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Lawman 0 posted:Maybe you guys should import some weed from Uruguay and The weed here is mostly paraguayan. =(
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Badger of Basra posted:I'd like this to be a general Latin America thread, I've always wanted one I like that his back track was "no, no, what I meant to say were all failed states, guys". More mass kidnappings reported by French media in the state of Guerrero: http://m.france24.com/en/20141126-video-new-kidnapping-case-cocula-mexico-france24-exclusive-missing-students/ quote:
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Conquest by a European power worked out so well for the people of South America the first time around, let's do another round of that! 
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VitalSigns posted:Conquest by a European power worked out so well for the people of South America the first time around, let's do another round of that! Thank goodness for vaccines.
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Frijolero posted:Firstly, gently caress you. Imperialism is the reason Latin America has been consistently poor and unstable. He's a Pinochet apologist really a good reason for taking away sociopaths rights.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:20
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sugar free jazz posted:Hola mis amigos! Soy de Chile! Yo quiero un American Carrier Group y deseo mi nacion convertirse Grenada! Me encanta Ronald Reagan! Ciao! This made me realize that I don't remember enough spanish to make jokes about Chilean spanish anymore. Something about unnecessary pronouns and muddling the language to make it sound like Portuguese or something. Oh well.
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wateroverfire posted:Chilean labor law is pretty dumb in a lot of ways. Below are just a few:
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Nov 26, 2014 21:30
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hoiyes posted:Weird how Australia has/had worker protections very similar to these (having weathered constant attempts at erosion by conservatives) and still manages to be one of the wealthiest and happiest countries in the world despite their obvious stupidity. I couldn't speak to Australia. Maybe things there aren't administered by gomers. Probably they do not in fact work the same way, though.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:38
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hobbesmaster posted:This made me realize that I don't remember enough spanish to make jokes about Chilean spanish anymore. Something about unnecessary pronouns and muddling the language to make it sound like Portuguese or something. The funny bit is that ciao is actually Italian.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:39
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hobbesmaster posted:This made me realize that I don't remember enough spanish to make jokes about Chilean spanish anymore. Something about unnecessary pronouns and muddling the language to make it sound like Portuguese or something. Chilean spanish is like welsh english.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:41
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wateroverfire posted:I couldn't speak to Australia. Maybe things there aren't administered by gomers. Probably they do not in fact work the same way, though. Maybe you would have had a decent administration if Pinochet hadn't overthrown Allende. Who knows!
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wateroverfire posted:Chilean labor law is pretty dumb in a lot of ways. Below are just a few:
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420DD Butts posted:The funny bit is that ciao is actually Italian. Chau, ciao, eh 50% is good enough
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Nov 26, 2014 21:49
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wateroverfire posted:I couldn't speak to Australia. Maybe things there aren't administered by gomers. Probably they do not in fact work the same way, though. Well actually... Why do so many South Americans seem to suffer from this weird South American unexceptionalism. The fact there are stupid, ignorant, or lazy people in countries other than their own seems to be unfathomable. Yeah the girl at the kiosk had to count on her fingers to check the change to give from 3 reais out of 10. Seen the same thing in Australia, no big deal. But a middle-class Brazilian will walk away from her saying "nossa que povo BURRO aqui tem!"
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Mr. Wiggles posted:These are all good things actually maybe you should rethink your economic positions? If only they worked out the way you'd think they'd work out. Alas. hoiyes posted:Well actually... IDK. I think it's a matter of degree. I've traveled all over and while I've met some dumb and sometimes truculent people nothing seems quite like home.
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hoiyes posted:Well actually... This is a good post. Depending on the country it's a mix of various levels of racism and classism. In Brazil, Peru, or Bolivia the level of racism is probably higher. The people always lamenting how dumb everyone is are white as hell.
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So unions are complaining about getting a real-terms pay rise (however small) during times of economic difficulty? Oookaaay.
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Badger of Basra posted:Maybe you would have had a decent administration if Pinochet hadn't overthrown Allende. Who knows! Maybe. Probably we'd be a failed state limping by on international aid. Chile didn't have the massive human and physical capital reserves to plunder that Argentina did when it decided to run itself into the ground.
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Nov 26, 2014 22:01
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wateroverfire posted:Maybe. Probably we'd be a failed state limping by on international aid. Chile didn't have the massive human and physical capital reserves to plunder that Argentina did when it decided to run itself into the ground. You mean when it was run into the ground by a junta?
