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Skinty McEdger posted:Yeah I don't disagree with this at all. There is a problem now where it's almost like the American scene where if anyone gets truly credible in the jrn's they're pushed up to the heavyweight scene. Also while I've liked the matches, I don't think the annual feed the Jrn champ to the IWGP champ main event does anything for anybody, except reinforce that the heavyweights are more important. They could have made Ibushi the New Liger. Hell, he's young-ish, they still could. It'd be amazing, if he became the new Jr Ace.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:They could have made Ibushi the New Liger. Hell, he's young-ish, they still could. It'd be amazing, if he became the new Jr Ace. Ibushi and NJPW have both made it clear his future is in the heavyweight division and that he's now above the jrn's. I don't see him being relegated back to it.
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quote:LARIATOOOOO!!! @SenorLARIATO 22m22 minutes ago https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsZCBTpKjHzdbCpKZ1No1KAdpmOd2OcgSMfC1-oa7pI/edit#gid=0
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Thauros posted:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsZCBTpKjHzdbCpKZ1No1KAdpmOd2OcgSMfC1-oa7pI/edit#gid=0 Too sweet. This will help in my quest to watch at least two matches a day.
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Thauros posted:You're right that they need more talent in the pipeline but this is a bit unfair. No one had a loving clue who AJ was and that was in a much bigger arena than Sumo Hall with a card with much less notice. If we go by sheer numbers there was still more people in the house for the AJ match than either of the two IC matches with Fale. i couldn't check before since i was on my phone but cagematch says both Nakamura/Fale matches outdrew AJ/Okada, the first by 150 or so and the second by about 700. no clue if those figures are accurate. your other points are fair though.
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Thauros posted:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsZCBTpKjHzdbCpKZ1No1KAdpmOd2OcgSMfC1-oa7pI/edit#gid=0 What's up with the colour coding on this?
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Spermgod posted:i couldn't check before since i was on my phone but cagematch says both Nakamura/Fale matches outdrew AJ/Okada, the first by 150 or so and the second by about 700. no clue if those figures are accurate. your other points are fair though. Ok the Yokohama show was admittedly slightly more of a disaster than I thought but I'm still not completely wrong: Back to the Yokohama Arena - 7,800 Dominion 2014 - 7,300 Super No Vacancy Destruction in Kobe 2014 - 8000 Super No Vacancy (Numbers courtesy of Strong Style Spirit) SO it was in betweeen. 500 more than Dominion, slightly less than Destruction Okada's sold out the midsize arenas for title matches against midcarders - upper midcarders like Kojima, Anderson, and Makabe so I don't think he deserves the blame here. Nakamura's the most popular guy in the company by the metrics of merch sales and World searches but Okada's a draw. Putting the belt on AJ turned out to be a smart way to create a new viable top level heel but it took a while for him to build heat. Thauros fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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AJ and Tanahashi popped their first sell-out in that arena since what like 2007 or something right? I forget the details
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elf help book posted:I've never watched NJPW, should I buy this? That depends, do you want to watch some NJPW? If you do, then sure buy it. If you don't, I wouldn't recommend buying it.
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If you have any interest in NJPW at all you should at least give it a shot for the big Dome show January 4th. If it turns out that it's not your thing just cancel.epitasis posted:AJ and Tanahashi popped their first sell-out in that arena since what like 2007 or something right? I forget the details First Sumo Hall sellout not counting G1 Finals since 2007, and that was a special Chono anniversary show. Edit: quote:
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Thauros posted:If you have any interest in NJPW at all you should at least give it a shot for the big Dome show January 4th. If it turns out that it's not your thing just cancel. Yea, I've been holding off because I assume I'll want to watch that and also not watch it live.
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Someone please explain this match to me: http://njpwworld.com/p/s_series_00132_1_7 (Sting vs Tony Parumora - 1/4/95 - Meltzer: -****, worst rated NJPW match of all time) Why is Tony wearing gloves Why is poo poo Why this tournament Why.
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maxallen posted:Someone please explain this match to me: Is that the Tourney that crippled Rick Rude pretty much? Also in terms of new pushes is Goto too old or part of an older wave?
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gfanikf posted:Is that the Tourney that crippled Rick Rude pretty much? Goto is the same age as Shibata. He's been due a good push for a while, but he's really been victim to being the right guy at the wrong time a few times. When they look like they're gonna push him, suddenly there's a better guy to push. Shame, because Goto is consistently great, and his finisher, the Shouten Kai, is one of the best in New Japan. Gyro Zeppeli fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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maxallen posted:Why is Tony wearing gloves Antonio Inoki.
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elf help book posted:I've never watched NJPW, should I buy this? You like weird MMA fights? NJPW was doing them 10 years before PRIDE. You like puro classics? NJPW has its fair share. You like best modern era big stage wrestling on the planet? NJPW is doing that right now Hate selling? Go watch Dragon Gate.
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gfanikf posted:Is that the Tourney that crippled Rick Rude pretty much? No it was a stupid one night only NJPW tournament that was MMA Themed. It was Inoki vs. Gerard Gordeau, a guy who was a savate champion in 1991. Tony Palmore was a Karate fighter in the late 70s early 80s and by this time looks like he might have been retired. Inoki had some shoot like fighting to him but Sting was just a body builder trained to pro wrestle. So you have Sting and an old retired karate fighter having a worked shoot match where Sting looks like a complete chump with the fakest and weakest punches I've seen thrown knocking him to the ground. In the end Sting wins that match, Inoki wins his match and then wins the whole tournament.
