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revtoiletduck posted:Garrioch says Karlsson will play. Crisis averted. Phew. If he weren't there, who would they blame for the upcoming loss?
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Hand Knit posted:I guess you're maybe too late in that this sort of approach isn't new to the way Hockey Canada operates. For what it's worth, Pronman was going on yesterday about how taking him is reasonable(ish) and this isn't just a winz thing, but it still looks pretty bad. And, really, even if he is a genuine prospect, that still doesn't seem like reason enough to take him over someone like Jarry. Yeah, Team Canada has always worked like this. They seem to have "their guys" and they roll with them through thick and thin. It leads to some lovely snubs sometimes if you're not one of their guys, like for Ottawa 67s players over the past decade. I hope Konecny can turn that around for next year's tourney.
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Dec 2, 2014 18:53
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Mike_V posted:I think what Hitch means is that it's going to continue to be a 1a/1b thing like they had with Elliott and Allen. I imagine Allen will be the 1a, unless Hitch has lost his mind. At which point hopefully he will realize after 5 games of .905 or so from Marty that he needs to be playing 1/5 of the games or w/e. Hitchcock was interviewed on Ottawa radio right after the Blues announced Brodeur was going to practice with them, and the conclusion the hosts had after the interview (and I agree) is that this isn't something that came up in the last week. Hitchcock seems to have wanted to bring Brodeur in for a while. Probably not because he wanted a backup.
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Dec 2, 2014 19:46
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I really liked Klinkhammer during his short stint in Ottawa, and I'm glad he stuck in Phoenix. I think he'll be a good addition to the Pens' bottom 6. He plays a fun aggressive style without being an idiot about it.
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Dec 5, 2014 21:10
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Aphrodite posted:Which bad Columbus GM didn't take that? Obviously it could have turned out differently, but Ryan Murray has more NHL games (70) than the 7 NYI picks have AHL / NHL games combined (68).
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Dec 5, 2014 21:53
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ThinkTank posted:I doubt the Blue Jackets would've kept all 12 picks. 4, 31, 34, 62, 65, 95, 103, 125, 152, 155, 182 and 185 (plus potentially the King's 30th overall pick too which they deferred to 2013) would've given then a number of very useful trade assets to acquire some key pieces. Of course things would have played out differently. I'm just saying it's not as clearly a bad move to keep Murray, especially if you think he's a clear cut above the player you'd get at #4. Columbus hasn't exactly done a bang-up job of finding and developing talent late in the draft, so the advantage with a guy like Murray is that you literally don't have to do anything other than give him ice time, and you'll have an NHL player. Even if you packaged up all those extra picks to move your second up into the first round, it was a weaker draft and there's no guarantee either of the first round picks hit.
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Dec 5, 2014 22:21
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Trevor Bird posted:the oilers are going to give radulov so much money in july I hope somebody does. His playoff run in Nashville was kind of crap, but he was a joy to watch in his first NHL stint. Maybe he's got his house in order a bit more than he did at the time. Gotta remember how young these guys are.
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Dec 5, 2014 22:25
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Ginette Reno posted:A quick look at the Klinkhammer's stats shows him to be a positive possession player and he's got size and hits so this seems like a good move for the Pens. He reminded me a lot of Erik Condra in terms of his offensive ability (and playstyle actually, though on the forecheck he actually engages physically rather than just trying to strip the puck). I wouldn't count on top 6 production from him no matter what his possession stats indicate he could be capable of. He's a bottom 6 guy. e: I know you weren't saying that you expected him to be anything more, this is more a comment to Pornographic Memory. If he's in the top 6 expect to be dissapointed. Speaking of which, man does Condra need to get traded to a team that will use him. He's a great bottom 6 player and it's dissapointing to see him as the odd man out here.
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Dec 5, 2014 23:08
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Pat Clements posted:There is also a point to be made that even Cooke and Raffi have cleaned up their acts, whereas FCP has only grown worse over time. Torres hasn't cleaned up his act so much as he's just barely played hockey due to injuries since his last major suspension.
