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This thread is about breaking all the rules to gain an unfair advantage over the squares that play honestly. I have permission from Cowcaster to make this thread What is hacking, cheating, botting and exploiting? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlm12rcMtBQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpAXQCf-wEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4zBx0cG3Ak Hacking and cheating generally involve downloading a 3rd party program that alters your game files in some way. It can do useful things like let you see through walls or even fly in games where everyone else has to walk. Botting is where you run programs to automate parts of the game. Bots are very complex these days. You can have them level a character for you. They can grind for rare drops. There are even bots that will have you use your abilities at the perfect times in the perfect order for max dps better than any human could do. Even Dota2 and LoL have a last hitting/deny bot. To some people, putting a heavy object on your keyboard to auto-run and keep your character from going AFK can be considered a bot. Exploiting is different, it involves abusing the game engine or the game's poor coding to do something not intended by the devs. An example could be pulling your ethernet cord in the middle of a trade to cause the items to dupe. Another common one in MMO's is to find a quest monster with an instant respawn timer and killing it repeatedly for loot and easy xp. I'm going to use the blanket term "cheating" when talking about any of the above activities. Is this safe? I cant speak for every country, but in the US its perfectly fine to modify any of the files on your computer however you want. You own your computer and everything on it.No individual players I am aware of have ever been targeted legally by a game company, only the cheat makers. It may not be illegal but it is against the ToS you agreed to when you signed up to play your game, which brings me to my next point. Why isnt everyone doing it then? That's because you may get banned from the game you are playing. People rightfully take offense when they encounter a cheater. Cheaters can do things that are frankly unfair and ruin the spirit of competition. That seems bad, why would anyone do it still? For me, its about money. Using cheats and bots let me farm up huge amounts of in game gold in various different games to sell to players that dont want to farm it themselves. Most recently I did it in Archeage to the tune of over $3000 in 1 month's time. Before that was Diablo 3 for much more money. My older brother bought a brand new car and paid his rent for a year with money from exploiting in Star Wars Galaxies when that game still hot. I'm interested, how can I become a dirty cheater? The most common way is to pay for them. The people making cheats work hard to constantly fight to stay ahead of the anti-cheat tech. If they werent profiting they wouldnt be doing it. If you find a cheat on Youtube with a link to a site that wants you to fill out some surveys, its not real. If it's free, its probably not very safe or good. A reputable site will have a public forum with a paid members only section. There will be 24hr live chat support and they will accept paypal. Good sites I have had success with are https://forum.aimjunkies.com/ http://hags-club.com/news/ http://www.artificialaiming.net/forum/index.php https://www.thebuddyforum.com/ http://www.mmoviper.com/ http://www.mmominion.com/portal.php These are not affiliate links, they are not paying me to promote them. On the sites you will often see something like this A list of the hacks they provide and their current status "Undetected" does not mean its undetecable, it means there are no bans reported with the most current version of the hack. Some basic Do's and Dont's for cheaters
Please feel free to ask any questions or share tales of bad things you have done. Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Cheating in single player games One of the easiest tools for doing this is called Cheat Engine Get it here http://www.cheatengine.org/downloads.php To use it, start up the game. In this example ill be playing borderlands the pre-sequel Once you are in game start up Cheat Engine Select File > Open process It will display a list of currently open processes like this Select the game you are playing (borderlands) Now its set to edit the values in the game, let's do my money As you can see my $ is currently at 248. Using cheat engine we are going to see where in the game the $ value is stored so we can change it to anything we want. First is to input the current value (248) into the "value" field like so and the hit First Scan you will get a list off all the things in the game currently showing a value of 248, not so helpful with this many possibilities Lets see about shortening that list We need to change our $ value in game so I'll buy something cheap and put it down to 222 Take that 222 and input to Cheat engine and hit Next Scan Much better, only 2 possible addresses this time. Ill repeat the process until it the amount of addresses stop going down and all thats left are the ones where my $ is stored. right-click the value right next to the addresses you found and select "Change value of selected addresses" and put in the amount you want. I did 100,000 Now in game I have $100,000 you can do things like god mode and infinite ammo very easily in the same way. Its very simple and can be done with just about every game and even some poorly coded multiplayer games If you are real lazy you can download files where someone has found all the values for you called Cheat Tables. They can be found in Cheat Engine's