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KungFu Grip posted:No it was a stupid one night only NJPW tournament that was MMA Themed. It was Inoki vs. Gerard Gordeau, a guy who was a savate champion in 1991. Tony Palmore was a Karate fighter in the late 70s early 80s and by this time looks like he might have been retired. Inoki had some shoot like fighting to him but Sting was just a body builder trained to pro wrestle. So you have Sting and an old retired karate fighter having a worked shoot match where Sting looks like a complete chump with the fakest and weakest punches I've seen thrown knocking him to the ground. In the end Sting wins that match, Inoki wins his match and then wins the whole tournament. I watched Gerard match and its hilarious because Inoki gets legit lit up several times. Gerard gives no fucks.
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KungFu Grip posted:No it was a stupid one night only NJPW tournament that was MMA Themed. It was Inoki vs. Gerard Gordeau, a guy who was a savate champion in 1991. Tony Palmore was a Karate fighter in the late 70s early 80s and by this time looks like he might have been retired. Inoki had some shoot like fighting to him but Sting was just a body builder trained to pro wrestle. So you have Sting and an old retired karate fighter having a worked shoot match where Sting looks like a complete chump with the fakest and weakest punches I've seen thrown knocking him to the ground. In the end Sting wins that match, Inoki wins his match and then wins the whole tournament. NJPW's slump during the early 2000s before Jado and Gado was because Inoki loved stuff like this, right?
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http://njpwworld.com/p/s_series_00211_2_8 peak bullet club
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dsriggs posted:Antonio Inoki. Oh I forgot the next match in this stupid 4 man tournament is Sting vs Inoki, where the match is literally: Sting gets like 3 long holds on Inoki and I think a single suplex to mix it up. Inoki barely makes it to the ropes each time. Sting hits Inoki with a scoop slam for 2, Sting tries again, Inoki reverses it into a sleeper, Sting and Inoki drop to the mat, the ref looks down and calls for the bell. That was literally the only offense Inoki got the whole match, and they didn't even do the arm drops or an extended fight for conciousness.
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BigRed0427 posted:NJPW's slump during the early 2000s before Jado and Gado was because Inoki loved stuff like this, right? That & Inoki encouraged his guys to do stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN-MZUUU1tU
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Holy poo poo, Buffer did Bom Ba Ye? Wow. Yeah Inokism is the best/worst thing to ever happen. I took Lariato's advice on F4Wonline and watched some early 90s Hase, which I haven't seen in years. Jesus christ that guy is incredible. Was it just his size that prevented him from getting the main belt? Gatorfade fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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As a disgusting shoot-style fanboy, I love Inoki-ism in the same way I love the stupider parts of wcw
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dsriggs posted:That & Inoki encouraged his guys to do stuff like this: Yuji, nooooooo That's not how you beat Fedor. His weakness is wrestling.
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Are there any key matches that people should watch before WK9? Not that NJPW is as storyline driven, but it might help for newer people to have time to watch some of the matches leading up to the biggest event of the year. Edit: Whoops got my numbers mixed up. I mean the upcoming Tokyo Dome show in January triplexpac fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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triplexpac posted:Are there any key matches that people should watch before WK8? Not that NJPW is as storyline driven, but it might help for newer people to have time to watch some of the matches leading up to the biggest event of the year. If they have a lot of time to kill, every Okada/Tanahashi match since New Beginning 2012 has been building to this.
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LvK posted:As a disgusting shoot-style fanboy, I love Inoki-ism in the same way I love the stupider parts of wcw my understanding is a major reason the NJPW fanbase latched onto Tanahashi is because he represented the opposite of the Inoki ideology: pretty boy, very pro-style performer, not a 'real' athlete, etc. i haven't seen much stuff from that era but the 2004 Fujita/Tanahashi match is really really great. i think Tanahashi is at his best when he's working as an underdog, he lacks range as an offensive wrestler imo. i could do without the shoot soccer kicks to the head, but at least it's not Ishikawa/Ikeda...
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triplexpac posted:Are there any key matches that people should watch before WK9? Not that NJPW is as storyline driven, but it might help for newer people to have time to watch some of the matches leading up to the biggest event of the year. I think the main event could call back all six Okada/Tanahashi matches, so definitely those. Ibushi vs Nakamura at 23rd G1 as well. Not too sure other than that. I guess some Goto/Shibata tags and singles to get some history there
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Does anyone know how to change your payment information? I had to replace my card and it's proving difficult to change it to my new one. EDIT: Nevermind, got it working. NotQuiteQuentin fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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triplexpac posted:Are there any key matches that people should watch before WK9? Not that NJPW is as storyline driven, but it might help for newer people to have time to watch some of the matches leading up to the biggest event of the year. http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/102-japan/40187-recommended-2014-matches-on-njpw-world-to-get-you-set-for-the-tokyo-dome If they're just looking for angles building to the 1/4 show, it's a good start. Plus it will be a bunch of bad rear end wrestling.
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hooly gently caress this was great http://njpwworld.com/p/s_series_00067_2_1 (Maeda/Fujinami 06/12/86) finish kinda sucked but that's the 80s for you, not to mention it was an interpromotional match so yeah Spermgod fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Anyone else having trouble loading videos on Safari? Signed up this morning - Chrome works fine, but no love on Safari.
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If you're getting some error about a key, you need to enable third party cookies. My Safari had it disabled by default, changing that setting fixed it.
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