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Ghost of Mussolini posted:In regards to Nisman and what is obviously his murder, it is important to note that there is a deep internal conflict between the Argentine intelligence agencies, particularly within the ex-SIDE, as well as Army intelligence. The intelligence services are the only part of the military who have not had their budgets left to wither to inflation, and they're quite powerful behind the scenes. The new Chief of the Army is the former army intelligence boss, and he's been beset by accusations of involvement in the dirty war (and is most certainly guilty in some degree, there are witnesses who place him inside clandestine detention and torture centers). I don't know if he had anything to do with this, but it goes to the general context that these are institutions that operate how they want and with a fair degree of insulation from the rest of the state. It used to be pretty fun to read the (supposedly) former SIDE agents forum, seprin.com.ar, to see what are the new conspiracies around the government and everything in the news but now It looks like they weren't loving around. hello i am phone fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Pretty Boy Floyd posted:I'm about to spend a few months in Argentina and Chile, and I was talking to someone I know in Buenos Aires and she said people are banging pots and pans (one hour ago). Sounds like there are some demonstrations tonight, too. This is more... common than you would think. It started as a form of protest ("cacerolazo", cacerola = pot/pan) around 2001 when the economy collapsed. But nowadays it's been sort of ran into the ground. E: VVV Also when the lights get cut off because the city's energy infrastructure is poo poo. I mean, I get it for the few neighborhoods that have no lights for weeks on end, but my neighbors did it after an afternoon once and we've always gotten our electricity back pretty soon. Markovnikov fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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I think it was in 2013 or early 2014 that there were cacerolazos every time the president spoke on tv, and that was almost daily.
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hecko posted:It used to be pretty fun to read the (supposedly) former SIDE agents forum, seprin.com.ar, to see what are the new conspiracies around the government and everything in the news but now It looks like they weren't loving around. Those guys don't gently caress around, ever. Sometimes they're successful, that's the only difference. And the removal of the former head of intellgence (the "señor cinco") and replaced with a guy you could call Cristina Kirchner's right hand (Oscar Parrilli) didn't make anything but entice them to go full speed ahead with their ops. In the meantime this is the information about the prosecutor's death. In a nutshell, nothing's ruled out but suicide looks very likely, with the body found blocking the bathroom door on the inside and no other possible access, and the gun seemingly having been fired by Nisman himself, still pending gunpowder-on-tissue check under microscope. http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/179902/prosecutor-fein-no-third-party-in-death-of--nisman-forced-suicide-not-ruled-out
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My Imaginary GF posted:Iranians would. Its certainly an interesting death. She must be crushed before it is too late.
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I don't think he was murdered really. He lived in one of the most secure ares in Buenos Aires (as in, any strange event would have been caught by a million security cameras), had police custody (which could be a good or bad thing here really), and from the data we've been getting so far it looks like a classic Sherlockian closed-room death. It does go to show that sometimes reality is stranger than fiction. It will kick up a whole lot of sand, specially it being an election year. My Imaginary GF posted:Iranians would. Its certainly an interesting death. If any of you ever want to see what neoliberal politics are capable of, read about Menem. Markovnikov fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Markovnikov posted:I don't think he was murdered really. He lived in one of the most secure ares in Buenos Aires (as in, any strange event would have been caught by a million security cameras), had police custody (which could be a good or bad thing here really), and from the data we've been getting so far it looks like a classic Sherlockian closed-room death. It does go to show that sometimes reality is stranger than fiction. Not just police custody but the coast guard (the Naval Prefecture) as well. Strange as it sounds, that area is still legally a harbor and the Argentine coast guard has it under their watch.
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I don't see the point of killing yourself in a position like the one he was in. I do think it could be possible he was forced to commit suicide, maybe some relatives of his were threatened if he didn't.
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Azran posted:I don't see the point of killing yourself in a position like the one he was in. I do think it could be possible he was forced to commit suicide, maybe some relatives of his were threatened if he didn't. The investigating prosecutor said she's not ruling that out yet. Apparently he had asked to borrow the pistol from someone in his office that he shot himself with, weird.
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Badger of Basra posted:The investigating prosecutor said she's not ruling that out yet. Apparently he had asked to borrow the pistol from someone in his office that he shot himself with, weird. CSI better make an episode out of this or something. 
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Yes it's now been confirmed that he only had that weapon in his possession for a few hours before killing himself. The weapon (a. 22 caliber pistol ) wasn't his property or registered to him in any way. The president has published a letter in which she defends herself and her administration's conduct, obviously, and also slings a lot of accusations around and keeps banging the media conspiracy drum. Nothing new. There were marches in every major city pretty much. There was even a march in Punta del Este :cryingmediopelo: The investigation has not ruled out an "induced suicide"
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Apparently he owned a .32? According to this journalist: https://twitter.com/ntarnopolsky But who knows. Why would he kill himself without leaving any note or anything? To me, that makes it obviously murder or "suicidio inducido".
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Also, a new update says there was little to no trace of gunpowder on his hands. It does say it was such a small weapon that it would be hard to find some residue, but still.