forums http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=546205a33ef7f66f75290bc11a675fa6 Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Notorious R.I.M. fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Now that it's far too late to make money off Diablo 3, I don't suppose anyone who made a solid bot for it wants to explain the methods they used? Even with a terrible homemade bot you could make money off Diablo 3 as long as you were willing to manually update the prices. From what I heard some people had taken it as far as gathering price data from the auction house and then using that to decide if items were underpriced rather than entering it in themselves. Alot of goons posted pictures of bot filled storage boxes so I assume most were relisting the items manually, did anyone reach the point where they were automatically pricing and relisting their items using a bot? edit If you're as interested in this as me, the last pages of the Diablo 3 item trading thread had tons of cool information goons posted just before the Auction house was removed from the game, trying to dig it up now. Delamore fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Delamore posted:Now that it's far too late to make money off Diablo 3, I don't suppose anyone who made a solid bot for it wants to explain the methods they used? its been quite some time since I played d3 so some details are off. There were 2 main ways i know people made tons of money on the game 1. a bot that bought low and sold high on the AH. These guys could have easily pulled 50k plus in a month. I got into it too late to make any money. A fully automated bot would be dangerous and abusable if other market barons caught on. As far as I know you had to manually relist. It could have been somewhat safe on very active markets like gems, but not the hundred dollar weapons. 2. a bot that ran the zone before the boss in act 3 on inferno. Its the zone with all the lava and those large mobs that are invis and teleport. You stacked gold find and gold pick up range items along with a 1k dps bow on the archer class. Thats the one I did from launch. The nice part about this one is that it scales up very well when you run multiple characters at once. It was very easy to sell gold on the AH. One time I left it on during a 3 day weekend while i was at vegas and came back to 1600.00 in gold. At the tail end of the crash in gold prices I could still make $75 every 12 hours of botting. The bot is long gone now, but I can dig up the name if you are interested in looking it up Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Great idea for a thread. Found this video with the wowglider creator incredibly interesting: Hacking MMORPGs for Fun and Mostly Profit at DEFCON 19
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Chunjee posted:Great idea for a thread. thats just a better version of my op. I loved glider, so easy to use and i got in early with the lifetime sub
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I've been interested in this kind of stuff for some time. I got my first taste of botting back in the heyday Diabo II:LoD, when pindlebot and maphack was a big deal. I have high hopes for this thread, since I'm mostly too lazy to figure out how this stuff works for myself.
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I think I might try my hand at this in the next MMO. Always nice to make a little money.
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Unforgiven posted:I've been interested in this kind of stuff for some time. I got my first taste of botting back in the heyday Diabo II:LoD, when pindlebot and maphack was a big deal. i get way too deep into it when nothing good gets released for a game and I have to do it myself. I was super guilty of it in world of tanks. The only okay bot at the time was tankleader. It was extremely bot like and not very good at gaining xp. I ended up writing tons of autoit scripts and supplemental tools to override functions of the bot. The majority of them are now in the current version and I highly recommend it. At one point I had every tank in the game unlocked and realized that I didnt even want to play, i would rather watch my bot play poorly. It getting 3 kills in a match was more exciting that me getting 9 kills. If anyone wants info on the state of hacks in current games, i would happy to dig it up and share. A good rule of thumb is, if its full of gold sellers, its a popular enough game and someone is making hacks for it.
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Path of Exile was a game a used bots for, mostly because grinding up a character in a new league was a massive pain in the rear end. Fauxtool do you every switch up for VPN or other stuff for bans? I know i got hit with Poe because they blocked my IP
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Fauxtool posted:I cant speak for every country, but in the US its perfectly legal to modify any of the files on your computer however you want. I thought that the US was one of the few places in the world where this wasn't the case due to recent laws and provisions, e.g. the DMCA; or the lack of consumer protections against EULAs (unlike most of Europe, for example). Can you explain this statement a little further? Is there some precedent to back it up?
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This is actually some pretty interesting reading. I remember talking to a few members of CCP's security team some 6-8 months ago, where they said that some cheaters/RMT launderers in Turkey were making upwards of 1M USD a year by doing stuff like this. They went after them and shut them down supposedly, but the market has to be insane in some games to support an economy like that.