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Dec 6, 2014 07:48
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What a disconnect. I mean, it shows Kadri is smart enough to say the right things when they need to be said, but jesus. It's not a disconnect at all. Normal people don't talk badly in public about current co-workers. Guys can be great teammates no matter what their skill level on the ice. They're different skillsets.
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Dec 8, 2014 16:36
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Mind_Taker posted:Paul MacLean fired. This really bugs me, if only because it's another coach fired before Murray. The guy has cancer, so I wouldn't fire him either, but I certainly wouldn't allow him to hire another coach.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:50
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flakeloaf posted:Wasn't Dave Cameron specifically handpicked by Melnyk to be the head coach in the first place, so until that happened there was nothing to be gained by letting MacLean play with his good GI Joes? That's just great. I am super happy to have a really lovely assistant coach who has never really found great success at other levels (a couple years in junior, I guess) become our new head coach / future head coach.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:12
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If Vegas gets an expansion team I will stop cheering for any Melnyk-owned team and start cheering for Vegas instead.
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Dec 9, 2014 00:03
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Isentropy posted:Switching from a Melnyk owned team to a Maloof one is, um, questionable. Last few years the Sac Kings were reduced to shooting Kardashian reality shows in their arena to raise cash... a) Anybody but Melnyk. b) mr. unhsib posted:The guy running the season ticket drive in Vegas is William Foley, not the Maloofs. ... That being said, this sure is an interesting article about Foley, as is this. (Both by the same guy, who maybe has an ax to grind?)
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Dec 9, 2014 02:42
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fits posted:Jagr's two points tonight puts him past Dionne and into sole possession of 5th in all-time points Not entirely sure he retires at the end of this year either. Guy is an ageless wonder, as long as he can still play (and he can) he may just keep playing. If he were somehow able to play 2 more seasons (on top of this one), he could probably finish #2. He would of course have finished #2 without question if he had not gone to the KHL. Though you could say that about Howe and the WHL. Also, it blows my mind Ron Francis has that many points.
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Dec 9, 2014 06:34
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El Gallinero Gros posted:If it helps with your expectations, his save % is only .904 This is what I expected, at least. I think there could be an argument that timely saves are worth something that's not reflected in sv%, and there may be an argument that Brodeur is good at making timely saves. I kind of doubt it, but it's possible I guess. More likely he's on a good team doing his thing (bad goaltending). I'm looking forward to St. Louis making the finals with him in nets. Truly this year's Ray Bourque.
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Dec 9, 2014 15:56
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Well minus the rings he already has, anyways.... Well, yeah. He hasn't won in a decade though, dude deserves to win again!
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Dec 9, 2014 15:58
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ThinkTank posted:I think he's a vastly overrated coach. A shaved monkey could've coached Canada to gold in 2014. He's very good and among the best in the league, but not 'pass up on McDavid' good. I don't think a shaved monkey could have coached a team to play at the level Canada played at. They played probably the best possession hockey we will ever see, against teams composed of superstars. That said, Babcock wasn't the only coach on that team either, the assistants were all great coaches in their own right. And even if he were there's no way I would ever want a coach before a player like Crosby or McDavid.
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Dec 11, 2014 21:33
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Yandle for either McDavid or Eichel sure would be a good deal for Arizona. Edmonton is dumb but I'm not sure they're that dumb.
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Dec 12, 2014 06:39
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Spamtron7000 posted:Laviolette? He's definitely the front runner if you're considering performance vs. expectations. Boudreau has gotta be up there too.
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Dec 15, 2014 06:43
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HookShot posted:Haha this one owns. I also like the comment "better save this article for next year too".
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Dec 16, 2014 06:23
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dyn posted:
Are these tickets cheaper at least?
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Dec 16, 2014 16:30
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TBL fans: how has Drouin looked? His production numbers aren't great, but for a 19 year old playing 10-15 minutes a night they're not awful either. e: ^^^ Those are worse than HFBoard trade proposals. Hell, they make the Yandle for McDavid proposal look reasonable.