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Here's the article: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1761553-no-encontraron-vestigios-de-polvora-en-las-manos-del-fiscal-alberto-nisman
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Pretty Boy Floyd posted:Apparently he owned a .32? According to this journalist: https://twitter.com/ntarnopolsky Especially in his situation - if you know you're willingly balls deep into something that might well kill you/severly hurt you and your family, I don't really see him just killing himself like this.
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Today they found a 3rd, somewhat hidden access to the apartment, where they found a fresh footprint and a fingerprint (from here).
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And the locksmith said the service door wasn't really locked from the inside.
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Apparently with a .22, there usually isn't much GSR, but this is in Argentina where the bullets would typically be of low quality for your regular .22 owner in say the USA, meaning they emit a lot more GSR (someone else's explanation, not mine). "He" also shot "himself" behind his ear.
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It seems that drug cartels are now using drones loaded with drugs to cross the border. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/in-english/2015/drone-carrying-drugs-falls-down-in-tijuana-100426.html guess they beat Amazon Prime Air.
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El Laucha posted:Today they found a 3rd, somewhat hidden access to the apartment, where they found a fresh footprint and a fingerprint (from here). I keep saying this is out of some loving spy thriller. Someone get on that book deal. Qué país generoso.
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Markovnikov posted:I keep saying this is out of some loving spy thriller. Someone get on that book deal. Argentina has a history with very, very shady accidental deaths and suicides in the 90's. You know, the decade in which the case he was investigating took place. What I'm saying is that we don't just have material for a book, but for a whole series.
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Mrs. K would make a good Bond villain.
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papasyhotcakes posted:Is that a parody newspaper? It has to be.
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Yes. Think of it as the Argentinian Charlie Hebdo for the closest analogue. "Hope: It is trusted that when prosecutor Nissman's death is explained, it will explain the cover-up that, once explained, will explain the AMIA bombing" Under that: "Second Edition: Unexpected Twist: The prosecutor might have drawn caricatures of the SIDE (the spy agency)" Markovnikov fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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papasyhotcakes posted:Is that a parody newspaper? It is and it owns.
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hecko posted:It is and it owns. I stand clarified by the clarification clarificated in this clarificating posts.
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Barcelona is the only newspaper I could actually trust.
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Loving that motto: "An European solution for the Argentine's problems." 
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El Chingon posted:It seems that drug cartels are now using drones loaded with drugs to cross the border. Drones are robbing good honest working class people of jobs.
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According to Buzzfeed the president is now saying rogue intelligence agents murdered the guy? This is such a weird story.
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The guy who broke the story fled the country to Israel and was apparently tracked by spies. Is it just assumed that this is never going to be solved?
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Fat Lowtax posted:The guy who broke the story fled the country to Israel and was apparently tracked by spies. Bear in mind that this is the kind of poo poo that happens in my country:  For those unaware, that's the official Twitter account from the Presidential Palace. The Tweet was also shared by other state agencies and such.  He fled to Israel from Uruguay so that he didn't had to take an Aerolineas Argentinas flight. Of course, those aligned with the govt. are saying that he's a zionist pig alligned with mossad and all that kind of bullshit you'd expect from the shitbrains that keep supporting these people.
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Nothing beats all the people I see day to day that think this is just: - A plot to make our current government look bad (as if they needed help) - A cover up for the TRUE KILLER: the media (or any particular media person, like Jorge Lanata) - Another Jewish crime, where Israel wants to keep the truth hidden. - A drug deal gone wrong that has absolutely nothing to do with anything else. I did find a particularly funny quote today: quote:This crime will never be resolved and the truth will be never be revealed... because the truth is just a subjective construction made by individuals or groups of individuals. Ergo, truth as a concept is invalid.  Seriously though, I hope nothing happens to Pachter. Azran fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 25, 2015 |
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Azran posted:Seriously though, I hope nothing happens to Pachter. The guy's definitely overreacting. He didn't reveal anything different or out of place (like any clues suggesting a real conspiracy from the government) yet he says he fled because the government is out to get him? The whole connection journalism/spies in Argentina is by now a classic discussion. It's only now the general public is seeing how deep it is.
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Fat Lowtax posted:The guy who broke the story fled the country to Israel and was apparently tracked by spies. It doesn't seem that unlikely that the reporter did the job himself or was involved with whoever did after the prosecutor found evidence that Iran wasn't involved in the Jewish center bombing. There's certainly one country that would not like a result exonerating Iran. How strange that the reporter suddenly flew to that very country. Either that or is was Colonel Mustard. That guy's a dick.
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Azran posted:
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7of7 posted:It doesn't seem that unlikely that the reporter did the job himself or was involved with whoever did after the prosecutor found evidence that Iran wasn't involved in the Jewish center bombing. There's certainly one country that would not like a result exonerating Iran. How strange that the reporter suddenly flew to that very country. Haha seriously? 
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I just re read that post, and did he just imply Pacther killed Nisman. Please tell me that this was said by someone of consequence, and not just from the comments section of a news site. [/quote] Sadly, no - just a friend of mine. It was still pretty funny.
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