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..btt posted:I thought that the US was one of the few places in the world where this wasn't the case due to recent laws and provisions, e.g. the DMCA; or the lack of consumer protections against EULAs (unlike most of Europe, for example). Can you explain this statement a little further? Is there some precedent to back it up? Not exactly what you are looking for, but the wowglider case is relevant. Blizzard tried to say they retained ownership of their code when in your memory. They sued glider on the basis that they were modifying Blizzard files while in your memory and selling them as their own product. Thats not at all what glider was doing and Blizzard knew they had no case so they dragged it out until glider ran out of money and couldnt fight anymore and shut down the service. All glider did was read the relevant numbers like location and hp and input commands like skills that their servers would normally receive from players. Nothing was modified, just added to. The majority of hacking sites are based in the US and Russia, not just because American love to cheat See also, the legality of modifying your smartphone as they are starting to be classified as computers. Apple unsuccessfully tried to fight consumer's right to jailbreak their phones. There's not a lot of precedent because glider is one of the only ones to be successfully shut down. Most hacking site have a disclaimer that hacking is against the ToA and you will get banned for it. That puts the responsibility on the consumer and there is no way the game companies are going to sue individuals unless they manage to single handedly ruin the game somehow. Gold sellers are great for games. They are my #1 indicator of a healthy game. If a game has no sellers, it probably has a terrible economy and a low population. The hate they get from players in unwarranted in most cases. Its a full time job with terrible pay, and they are just trying to make a living. Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Fauxtool posted:Gold sellers are great for games. They are my #1 indicator of a healthy game. If a game has no sellers, it probably has a terrible economy and a low population. The hate they get from players in unwarranted in most cases. Its a full time job with terrible pay, and they are just trying to make a living. Yeah, if there are no gold sellers game is dead. Also it's not so much the selling, not gonna buy fake gold but whatever floats your boat, have at it. It's the part where they make chat channels unusable because they spam their poo poo every second. Honestly as long as they're no detriment to me I don't give a gently caress.
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Fauxtool posted:At one point I had every tank in the game unlocked and realized that I didnt even want to play, i would rather watch my bot play poorly. It getting 3 kills in a match was more exciting that me getting 9 kills. Optimizing the automation starts to surpass the amount of fun of actually playing. I imagine if you get money into the mix; you stop thinking about playing all together
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Morglon posted:Yeah, if there are no gold sellers game is dead. Also it's not so much the selling, not gonna buy fake gold but whatever floats your boat, have at it. It's the part where they make chat channels unusable because they spam their poo poo every second. Honestly as long as they're no detriment to me I don't give a gently caress. thats super annoying, but on the game devs to fix. Its the same problem as someone spamming curse words on every chat. If they cant fix that, they cant fix the gold spam. Most games have spam protection. Only total clusterfucks like archeage dont.
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Oh, ok. I remembered Blizzard "winning" that case but I never followed the details. Still, I'm fairly sure your statement isn't strictly true, not that it would ever make sense to prosecute an individual hacker rather than whoever made/distributed the tools. Especially in a non-F2P MMO where you can just ban them and get them to buy/steal another account - more revenue for them. Have you ever got in hot water trying to offload ill-gotten virtual items? I imagine it'd be fairly trivial for a game developer to run sting operations to get account details. Mind you, most companies don't really seem to care beyond saving face.
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Chunjee posted:Optimizing the automation starts to surpass the amount of fun of actually playing. I imagine if you get money into the mix; you stop thinking about playing all together After many weeks of terrible results in ffxiv pvp arena I managed to fine tune the mmominion bot to be far better than an actual player. It had instant CC breaks like it never even got hit and a perfect dps rotation that could burst down most players before the healer even noticed. It had perfect target priorities too, switching targets whenever someone dropped below 50% hp. In the early weeks I got hate mail from players because my botting ruined their matches and caused lots of losses. Once I tuned it, those same players were telling me that they were glad I finally decided to stop botting and I was actually really good. Even though I never stopped Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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..btt posted:Oh, ok. I remembered Blizzard "winning" that case but I never followed the details. Still, I'm fairly sure your statement isn't strictly true, not that it would ever make sense to prosecute an individual hacker rather than whoever made/distributed the tools. Especially in a non-F2P MMO where you can just ban them and get them to buy/steal another account - more revenue for them. its the american legal system, nothing can be truly 100% legal or illegal when meanings of things are so fluid. I have never heard of legal action being directed at any individual players. I should probably change the OP to use "safe" instead of "illegal" If they are really looking hard you cant hide. Just dont be the worst offender and they will always be looking for someone else. Its generally pretty easy to launder money in games as long as there is an auction house. The gold buyer lists a common item at the amount of gold they are buying and you buy it. Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Based on the only few cases game companies have actually brought to court the general rule of thumb is to make sure you're not doing anything that is making a lot of money or pissing a lot of players off. It's not worth a companies time to go after an individual selling a couple thousand dollars worth.Fauxtool posted:Just dont be the worst offender and they will always be looking for someone else. I suppose the biggest secret that maybe Fauxtool won't be willing to share is how to find customers to buy your gold/items/etc. Also curious why this thread is in public games instead of PGS. puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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wait there's people who will pay for cheats? like is there that much of a quality gap between free cheats and paid cheats?
