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Big Huski Boi
Jun 28, 2007

Huski Chocolate is a lifestyle, not only a product. It's about adventure & expedition. Living life to the fullest. It's a perfect recovery drink after training, because of the healthy carbohydrate and protein content, easy to digest and perfect for replenishing tired muscles.

can we stop saying vag please

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Funzo
Dec 6, 2002

If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley



On the other hand, VW would already have a massive advantage in the area of crippling electrical problems. They've been good at that for decades.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


1500quidporsche posted:

Wasn't the flat 12 a Subaru?

Also wasn't Toyota's base of operations in Germany? That worked out pretty good.

The Flat-12 was a Subaru, designed by Carlo Chiti, ex-Ferrari (and Alfa?) guy I think. There was no Japanese involvement other than money. Porsche made a horrible V12 in 1991 for Footwork.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Lowtax


be nice wicka posted:

can we stop saying vag please

Not getting enough?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx


1500quidporsche posted:

Wasn't the flat 12 a Subaru?

Also wasn't Toyota's base of operations in Germany? That worked out pretty good.

The problem was lovely Japanese management.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?


MustardFacial posted:

I think he meant more that the FIA should be blaming themselves for not enforcing drivers not slowing down during double waved yellows. Had they enforced that rule from the start, Bianchi wouldn't be in a position to be "going too fast", he wouldn't have crashed/wouldn't have hit the loader/at such a great speed, and he wouldn't be in a coma.

They are race car drivers after all, and race car drivers are children. If you give them an inch they'll take 1000 miles.

Yes, this. It 's ridiculous to point out that he didn't follow the regulation when they've never enforced it and no one follows it.

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



Human Grand Prix posted:

The Flat-12 was a Subaru, designed by Carlo Chiti, ex-Ferrari (and Alfa?) guy I think. There was no Japanese involvement other than money. Porsche made a horrible V12 in 1991 for Footwork.

Yeah, Subaru just slapped their name on it despite it already being known that it was overweight and underpowered if I remember correctly.

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011


Myrddin_Emrys posted:

Not getting enough?

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


Riso posted:

The problem was lovely Japanese management.

I read what Gascoyne had to go through and he basically summed it up as "I wanted to win races, Toyota did not". That being said, they actually produced a decent car sometimes, the TF109 was almost there.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

A VAG entry would be kind of interesting. If the WRC entry was anything to go by, it will be 'How much do we have to spend to win our first race?' and the real budget will include years of development work before they made an official entry so they aren't subject to testing rules. It didn't really work out well for Toyota but TTE was a mess in the mid 90s and it never sorted itself out. VAG's rally programme is at its peak, not its shameful cheaty-Pete worse at the moment, so it's a pretty different situation.

Big Huski Boi
Jun 28, 2007

Huski Chocolate is a lifestyle, not only a product. It's about adventure & expedition. Living life to the fullest. It's a perfect recovery drink after training, because of the healthy carbohydrate and protein content, easy to digest and perfect for replenishing tired muscles.

i too am in favor of a VAG entry

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

We need some other kind of major manufacturer to join in. Though unlike rally and endurance racing, formula 1 is entirely worthless aside from advertising your CNC machining business.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Lowtax


be nice wicka posted:

i too am in favor of a VAG entry

I would give C.... ahh never mind, if you know what I mean... *sigh*

djssniper
Jan 10, 2003




simplefish posted:

Another key point: It's Stefano

e: Oh, and VW won't go near F1 with Bernie still in charge - I don't blame 'em

or Ferdinand Piech in charge of VAG, never seen Bernie lose tbh

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

LOOK AT THIS SANDWICH I MADE, IT IS AN HOMAGE TO MY FAVOURITE FORMULA ONE TEAM - WILLIAMS GRAND PRIX. I USED A RENTED FORD SIERRA, UPSIDE DOWN BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AS MY INSIPIRATION.


be nice wicka posted:

can we stop saying vag please

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



Butt Wizard posted:

A VAG entry would be kind of interesting. If the WRC entry was anything to go by, it will be 'How much do we have to spend to win our first race?' and the real budget will include years of development work before they made an official entry so they aren't subject to testing rules. It didn't really work out well for Toyota but TTE was a mess in the mid 90s and it never sorted itself out. VAG's rally programme is at its peak, not its shameful cheaty-Pete worse at the moment, so it's a pretty different situation.