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Dec 16, 2014 18:19
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Aye Doc posted:I wonder if Tyler Dellow just sits in team meetings with the most defeated look on his face, fighting back tears as MacT explains his desire to give Schultz 30 minutes a game. he must be loving miserable knowing how little his stats mean to them I'm surprised he wasn't fired with Eakins.
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Dec 16, 2014 21:29
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mr. unhsib posted:funny how the canucks traded garrison to make room for miller and miller is a disaster and garrison is the exact defenseman they are clamoring to add right now good job good effort Management needs somebody to get the beer out of the fridge at games.
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Dec 16, 2014 22:05
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Austrian mook posted:Who could have possibly foreseen that Schneider and Louongo would be having better years than Miller?! Since 2003 Luongo has had only a single season better than this one. It's kind of surprising that a 35 year old goalie who had a save % .917 of over the previous 4 years with Vancouver (encompassing 4874 shots against, a sample size which we can probably say is indicative of ability) has posted .924 with Florida. Miller's sv% over the previous 5000 shots (representing 3 years, not 4) was also .917, and he's currently posting the lowest save % of his career. e: I think it's not surprising Miller isn't nearly as good as his rep, but it's very surprising that Miller is doing this poorly and Luongo is doing this well.
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Dec 16, 2014 22:17
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THE MACHO MAN posted:Miller's also only had two years where he would be unquestionably considered good. Other than that, his stats have always been right around the league average. What he's doing right now is far below league average.
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Dec 16, 2014 23:56
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fits posted:oilers finding new and exciting ways to lose games in the macnelson era Hahaha. "Under Eakins we would have lost that game and never had a chance to lose that game in OT, this is improvement!."
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Dec 17, 2014 05:53
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Aye Doc posted:Mirtle and a few other people were saying that the team who hired the smartest and best analytics guy, the Panthers, were the team who had seen the biggest improvement so I started reading a bit about him Oh, he's the guy who wrote "An Expected Goals Model for Evaluating NHL Teams and Players". I don't know if that was the first instance of 'hits as a bad stat', but that paper is the first place I remember reading it. quote:One thing that stood out from the model building process was that hits and hits against were significant statistics. That is not terribly unexpected perhaps, but it is the sign of the estimates for hits and hits against that may be a bit surprising. The coefficients of hits and hits against are negative and positive, respectively. This means that low hits, and high hits against, are good predictors of goals. In other words, the teams more hits against than hits are the teams with higher goals. I absolutely can't speak to the math behind his numbers, but one thing that stood out to me about his work (you can see it in all three papers linked in that article) is that the players his stats identified as being really great all met the eye test. Too often you read papers about new models or ways of rating players that include "top offensive player" Brad Marchand or something.
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Aye Doc posted:the coaches should be begging the stats guys for help at this point. This is my favorite quote from that article: quote:“There’s a reason why Vegas is made out of marble,” said Devils winger Mike Cammalleri. “It’s not because you can’t win a bet tomorrow. It’s because, over time, [the house] has a half-percent or a percent advantage on the players.” It's not about winning the cup or going on great (lucky) winning streaks, it's about winning the most games due to a small difference in ability / performance that you can sustain over time. Which will give you a good chance to one day win the cup, because you'll more often get favourable playoff matches.
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Levitate posted:on the other hand i'd take a hot/lucky streak that wins the cup and not complain Me too. I'm just saying that's the value stat guys are going to provide, and his quote demonstrates a good understanding of that. They'll help you find areas where you can gain a small advantage over other teams. The streaks are still going to determine a lot. Better to be a lucky gambler than to be a good one if you only want to win it once, but if you plan to make a living as a pro you probably want some skill to back you up when the luck runs dry.
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A Typical Goon posted:Why would they do that? Because Ryan Miller is a ~.915 goalie having a bad year, whereas Ondrej Pavelec is a ~.905 goalie having a good year.