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Extra posted:Based on the only few cases game companies have actually brought to court the general rule of thumb is to make sure you're not doing anything that is making a lot of money or pissing a lot of players off. I sold on ebay for SWG, and on these forums and playerauctions for every other game. I get a lot of business on SA because they would rather buy from me than a chinaman. The private cheat forums are also a good place to buy and sell virtual goods. The same people willing to spend money on hacks are often terrible at it but still want to pay money to get a leg up. Its in general games because there is nothing to hide and no one would see it in PGS.
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CharlestonJew posted:wait there's people who will pay for cheats? like is there that much of a quality gap between free cheats and paid cheats? Back in the BC era WoWGlider was the best thing since sliced bread and the free stuff didn't even come close. You could run quite a few clients at the same time all botting up characters basically acting like perfect little players. They would respond to tells, head to vendors, make random variations in their patrol paths, etc. I suppose the biggest factor in making a solid bot is being able to identify/decode addresses/packets the server is sending your game client and basing the bot on those. There are some AHK/AutoIt wizards out there but those programs seem to only do so much. This thread is neat because I'm going to spend some time figuring out how the image recognition works on AHK. puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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CharlestonJew posted:wait there's people who will pay for cheats? like is there that much of a quality gap between free cheats and paid cheats? The paid ones dont steal your financial info since you are willingly paying them already. Nobody makes quality free stuff anymore except as a stripped down trial version to get you interested in the paid one. Look up videos for honor buddy if you want to see the quality of paid stuff. No complex setup, just input your class and which pvp you want to Q for and then come back tomorrow for tons of free honor. Right now on aimjunkies there are over 50,000 premium members registered. Those are people paying $9-$25 monthly. Its serious business. This one was just released for LoL. Aint no one gonna write that kind of code for free. Orbwalking Lane freeze mode: automatically last hit any minions, while ignoring enemy champions Mixed mode: same as lane freeze, but will poke any enemy champions that come in range Lane clear mode: pushes the lane by last hitting minions but also continuously attacks Carry mode: used for fights against enemy champions, will auto attack and execute combo on best target(s) Keys: set different toggle keys for each mode Customizable: implement your own combo for each champion via Lua scripting Callbacks: implement your own callbacks for each stage of the orbwalking logic via Lua scripting Autocaster Auto ignite: uses ignite on any enemy champions that are low enough to be killed by it Auto smite: uses smite on jungle monsters, you can filter which ones you want to smite in the menu Auto heal: uses heal spell when you reach a percentage of health specified in the menu Auto barrier: uses barrier spell when you reach a percentage of health specified in the menu Auto clarity: uses clarity spell when you reach a percentage of mana specified in the menu Auto potions: uses health / mana potions when you reach a percentage of health / mana specified in the menu Keys: set different toggle keys for ignite and smite Scripting Lua: access to engine API to write custom features via Lua scripting Manager: ability to manage all your scripts from the menu by seeing what scripts are available, loading new scripts, unloading running scripts, and more Callbacks: implement an array of callbacks such as OnProcessSpell, OnSendPacket, OnReceivePacket, OnGameUpdate, and more Upcoming Features Auto evade: automatically avoid enemy skill shots if possible Collision: visibility checks for proper skill shot logic and similar things Awareness: show all enemy champion ranges and cooldowns, warn you when someone is trying to gank, and more Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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dang. I can understand paying for cheats in an MMO where you'll probably make a profit off it, but I can't really understand paying money so a bot can headshot dudes in call of duty for you.
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When protracted linear progression is so intrinsic to games these days it's natural people with more money and less free time will turn to software to do it for them so they can enjoy the fruits of progression with their pals later on.
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CharlestonJew posted:dang. I can understand paying for cheats in an MMO where you'll probably make a profit off it, but I can't really understand paying money so a bot can headshot dudes in call of duty for you. because they are mentally deficient and it makes them feel big. People cheat in sports too and its not just for the money. Winning is still winning to a lot of people even if they cheated.
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PC Gamer actually did a great article on the business-side of this a while back: http://www.pcgamer.com/hacks-an-investigation-into-aimbot-dealers-wallhack-users-and-the-million-dollar-business-of-video-game-cheating/
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Extra posted:When protracted linear progression is so intrinsic to games these days it's natural people with more money and less free time will turn to software to do it for them so they can enjoy the fruits of progression with their pals later on. Yeah, they've been observing that since... poo poo, at least since that guy bought a castle on a UO production shard for a few grand. Big, messy can of worms.