So two years of Skoda F1 before we get the full VAG?

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

1500quidporsche posted:

So two years of Skoda F1 before we get the full VAG?

I wouldn't mind VAG but I want a SEAT entry more than anything else.

thegasman2000
Feb 12, 2005
Update my TFLC log? BOLLOCKS!
/


Butt Wizard posted:

I wouldn't mind VAG but I want a LAMBO entry more than anything else.

fixed that for you...

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



thegasman2000 posted:

fixed that for you...

I can't think of too many things in life that would make me happier than a Lamborghini beating Sebastian Vettel in a Ferrari in the WDC.

El Hefe
Oct 31, 2006

You coulda had a V8/
Instead of a tre-eight slug to yo' cranium/
I got six and I'm aimin' 'em/
Will I bust or keep you guessin'

People talking about vags makes goons nervous

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


Butt Wizard posted:

I wouldn't mind VAG but I want a SEAT entry more than anything else.

SEAT are terrible and ruined WTCC with their lovely looking cars.

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

LOOK AT THIS SANDWICH I MADE, IT IS AN HOMAGE TO MY FAVOURITE FORMULA ONE TEAM - WILLIAMS GRAND PRIX. I USED A RENTED FORD SIERRA, UPSIDE DOWN BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AS MY INSIPIRATION.


WTCC wasn't ruined by SEAT, WTCC was ruined by WTCC.

thegasman2000
Feb 12, 2005
Update my TFLC log? BOLLOCKS!
/


I want to see Aston Martin and Porsche enter F1 but that poo poo wont happen... Vag is just unobtainable.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


A proper Porsche factory effort again would be really cool.

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



My bet is on Audi. They've had a hard-on for one-upping Mercedes since the 90s.

djssniper
Jan 10, 2003




Alain Post posted:

A proper Porsche factory effort again would be really cool.

This, because it would be a far greater name in the sport than Audi (going by 80's Ferrari vs Porsche teenage boy fandom)

George Zimmer
Jun 28, 2008


I'd put my bet on them running under the Lamborghini marque. Why ruin the good thing Audi has going in LMP1?

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



George Zimmer posted:

I'd put my bet on them running under the Lamborghini marque. Why ruin the good thing Audi has going in LMP1?

Because their main competitor is currently the top team in F1. Lambo has never really been about motorsports anyways.

I also agree with everyone that Porsche would be the best entry. I think their just about the only VAG marque left that still has a RWD platform.

Filthy Luker
Aug 4, 2002


http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motors...ory/186775.html

This is all sorts of awesome to me. Finally Newey working on America's Cup boats, but the surprise to me is that Red Bull is in on it as well.

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 3356 days!


Fun facts: If the Mercedes engine really does prove better than this year, it seems that Romain Grosjean is set to eclipse nick heidfeld in the number one slot for the most dubious record: "most points eithout a win".

Also positions 2 through 7 of all time were occupied by drivers who contested the 2014 season. Not sure what to read into that, but it must be something. ..

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

*AUTISM INSTENSIFIES*



MattD1zzl3 posted:

Fun facts: If the Mercedes engine really does prove better than this year, it seems that Romain Grosjean is set to eclipse nick heidfeld in the number one slot for the most dubious record: "most points eithout a win".

Also positions 2 through 7 of all time were occupied by drivers who contested the 2014 season. Not sure what to read into that, but it must be something. ..

All career points records are inherently flawed because of the different point scoring systems

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Filthy Luker posted:

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motors...ory/186775.html

This is all sorts of awesome to me. Finally Newey working on America's Cup boats, but the surprise to me is that Red Bull is in on it as well.

Why is that a surprise? The Billionaire Club has done to the America's Cup exactly what Red Bull has done with the WRC - ruined it, and then tried to change the sport to fit its marketing strategy, instead of marketing the sport as it is. Seems like a perfect match really.

One thing is for sure, with that kind of commercial sway, Team New Zealand won't be winning it again. Ever.

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



Butt Wizard posted:

Why is that a surprise? The Billionaire Club has done to the America's Cup exactly what Red Bull has done with the WRC - ruined it

I cry myself to sleep over what's happened to WRC because of Red Bull.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Wasn't America's cup ruined because the winner picks the next year's boats and the winner keeps picking expensive and dangerous boats?

