you I was a deputy!" "But you're wearing our uniform too." "Coincidence, our Sheriff liked blue." "The nametag says Lamson..." "Like I said, I'm Rick Lamson, and I'd like to offer you a deal."
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Actually, it was all about ethics in cannibal executions.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Beth proceeds to make Sasha look like a genius by stabbing a woman in the middle of a hostage exchange instead of just telling Rick not to leave without those people! "I simply can't believe that these incredibly traumatized, mentally broken people aren't making rational decisions! I mean it's not like severe PTSD has ever caused anyone to get killed in real life." Seriously though, Beth has seen the world literally end. Watched most of her family and friends die horrifically. Saw her father get his head chopped off with a samurai sword right in front of her by a megalomaniac two weeks ago, been enslaved, beaten, and threatened with rape, failed an escape attempt, then enslaved and beaten again. Oh and she was manipulated into murdering three people. She had one victory in her entire life, and that was helping Noah escape his captivity. And then, just when there's hope that everything will turn out ok, another megalomaniac on a bullshit ego-trip threatens to take that victory away from her and take Noah's freedom just to spite her. She wasn't coldly calculating that there would be a 73.2% chance of survival if she did this or less if she did that. She was lashing out in a rage. Viewers get so caught up in the fact that the characters aren't acting perfectly logically like we would in Goon Survival Simulator™ that we forget that these are fundamentally broken people we're dealing with. Mazzagatti2Hotty fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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In a universe parallel to our own the show telegraphs that scene with Beth screaming "Oh my God I am SO ENRAGED RIGHT NOW I swear to christ Dawn I am going to stab you with these scissors without even considering the consequences because I am LOSING MY poo poo!" And some goon rolls his eyes and posts "Ugh I can't believe the writers feel the need to spell everything out for us, do they think we're retarded?"
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Blazing Ownager posted:"Non-fatally stab an ego maniac when all my friends can get shot in a tense stand-off, despite the fact I have been behaving 100% rationally all season at all times." Yeah man you're right she was acting in a totally rational self-preservation manner when she was about to shank the only doctor in a hospital full of armed cops before seeing Carol wheeled in brought her back from the brink. LinkesAuge posted:Where was all her rage in the time at the hospital or ever before? I actually think goons tend to overestimate the rage/madness-factor in people. In reality people are actually AFRAID of dying and aren't just suicidal for stupid reasons even if their life is hell. Well there was the aborted doctor-shanking mentioned above. Her "send more cops" scene with Joan also comes to mind. But my point was that she's had all of this stress and emotional pressure building for a long time, which became especially intense in the last few days, and then reached a breaking point when it seemed like Noah was going to sacrifice himself for her and Dawn started gloating about it to her face. I don't think it was about being suicidal. Beth didn't cry out "Noah I give my life for youuuuuuuuu!" or anything. She just lashed out violently to Dawn purposely trying to piss her off immediately beforehand. She wasn't thinking that she'd get killed for what she was doing because she wasn't thinking at all.
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:So basically what you're saying here is that Beth has consistently made poor choices, put herself and/or her friends in life-threatening situations, and is an overall worthless character. Well I think it's fair to describe her as dead weight leading up to Season 5 being that she was introduced attempting suicide and all. I don't think her making bad decisions or being bad at surviving makes her a worthless character, since she's literally a child and it's good to balance out all the stone-cold badasses with someone who needs protection every now and then. Plus she made a lot of dumb people really really mad by singing and humming, which IMO makes it worth every penny Emily Kinney got paid for the role. Mazzagatti2Hotty fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:It wasn't another cop, it was Noah. Because he was protecting Dawn. Stockholm syndrome is a bitch!
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Irish Joe posted:I always forget Maggie has a stupid accent because she never talks. She's not nearly as bad as Daryl, who looks like he suddenly caught a severe case of the Down's when he cries.
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Brick Card posted:I'm sick of people defending bad writing by arguing "You don't know what they've been though, man I'm not saying the scene could not have been written or shot better. I even agreed earlier in the thread with the people who were saying that it would have made a lot more sense for Beth to go for a more lethal spot like the heart, face, neck, etc. I just think it's odd that people find Beth attacking Dawn so unrealistic after all the poo poo Dawn pulled, when just recently a former cop in my home state went to jail for shooting a polite, un-armed teenager multiple times for no reason other than the cop was a sadbrain PTSD Afghanistan war vet.
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Err yeah as a resident of South Carolina I can confirm that there is absolutely nothing in this state that resembles LA even remotely.
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dirksteadfast posted:It will not be a true LA zombie appcalypse without a lot of crowded freeways...I've never been to SC but I can't imagine they'd have the massive, weaving sprawl of freeways necessary to get the point across. I'll put it this way there was a lot of excitement recently when they underwent a project to add extra lanes to the interstate around the capital city. We went from four total lanes to six!
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Remy Marathe posted:But usually it's a lazy setting because they're already in LA, the lovely writers live in and know LA, etc. Going to South Carolina to imitate a post-apocalyptic LA seems kinda weird. I'm pretty sure the South Carolina thing was a joke. At least I don't remember reading that in the article we were discussing.
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