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The latest Call of Duty already has players hacking themselves into walls and floors so they can be invincible. I used to sort-of bot eve. I had a looping macro that would tab between two overlapping windows and automatically retarget and refire my guns every few seconds. When the target died the target overview would change and I'd automatically lock and start firing on the next target. I also had another program that watched the local chat windows for unfriendly players and sound an alarm when they were in the same solar system. I would read, work on my laptop, or clean while my characters farmed. It was less efficient than real bots, but it was free!
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Delamore posted:Now that it's far too late to make money off Diablo 3, I don't suppose anyone who made a solid bot for it wants to explain the methods they used? I had no coding experience or anything and just used autohotkey to bot the d3 auction house for the first few weeks after the game launched. I'd target valuable uniques with low level requirements or ideal rares that were consistently listed for like 1% of their true value. At first I just did it to gear out my barb to the point where I could carry other goons through all the inferno bosses but then I started flipping stuff too. I never got to the point of relisting things automatically but I did purchase several accounts so I could sell more things faster. If my internet connection wasn't so terrible I would've run multiple AHK scripts and made serious money but I still ended up with around $5k after the first month when bliz finally started cracking down and too many other people had started running scripts/bots. I haven't played the game at all since then and I ended up spending like 10x more time in the AH than the game itself. One huge global AH with a playerbase the size of D3 was like the perfect storm of auction house shenanigans, unfortunately I doubt anything else will ever be nearly that amazing.
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I don't see the point in cheats when all that's at stake is your e-peen, and that counts for winning a competition with a cash prize too. Now, exploiting to get ingame resources that you then make real cash off? I can't really get all that mad about that. I'm pretty sure a lot of crafting in FF14 simply wouldn't happen without bots going around doing things. And besides, the way most MMOs work the progression part of it is boring as poo poo. You do the same thing, EXACTLY the same thing, over and over and over again so you can move on and do the same thing in a different place. The fun comes from PvP and doing cool things with your friends, so it's no surprise that people want to just skip to that part, whether that means botting themselves or buying cheap resources supplied by botters.
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This thread loving rules.
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Yeah I'd be really interested in discussions on the business and technical side of this stuff; Fauxtool, are you acquainted with any coders that could talk about some of the basics of what they do to evaluate their tools? Even though I've been programming for over 10 years, packet analysis is still kind of a big mystery to me and it'd be really interesting to hear what people who work with it regularly have to say on the matter.
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CharlestonJew posted:dang. I can understand paying for cheats in an MMO where you'll probably make a profit off it, but I can't really understand paying money so a bot can headshot dudes in call of duty for you. I used to aimbot and wallhack in MW2 and Black Ops. People got extremely angry and it was just really entertaining to see people get really mad at a video game they can disconnect from at any time. As a software developer though it's always interesting to see how people figure out these things. I also used to bot in WoW, because gently caress leveling up a new character to max level nowadays.
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Fauxtool posted:Gold sellers are great for games. They are my #1 indicator of a healthy game. If a game has no sellers, it probably has a terrible economy and a low population. The hate they get from players in unwarranted in most cases. Its a full time job with terrible pay, and they are just trying to make a living. I don't think thats necessarily the case everytime. DFO got shut down (for reportedly low numbers) and had nothing but gold bots/sellers and had a terrible economy because of said bots. Thought thats probably because Nexon didn't even crack down on bots. They could do dungeons in under a minute for 24/7 a month straight and not get banned.
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It's pretty fun to hack up perfectly bred Pokemon with all the right stats and moves because that poo poo literally takes hundreds of hours otherwise. And you can only use stuff which is legal anyways so
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A lot of people will decry cheating or the RMT market, but so many people spend money there to make it profitable that it is kinda hard to say most players hate it. The market is really that large. One of the non RMT cheats that I always found funny was for planetside 2. I think it was just cheat engine. But if anyone came near you, like gun range near you, it would move your cursor directly to their head. You also knew if people were targeting your head with this cheat, so someone I know had paid for it and started moving around. It is amazing how many people are using the cheat because of all of the head shot warnings he would get when he entered an area.
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Coolguye posted:Yeah I'd be really interested in discussions on the business and technical side of this stuff; Fauxtool, are you acquainted with any coders that could talk about some of the basics of what they do to evaluate their tools? Even though I've been programming for over 10 years, packet analysis is still kind of a big mystery to me and it'd be really interesting to hear what people who work with it regularly have to say on the matter. Yea I'm interested in the technical side as well. Fauxtool I remember you talking about bypassing hackshield, was that just using a tool from one of these sites or something you put together?
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