veedubfreak posted:

I think the issue is mostly that you have to bring lawyers into a situation where your insurance should cover the issue. Lawyers and politicians both have a special place in hell.

trickybiscuits posted:

Mich. woman who shot at fleeing shoplifters is charged with reckless use of a handgun

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

How is this not attempted murder?

mind the walrus posted:

I'm very tempted to say "heat up his coffee."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnIe4mm6CTg

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

How is this not attempted murder?

Phanatic posted:

Because that requires an attempt to kill someone. You'd need to prove intent to kill, that's not apparent here and if you charge her with that she's going to walk.

This isn't attempted murder either:

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/13/mommy_am_i_gonna_die_cop_shoots_4_year_old_after_aiming_for_family_dog_when_injured_mom_called_911_for_help/

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

How is this not attempted murder?

Phanatic posted:

Because that requires an attempt to kill someone. You'd need to prove intent to kill, that's not apparent here and if you charge her with that she's going to walk.

This isn't attempted murder either:

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/13/mommy_am_i_gonna_die_cop_shoots_4_year_old_after_aiming_for_family_dog_when_injured_mom_called_911_for_help/

dpack_1 posted:

Get your poo poo together America, you are a loving laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world.

captainOrbital posted:

It's attempted manslaughter.

KoRMaK posted:

I don't think you can attempt manslaughter. Manslaughter is like, when you accidentally kill someone.

dpack_1 posted:

I'm not one for sharing anything on Facebook really, but that story is just insane, admittedly i've not corroborated any further sources, but there's no reason to not believe this kinda poo poo happens.

I dont even understand why cops showed up when a 911 call was diverted to ambulance services, but what the gently caress, just christ.

Get your poo poo together America, you are a loving laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world.

KoRMaK posted:

I don't think you can attempt manslaughter. Manslaughter is like, when you accidentally kill someone.

KoRMaK posted:

I don't think you can attempt manslaughter. Manslaughter is like, when you accidentally kill someone.

Wanamingo posted:

https://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/500/603.html

Took me all of 30 seconds to find.

captainOrbital posted:

That sounds like attempted murder to me, especially with the whole "the defendant attempted to kill that person" line.

I was more thinking along the lines of intentionally creating a situation in which you could accidentally cause people to die.

captainOrbital posted:

That sounds like attempted murder to me, especially with the whole "the defendant attempted to kill that person" line.

I was more thinking along the lines of intentionally creating a situation in which you could accidentally cause people to die.

quote:

Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being in which the offender had no prior intent to kill and acted during "the heat of passion", under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed. In the Uniform Crime Reports prepared by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, it is referred to as non negligent manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter is one of two main types of manslaughter, the other being involuntary manslaughter.

Wanamingo posted:

Again, not difficult to look up.

captainOrbital posted:

The very page you linked indicated:

1. The defendant took at least one direct but ineffective step toward killing a person;

2. The defendant intended to kill that person;

3. The defendant attempted the killing because (he/she) was provoked;

All of those state that the defendant attempted to kill someone. Sounds like attempted murder to me. As a graphic designer AND a father...

BrianBoitano posted:

Buckle up for this one, kids. It's story time.

Meet Whitney Beall, a 23-year-old user of Periscope:

dpack_1 posted:

I'm not one for sharing anything on Facebook really, but that story is just insane, admittedly i've not corroborated any further sources, but there's no reason to not believe this kinda poo poo happens.

I dont even understand why cops showed up when a 911 call was diverted to ambulance services, but what the gently caress, just christ.

Get your poo poo together America, you are a loving laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world.

Wanamingo posted:

The difference between murder and manslaughter is forethought and intent. If you catch your spouse cheating on you then fly into a rage and kill the two of them with your gun you always carry, then it's voluntary manslaughter. If you fly into a rage, but then leave to get your gun from the safe before returning and killing them, it's first degree murder. In the first scenario you acted without thinking, in the second one you had time to cool down and make a conscientious decision about what you wanted to do. In this specific case, it's decided because the lady was thinking "I'm going to stop the bad guy" and not "I'm going to kill him for robbing that store".

Carbon dioxide posted:

In my country, "attempted manslaughter" is certainly a thing people get punished for. My language's wikipedia has an example of someone throwing bricks off a bridge onto a busy highway. People doing that don't intend to kill anyone, but they should realize that a falling brick hitting a car could easily lead to someone dying. So if there's no intent of murder, and in this case luckily nobody actually died, what is the brick thrower guilty of? Attempted manslaughter, because they did a possibly deadly thing without thinking, while they should've realized it could've been deadly.

Wanamingo posted:

Yep, that's pretty much how it works in America.

Though after thinking about it, the woman probably would have been guilty of second degree murder just because she wasn't directly involved in the robbery.

Apogee15 posted:

Coffee is meant to be brewed at ~200 degrees F. Most coffee is served at higher temperatures than Mcdonald's coffe, and the Specialty Coffee Association recommends improving the "packaging" rather than lowering the temperature. Mcdonalds did not change the temperature of their coffee. Lawsuits for coffee being too hot and causing burns still happen, and the vast majority of those cases are thrown out by judges before they get to a jury.


Basically it was one high profile fluke case that got awarded damages by a jury(but was in appeals when they settled out of court for less than the awarded amount). The only reason for the awarded damages was they thought there should have been more of a warning rather than the coffee being too hot.


She spilled it by squeezing it between her legs and opening the lid to add creamer/sugar.


Mcdonalds coffee is not hotter than 90C when it's served.

Weatherman posted:

Hey what if someone shot at a McDonald's clerk for serving them coffee that they knew was too hot, but still wasn't hot enough to be at 4000 degrees Fahrenheit when they arrived at their office 600 miles down the road in Fuckstick, Hawaii? Would the first amendment protect them or would they have to sue the gun manufacturer?

Weatherman posted:

Hey what if someone shot at a McDonald's clerk for serving them coffee that they knew was too hot, but still wasn't hot enough to be at 4000 degrees Fahrenheit when they arrived at their office 600 miles down the road in Fuckstick, Hawaii? Would the first amendment protect them or would they have to sue the gun manufacturer?

President Ark posted:

depends, are they circumcised and how do they wipe their rear end after they poo poo?

Elohssa Gib posted:

And what brand of ketchup they put on their steak.

Weatherman posted:

Hey what if someone shot at a McDonald's clerk for serving them coffee that they knew was too hot, but still wasn't hot enough to be at 4000 degrees Fahrenheit when they arrived at their office 600 miles down the road in Fuckstick, Hawaii? Would the first amendment protect them or would they have to sue the gun manufacturer?

chitoryu12 posted:

The cup caused third-degree burns (as in burns through the entire dermis, turning it a disgusting yellow/brown leathery color and texture and killing the nerves there so badly that no pain is even felt) across 6% of her body and lesser burns on 16%. The coffee was so hot that she couldn't wipe it off her skin in time to avoid such severe damage and she ended up with permanently disfiguring skin grafts (at a cost of $10,500), 8 days in the hospital and 3 weeks of at-home care, and spent 2 years legally disabled from the damage. If she had made the mistake of trying to drink the coffee, all of those injuries would have been internal.

So I'm actually kinda on Liebeck's side here. You probably shouldn't be giving your customers drive-thru food and beverages that will melt their flesh off on contact if spilled.

dpack_1 posted:

Probably shouldnt sell customers guns and ammo either if it's gonna penetrate skin and bone if fired accidentally in the wrong direction.

This is the right thread for these kind of derails right?

zakharov posted:

How much do you guys tip for your hot dog sandwiches?

ekuNNN posted:

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