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Nov 26, 2014 22:04
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Badger of Basra posted:You mean when it was run into the ground by a junta? Nah, by Peronismo.
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Turns out making your country a neoliberal resource farm for industrialized nations doesn't turn out so well?
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rscott posted:Turns out making your country a neoliberal resource farm for industrialized nations doesn't turn out so well? Australia? 
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hobbesmaster posted:Australia? Eh, they (used to) make cars and poo poo in Australia
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wateroverfire posted:Maybe. Probably we'd be a failed state limping by on international aid. Chile didn't have the massive human and physical capital reserves to plunder that Argentina did when it decided to run itself into the ground. Which time?
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Nov 26, 2014 22:19
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The Americas should unite was a global economic/military powerhouse instead of the Current United States bully hegemony approach. Imagine all the domestic activity that could occur with some changes to borders and drug policies. Instead of spending billions a year to hold Afghanistan together you create law and order in the greatest modern civilization in world history. Let Russia and China and everyone else work out their own problems.
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McDowell posted:The Americas should unite was a global economic/military powerhouse instead of the Current United States bully hegemony approach. Imagine all the domestic activity that could occur with some changes to borders and drug policies. Instead of spending billions a year to hold Afghanistan together you create law and order in the greatest modern civilization in world history. Let Russia and China and everyone else work out their own problems. At the risk of being glib: "And Spanish shall be the governing language of this federation." "Wait a loving second, whose Spanish?"
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Problems with Chile:
Welp, looks like it's time for another 9/11
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rscott posted:Eh, they (used to) make cars and poo poo in Australia Australia more or less went the resource export route predicated on Chinese consumption, we'll see how they end up. Also they are also having a currency weakness issue at the moment, maybe it is an economic thing not an ideological one? wateroverfire posted:Chilean labor law is pretty dumb in a lot of ways. Below are just a few: As other have said, most Americans wished they had those protections. Modernity in your manner of speaking means ultimately less protection for workers. As for fraud itself, there are ways to work with that beyond just cutting those protections. quote:You have to understand the context. The U.S. has a pretty functional public school system in places that aren't poor. Chile does not have a functional public school system and hasn't since ever, really. The voucher schools are a lovely alternative to a functional public school system but they're still BETTER than Chile's public schools. The poorest of the poor (rural Chile) are hosed, yeah. It sucks to be poor. Bachelet's plan will not make it suck any less. No one is talking about quality at this point - it's literally an ideological putsch against the concept of profit. Basically, it is a situation where a portion of the population has no hope of moving ahead because the state system has been under funded. It is broken and it needs to be fixed, and even if you believe many schools should remain privatized, there is little argument against greatly increase funding. quote:With respect, bro, you weren't here and you haven't followed the issue from inside the country. The right was going to lose but could have lost to a center-left figure like Andres Velasco, who was Bachelet's finance minister during her first term. Bachelet had huge star appeal that was pretty much unparallelled in Chilean politics. Now she's polling down around 50% iirc. She was president previously, and she is a known quantity, she wants going to have an advantage versus the right either way after Pinera. Anyway, the argument for tax based incentives is weakened by the fact that Chile has had them for a while, and the companies that were going to take advantage of them are already in Chile and weren't likely to leave based on relative marginal increases in taxation. Chile if anything clearly needs to improve quality of education across the population if it wants to remain competitive and a future based on mining (in my opinion) is going to be suffocate the country. Ultimately, I think Chile is in such a position Bachelet's presidency will come under pressure, not because she is a firebrand leftist, but because Chile is in a poor structural position. Basically, all countries with economics based on raw material exports or energy are having trouble at the moment and will likely continue to do so. Anyway, from what I have seen about recent politics, it is hardly just leftists on the offensive when there are plenty of rightist groups on the streets as well and the country is clearly polarized. (Knowing Chilean history, this isn't unpredictable) Ardennes fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Every day OP wakes up and is disappointed that the newspaper doesn't run a headline like:
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The Warszawa posted:At the risk of being glib: Midwestern American Spanish, of course. Because even in our Pan-American utopia Iowa is important.
