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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

Oh, so they are basing it closely on Aliens :v:

More of a mash up of the original planned ending of Alien and William Gibson's Alien 3 script draft.

:goonsay:

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Jun 23, 2003

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DoctorWhat posted:

No one but this thread seems to realize how rubbish Lidster is. :smith:

Anyone I've met that's a Who fan has had no time for him. Although most seem to hate Chris Chibnall more.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Stuporstar posted:

Hmm, that was one of the few I liked.


Oh ... so this could go either way then.


No, it's not just his utter garbage in Torchwood. He was also responsible for Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and that bullshit with the little black boxes that really showed how Chibnall just doesn't get how to put together a loving story. The Silurian two-parter and 42 weren't his worst, but they were also loving dull for the most part. Rory's death scene was undoubtedly written in by Moffat to fill out the story arc, so he probably doesn't deserve credit for that either.

Also, at least one of his episodes of Life in Mars was the only one I wanted to spin through because it was so loving dreary, and I didn't even realize he wrote it until afterwards where I said to myself, "Who the gently caress wrote that boring shite," took a look at the credits, and went. "Oh."

When he's at his best, he's merely deadly dull. When he's at his worst, he's offensively bad. He is a Bad. Writer.

I think he wrote the Life on Mars where the guy in police custody ends up dead by Ray force feeding him drugs. Which was, if I recall, managed to fail on matching the tone of the rest of the series and on sticking to any sort of characterisation that was already laid out.

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Watched this at the cinema with my then three year old son. Me and my wife were in floods of tears while he was going "What's wrong mummy and daddy, the toys are happy!"

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Jun 23, 2003

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I've just started listening to Rat Trap, and every character is introducing themselves by name and providing their backstory without anyone even asking.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Astroman posted:

Rat Trap sucks. Seriously. A rare low point in a string of great 5/Tegan/Nyssa/Turlough audios.

I really liked Heroes of Sontar, mostly because Turlough being a cowardly craven arse is always great. But yeah, I've no interest in the rest of Rat Trap. Seriously, three people in a row just up and introducing themselves after encountering the Doctor and friends in some supposedly abandoned tunnels is really weird and forced. I mean, it's bad enough when characters refer to each other by name for no other reason than to tell the listener their name, when they're going "I'm John and I'm president of the guild of exposition givers" it's pretty appalling.

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Jun 23, 2003

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DoctorWhat posted:

Oh my god, thank goodness! Thank USPIS!

Well NOW I want to see the doctor team up with Jack Danger.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Box of Bunnies posted:

I don't think they played Dalek serials in that run because they didn't want to go through the extra hoops of dealing with the Nation estate. I remember that being the case because stumbling upon that marathon early in Colin's run was my introduction to the series and I didn't see Revelation of the Daleks until I got it on DVD for Christmas that year since it wasn't played on telly.

It's a wonder I stuck around when the first thing I ever saw of the show was the back end of Attack of the Cybermen.

I've said it before, but it bears saying again - my first Who memory is of Terror of the Vervoids. It's a wonder ANYONE that got into Who in the mid 80s hung around.

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Jun 23, 2003

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docbeard posted:

She did at least write some of Torchwood's better episodes (which is to say, the ones that haven't since been banned by the Geneva Convention.)

This is what's meant by torchwood being "beyond the United Nations".

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Jun 23, 2003

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CobiWann posted:

I'd recommend it, but only if it's on sale. Then again, I'd recommend anything I rank a "2" or above if it's on sale. Even Timelash.

Edit - By the way, this might be of interest to the thread...

http://www.bbcshop.com/preorders/good-omens-audio-cd/invt/9781910281918

See, now I'm just wondering how the hell Serafinowicz has never done a big finish.

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Jun 23, 2003

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CobiWann posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emh75AYxnzk

Apparently he's too busy doing the shipping forecast.

I wish I could find the Anthony Hopkins letters he narrates from the old Lee and Herring radio one shows. Unfortunately all I can find is the Mark Gatiss narrated TV version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3PYp7X_SNg

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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The good news is that one of the lost stories has Alex MacQueen in it. The bad news is it's not as who you might want him to be playing.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Or Neil's Dad.

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Davros1 posted:

The first series of The Lost Stories (the first 8 with Colin), are crap, except for Leviathan and maybe The Song of Megaptera. After that they get better. The Fourth Doctor Box and the three Fifth Doctor ones are probably the best, along with the First's Farewell, Great Macedon.

It's sort of funny that the scrapped serials were nearly all as bad or worse than the dross that made up Trial of a Timelord.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

I liked The Beast Below more than The Eleventh Hour, except (or perhaps because of) the Star Wars style wipes all the way through.