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Dec 17, 2014 21:02
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Gio posted:also yes mcdavid is not a for-sure talent like lindros. I know that's also been said to varying degrees about Tavares, Stamkos, and Hall before him, but the numbers McDavid is putting up are unreal, and he's anything but an unknown. Like Crosby, he's been the next big thing since he was like 12 years old. If he tears if up at the WJC that could put expectations for him as a pro in the Crosby realm.
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The Dirty Burger posted:@Sportsnet: The #Oilers are not loaning forward Leon Draisaitl to Team Germany for the upcoming #WJC2015  When was the last time the NHL had a team this badly run for this long... the Ballard era?
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Dec 18, 2014 21:56
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fits posted:someone took this out as a full page ad in the edmonton sun today This is awesome. They could have got somebody else to write it though. It's really poorly written.
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Dec 19, 2014 15:56
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Anders posted:If you weren't busy bashing the KHL you would have read that as an argument on how good Radulov (kinda unknown quantity due to small sample size in the NHL) compared to Kovalchuk (known quantity due to big sample size) Point distribution in the KHL isn't the same as in the NHL though. The ice surface, style of play, and player utilization mean different players see success. For easy examples see: Stephane Da Costa has 40 points in 27 games, and Brandon Bochenski was a real star over there. Radulov isn't a totally unknown quantity. We can look at his NHL performance in his two stints here and at his international performance (though it's a bit of a tough one due to the disparity in competition quality). He's a very good player, but he's no Kovalchuk. That said he'd be a star in the NHL. If the KHL does end up folding there are several players I'd be excited to see come over, and he's on the top of the list. Others include Thorensen, Jan Kovar, Sergei Mozyakin, and some of the goalies (I'm curious if any of them are legit... guys like Stanislav Galimov).
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Dec 19, 2014 18:50
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Anders posted:I won't argue that. I don't think Radulov is more than a 0.75ppg player in the NHL in the best if circumstances Yeah, realistically this just means guys in the SEL / Liga / etc are going to lose jobs (assuming that there are entire teams that fold). Probably fewer jobs overseas for soft skilled NA players too, so we might see guys like Bochenski just stick around, not head over.
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fits posted:iirc stamkos has the highest career shooting% among active players by nearly 2%. ovetchkin has a similar ridiculous lead in shots/game Not the best, but yeah Stamkos has a really high shooting %. There are guys like that every once in a while. Tanguay is another one (19% career shooting over almost 1000 games is nuts, but the guy only shoots a little more than once a game).
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The Dirty Burger posted:I've watched quite a few Stars games, and honestly if their D and goaltending were even mediocre they'd be an awesome team. Seguin is gonna have Jamie Benn on his wing for the foreseeable future, and if Valeri Nichushkin can ever stay healthy, that's gonna be a gross line for a lot of years. Plus Spezza is one of the best passers in the league and he's feeding him on the powerplay. I think he could probably keep putting up points for a while Seguin's great but he had 300+ regular and post-season NHL games coming into this season and his shooting percentage over the first thousand shots of his career was just over 10%. This season it's almost 20%. His assist rate is the same as it was last year. His shot rate is up but not significantly (and I'm not sure he's a guy who will shoot 4 times every game over a long stretch, but he's clearly a volume shooter). He's having a great start to the year and if he keeps it up it'll be a fantastic year. It's not a year he's likely to repeat anytime soon. His low mark should still be a PPG player for the forseeable future though. e: Interesting, and anecdotal, but Ovechkin's, Crosby's, and Jagr's peak shots / game years came at 23 (Seguin's age). Stamkos' was 21, as was Gretzky's. Bossy's was 24. Lemieux's was 22 (though he was real close at 30... gently caress he was good). Brett Hull was the old man still slamming shots at 27. Volume shooting is a young man's game. Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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eXXon posted:Counterpoint: Patrick Sharp. Yeah there are always gonna be exceptions. Patrick Sharp's entire career arc is kind of weird. Guy wasn't even PPG in the ahl at 23, scores a couple points off that at 29 in the NHL.
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