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


1500quidporsche posted:

I cry myself to sleep over what's happened to WRC because of Red Bull.

In fairness, it was ruined before Red Bull took it over. The concern now is trying to prevent Red Bull from pissing on the corpse and turning it into rallycross.

the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



Alain Post posted:

In fairness, it was ruined before Red Bull took it over. The concern now is trying to prevent Red Bull from pissing on the corpse and turning it into rallycross.

Absolutely, the current rules have been a complete failure. But I can't help but feeling that it'll get worse so long as Red Bull is loving the corpse.

keevo
Jun 16, 2011

WAKE UP


Cojawfee posted:

Wasn't America's cup ruined because the winner picks the next year's boats and the winner keeps picking expensive and dangerous boats?

I thought that was the Ocean Race?

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Cojawfee posted:

Wasn't America's cup ruined because the winner picks the next year's boats and the winner keeps picking expensive and dangerous boats?

If you win the Cup and you can find someone who says they will challenge and will agree to it, then you can have whatever loving rules you like next time.

The real issue was the court cases about who was and who wasn't a legitimate Challenger of Record (a team that represents the challengers who negotiates the rules for the regatta) and then the Deed of Gift challenges (where the Challenger or event rules are held to be complete poo poo and one team the Defender out) which dragged the whole thing out even more. You ended up with ridiculous bullshit like a trimaran vs. a cat and only two syndicates in it. I don't even think they bothered showing that on TV down here.

When we finally got an actual regatta, the new cats were so expensive and unpredictable that they killed someone, the defender crashed their own boat and there were only three teams challenging, one of which was from the team who died and they never really recovered. The defenders also didn't provide half the poo poo for the challengers they said they would and they had to build a lot of their own infrastructure. There's all sorts of rumours about Oracle's boat having some wacky self-leveling technology that wasn't strictly legal but TNZ couldn't challenge it because they didn't understand how it worked until it was too late to do anything. Either way, they were beaten in some 'Miracle on Water' style comeback (once Oracle bought in a Brit) but the defenders got more in-house racing with their two boats each other than the challengers did during the actual regatta, much like if Ferrari got unlimited in-season testing and everyone else got nothing.

The new Cup is off to a flying start. The Challenger of Record who had never contested the Am. Cup folded after the challenge rules were laid out (funny that) and the event is happening in a country that isn't actually defending the Cup (but happens to be a tax haven). Meanwhile the huge cats that ran last time have been scaled down from 72ft to 60ft but the rules and venue took so long to be announced that it's almost certain that Oracle has a huge development lead because no one else knew the regulations and they did. And the big expensive boats they shelled out hundreds of millions to develop for the last America's Cup - you know, the hugely bad-rear end cats that literally flew across the water - are rusting and in pieces at docksides and will never run again in anger. I'll take a photo of Aotearoa this evening when I go out so you can get the idea of what $200m of America's Cup yacht looks like.

To make this post F1-relevant, imagine Red Bull and STR getting to set the rules for the entire grid, season, race length, race format and then everyone trying not to roll their eyes when it becomes a corrupted shitfest that the fans end up resenting. Ultimately the fans finds themselves pining for some golden 1990s era and the sport turns into RED BULL SAILING EXTREME VETTEL FEST like countless numbers of others series that exist yet no one gives a poo poo about.

E: Oh yea, and at the next America's Cup, Oracle will be allowed to build two boats to choose from but Team New Zealand and all the other challengers are only allowed one boat for the whole event. How's that for a 'gently caress you for almost beating us last time'?

Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at Dec 5, 2014 around 04:09

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013



Grimey Drawer

We need to get all these bored billionaire wankers to throw money at F1 teams instead of boats.

The idea that in the year of our Lord two thousand and fourteen, some rear end in a top hat will spend 200 million on a thing powered by wind is absurd.

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the kentucky quid
Jan 19, 2014



Butt Wizard posted:

There's all sorts of rumours about Oracle's boat having some wacky self-leveling technology that wasn't strictly legal but TNZ couldn't challenge it because they didn't understand how it worked until it was too late to do anything.


No wonder Adrian Newey loves this poo poo.

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