Beast Below is great, but I think Eleventh Hour edges it out for me by dint of the rooftop scene. It absolutely nails everything I like about Who, and completely seals Smith in the role.

Star Wars wipes are sweet though.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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The best bit in Fang Rock for me is when the doctor declares there's something on the island that may very well kill them all, but does so with a big, wide eyed grin. It's a very Four moment.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Bicyclops posted:

It's a coincidence that everyone was just talking about Valhalla because I just finished it last week. I agree that it wasn't particularly good. It felt a bit drawn out. I think Frozen Time is the better of the two "Sylvester McCoy without a companion, purely because he asked Nick Briggs for it while Nick was interviewing him that one time" stories. Not that it's fantastic, but Valhalla is either boring or unpleasant, depending on which part of it you're hearing.

Frozen Time is pretty good, but are you not counting Robophobia as a "Sly without companion" audio? Because that one's pretty great.

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DoctorWhat posted:

Robophobia is part of a trilogy of non-companion audios released about 4 years after Valhalla and Frozen Time.

Also Liv Chenka's a weird case.

Yeah, I was aware, it was just the statement that Frozen Time was the best non-companion audio that made me ask the question. I know there was a gap between them. And yeah, it's part of a trilogy of audios that you could argue aren't technically non companion ones because SPOILERS.

Bicyclops posted:

I haven't gotten nearly as far as Robophobia, yet but with both Frozen Time and Valhalla, it's just kind of funny. Nicholas Briggs was asking Sylvester McCoy perfectly normal interview questions about working in the medium, and McCoy had this hilarious tangent answer about he had never really been in one in which he was alone, and that the writers should work on that. He suggested that the writers should do one based around a silent movie in which he meets Buster Keaton. It was like right after the interview that they gave McCoy two stories without a companion (except for the traditional, one-off sorts that come with those kinds of stories).

A TV version of Seven meeting Keaton would doubtless be a lot of fun, but I can't see it necessarily being a good audio...

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Jun 23, 2003

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Bicyclops posted:

His other idea involved ventriloquism :v: He's a wily one, is McCoy.

I just wish there were copies somewhere of his mentor Ken Campbell's screen tests for Who.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Bicyclops posted:

House of Leaves is an interesting thing that I hesitate to call a novel. It's a horror art book thing. I enjoyed it a lot.

I have also been enjoying 100. I've heard the first two stories so far (100 BC and My Own Private Wolfgang), and your mileage is going to vary, because they are both complete and utter farces, which, as we know, tend to be very love or hate it in Doctor Who and in Big Finish in particular. But I laughed out loud while I was walking to my friend's place yesterday listening to 100 BC and the ending of the Wolfgang story is so screwball, I want to see an elaborate staged version with a bunch of brothers playing the roles.

Plus it was nice to hear Evelyn again after such a long absence and Colin really seems to enjoy working with her.

Don't worry, you'll get to Bedtime Story next, which is by Joe Lidster and is therefore misery piled upon misery.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Bicyclops posted:

Shearman followed by Lidster? Jesus Christ. That's like going to a broadway production in which the encore is a high school play.

And the final one is by Paul Cornell. ENJOY YOUR ENTERTAINMENT WHIPLASH

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Bicyclops posted:

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with Joe Lidster? The one he wrote for 100 was an okay if run-of-the-mill story until the very end, when the frame story was revealed to have been the villain, who was back to put an entire family in sensory deprivation hell, revealing that the Doctor's efforts had been for nothing and he had tricked him. I'd chalk it up to an attempt at a cheesy, italicized Lovecraft ending if it weren't for the fact that Lidster is needlessly depressing in seven other different ways in prior stories.

Yup. He loves his miseryporn. He always, always wants to be writing the story where the doctor doesn't get to win. I loving LOATHED Bedtime Story because of that "lol, surprise" ending. It's even worse because it's surrounded by all the other 100 stories, and doesn't fit properly with them at all. I think I'd rather listen to one of the Forge based audios than Lidster's stuff.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Jerusalem posted:

Jesus Christ, THAT bad?

You've heard The Rapture and Terror Firma by now, right? Actually I just checked and you reviewed the latter but not the former.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Actually Lazarus is pretty terrible too. What's the last one called again, Destiny? That was a bit better by dint of it having Hex in it.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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You'd better make it like Wookiepedia and have literally every possible word linked to an article. Did you want to know how breasts work in the Star Wars universe? Or exactly when someone mentioned hot chocolate? Then visit Wookiepedia!

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Jun 23, 2003

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Pesky Splinter posted:

You're forgetting, [x] Doctor regenerating, Hurt Doctor, the Doctors kissing anyone, Peter Capaldi being old (no more sexy Eccleston/Tennant/Smith delete as applicable :qq:), too many Daleks, not enough Daleks, too many gays, the Master being a woman!, the reboot not being like the old series, the old series not being like the reboot, being too silly, too serious oh god my brain's just melted...