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McDowell posted:The Americas should unite was a global economic/military powerhouse instead of the Current United States bully hegemony approach. Imagine all the domestic activity that could occur with some changes to borders and drug policies. Instead of spending billions a year to hold Afghanistan together you create law and order in the greatest modern civilization in world history. Let Russia and China and everyone else work out their own problems. This is the one where nothing changes except for even more direct American intervention in their economies, right? This is a Eurozone/ECB/Germany/Greece joke, correct?' e: No hablo Americano Blanco.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Every day OP wakes up and is disappointed that the newspaper doesn't run a headline like: Latin American media is so hosed. This tumblr got started during the Brazilian election, making fun of Veja for their ridiculous headlines (one of which they moved up to the day before the election and then were banned from publishing because it was electoral manipulation): http://desesperodaveja.tumblr.com/  LULA AND DILMA ALWAYS KNEW IT WASN'T LUPUS
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Berke Negri posted:I like that his back track was "no, no, what I meant to say were all failed states, guys". So, uh, any reasons the military response to this isn't working? Too limited? Government is dumb? Counterinsurgencies don't work?
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Glenn Zimmerman posted:So, uh, any reasons the military response to this isn't working? Too limited? Government is dumb? Counterinsurgencies don't work? Probably because militaries make for poor police forces, and if society destabilizes to that extent, the military can pretty much keep the streets clear. Granted corruption and incompetence, including in the military and federal forces, is also a big issue in Mexico obviously. It is a case of effectively what are now warlords with secure revenue stream dividing up a country with weak state institutions and little leadership. That said, if anything it is surprising the US is letting this happen considering a stable Mexico is in its direct national interests.
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Glenn Zimmerman posted:So, uh, any reasons the military response to this isn't working? Too limited? Government is dumb? Counterinsurgencies don't work? Depends who the military is fighting for the benefit of at any given moment Nieto's strategy to "cool off" the narco wars appears to just be ceding large chunks of the country to de facto rule by cartels, which at this point are largely indistinguishable from many local governments. That's why you look at Iguala, the site of those student kidnappings, and the cartels and local government operated side by side.
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LemonDrizzle posted:So unions are complaining about getting a real-terms pay rise (however small) during times of economic difficulty? Oookaaay. Yea, and there are some interesting issues in how public unions should be treated vs. private company unions. At least in the vast majority of countries nurses and doctors can't go on strike just because, and even strikes among transportation workers is limited. It seems perfectly reasonable to have restrictions on what public unions can do when they are performing tasks vital to the infrastructure of the state. wateroverfire posted:Chilean labor law is pretty dumb in a lot of ways. Below are just a few: More worker rights = automatically better seems to be the axiom around here, but that really does seem ripe for abuse. I'm really not sure why I should cheer on rights that could very well hurt the majority of people for the benefit of people who abuse the system. Like number 3 is just nonsense in the global economy, I have no idea why people are mindlessly nodding along to that one. It's completely antiquated, like it presumes everyone is still on a factory assembly line or something. 1 and 2 have generally good ideas that probably just need to be reworked a bit.
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Ardennes posted:Probably because militaries make for poor police forces, and if society destabilizes to that extent, the military can pretty much keep the streets clear. Granted corruption and incompetence, including in the military and federal forces, is also a big issue in Mexico obviously. It is a case of effectively what are now warlords with secure revenue stream dividing up a country with weak state institutions and little leadership. America's implicit agreement with the Mexican government has seemed to me that as long as trade keeps flowing and the cartels know to keep their heads down on the other side of the border America will largely look the other way and let Mexico sort it out (or not) however they deem fit. Sure, there's the Merida Plan but that's just another excuse to sell guns. Or the DEA can come in and take someone down when it is politically beneficial. But then there's not really much that can be done until people are willing to sit down and really tackle the issue of violence and its connection to American demand for drugs.
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wateroverfire posted:Maybe. Probably we'd be a failed state limping by on international aid. Chile didn't have the massive human and physical capital reserves to plunder that Argentina did when it decided to run itself into the ground. According to D&D the solution to economic and political problem in every country is to just go more leftwards The less they know about the issue the more true this is
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Typo posted:According to D&D the solution to economic and political problem in every country is to just go more leftwards Well maybe we should try a more rightward approach. Maybe a program for economic development.
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Typo posted:According to D&D the solution to economic and political problem in every country is to just go more leftwards Wow do we have two Pinochetistas in one thread?
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