Let's not forget "reasons that Missy wasn't actually the master at all because I DONT WANT IT TO HAVE BEEN".

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Jun 23, 2003

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The_Doctor posted:

Don't worry, it's still David Oleyowo.

He came after Paterson Joseph, right?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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DoctorWhat posted:

Grover Cleaveland was the Doctor for two non-consecutive terms.

Nah, that was Tom.

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Jun 23, 2003

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josh04 posted:

@DoctorWhat - In place of 'suspension of disbelief', I think there's an observable phenomenon where once a person has decided something is not-good, they keep enjoying things by getting angry and funny about them. Think Red Letter Media reviews, but partly subconscious. Really hating something can be loads of fun, as I know because ITV showed 'The Man with the Golden Gun' earlier and holy poo poo.



If you're bagging on a movie that opens with Christopher Lee bellowing "Nick Nack! TABASCO!" at the top of his lungs, I don't even know what to tell you. Also, has Christopher Lee done Who yet? Because it seems like he should have.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Burkion posted:

Basically DoctorWhat, imagine if we had a tense Doctor Who episode where the Doctor could do a number of things supported by the story, but instead, to save the day, he just starts flying around without any build up and then turns all of the bad guys into puppies with the power of SCIENCE LOVE.

That's the kind of writing you invite when you go down this path, utter and completely nonsensical trite.

Isn't this the climax of Last Of The Time Lords? Aside from the puppies.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Pesky Splinter posted:

drat, the finale of the Eighth Doctor Adventures is depressing. :smith:

Don't worry, now you can move on to the Dark Eyes sets, those are smashing and uplifting!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I'm in the middle of Dark Eyes 3 - man, Alex McQueen loving rules as the Master (are we still spoiling this one? I kinda don't want to ruin UNIT: Dominion for anyone that hasn't head it yet despite it being two years old at this point). If we could have a multi Master story with him and Michelle Gomez it'd be hilarious. .

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I'm pretty sure it's Graeme Garden that plays that spoilered character and not Jim Broadbent. Man, broadbent would be great.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Pesky Splinter posted:

Huh, you're right. Put it down to not reading the cast list.

I'd put my recognition of him down to listening to far too much Radio 4 over the years.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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RTD could have written a female doctor. I mean, he sort of already did in Dark Season.

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Jun 23, 2003

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After The War posted:

Good God, The Wishing Beast is awful, even for a Paul Magrs story. Isn't it a crime in the UK to waste Jean Marsh? And if not, why not?

Thanks for reminding me that it exists. Urgh.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Holy poo poo, Primeval managed five seasons. I was sure that thing pulled a Bonekickers and disappeared almost immediately.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Barry Foster posted:

Awesome. The Big Finish Sixth Doctor is practically a different character to the one on telly, and he deserves the opportunity to not go out like a chump.

It'll no doubt require ultra convoluted twonkery to somehow fit this in with his on-screen regeneration, but I don't really care about that. I just wanna hear C-Bakes, the best audio doctor, do his thing.

I'm glad they're doing this but I would probably enjoy it just as much if it's a big unrelated adventure that ends with him slipping on a banana peelpiece of carrot, windmilling his arms and then cracking his skull on the console.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Emerson Cod posted:

I hope 6 regenerates to 7 partway through the story but has to disguise himself as 6.

Honestly, a couple of episodes with McCoy in the coat and that big wig would be great.

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Jun 23, 2003

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Davros1 posted:

With a Lego Who game, based on my experience with other Lego games, I could see them doing something like giving each Doctor and companions abilities that are unique to certain characters. For instance:

The Second Doctor would use his recorder to play notes to break glass.
The Fourth Doctor could use his scarf as a rope
The Seventh Doctor could use his umbrella to hang glide.

And for the Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eighth, Nine, Ten, Eleven, and Twelve, each one's sonic screwdriver could only perform certain tasks (kind of like the spells used in the Harry Potter games)

Companions:

Victoria's scream could shatter glass
Ace would have Nitro-9 to blow up silver objects
Zoe, Romana One and Two, and Nyssa would be able to solve certain puzzles that the others couldn't
K9 could use his snout laser to destroy gold objects
Leela could throw her knife at targets
The Brig would have his pistol
Amelia Pond (not technically a companion, but she was in enough episodes to be in the game) would be able to crawl through small access tunnels.
Kamelion would do gently caress all

You could have vehicle stages like driving Bessie, flying the TARDIS through the Time Vortex, or flying a Dalek through space.

There's a lot of potential.

Kamelion would cause enemies to go literally anywhere except for where he was. If you put him on a trolley and push him around it clears the way.

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