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I binged this poo poo and then went to r/blackmirror to read episode discussions and...yikes. So many redditors justifying and empathizing the abusive assholes in The Entire History of You and White Christmas. Lots of "gently caress you, Beth, you could have talked to him about it" completely missing the fact that he was being physically aggressive towards her. So many people took the idea from The Entire History of You as being "Well, he was right, wasn't he?" as if that makes it a happy story.
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lightinwater posted:I think that this is a boring interpretation; bad people do bad things. No, the point is that everything Liam does is done today by people going through texts and social media looking for proof of infidelity. Why drive yourself to grief/insanity over it? If a partner is going to cheat, they're going to cheat.
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Dec 29, 2016 15:38
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Even if it is a real window, is that worth it? He still can't leave, he's not free. But it's better than the bike.
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Mar 16, 2017 19:07
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If that were true, why do you need to do the whole "annoying tones play when not watching anything" part of it?
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Mar 16, 2017 21:22
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FireWorksWell posted:I was being trying to be funny. A real question I had is more about how she's fed and all that, we don't exactly see her being given any time to consciously eat food. She specifically says at one point "We go to (place), then we eat" so while it is not shown, it is talked about.
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Apr 29, 2017 12:24
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I was just like Nooooo don't put me in the wall forever I don't wanna be a drive in a wall. The process is entirely voluntary and you can disconnect at any time. If you don't wanna be a drive, no one was forcing you to be one. It was a happy ending, folks. Accept it.
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Jun 18, 2017 01:11
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fantastic in plastic posted:I completely understand why members of the Something Awful Forums would think that someone committing suicide so that they can play a video game with their online waifu is a happy ending. And I can fully understand why goons, unable to enjoy anything, would read hypothetical horror in an explicitly happy ending. You realize she was dying, yea? "Committing suicide to play a video game" is some loving spin, man.
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Jun 18, 2017 02:21
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Open Source Idiom posted:Plus, you can only torture the device so long before you lose the point of it in the first place. It'd become increasingly uncalibrated. Jon Hamm mentions that the ones that don't work out due to overtorture get made into cannon fodder NPCs for video games.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:06
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Evernoob posted:I also think its a happy ending. The goon server was a joke. Ehhhhhh, Be Right Back's ending seems to me that she ultimately failed and never got over her dead ex, didn't read as very positive to me. National Anthem's ending is pretty sad too, dude's marriage is destroyed and for what? Nothing.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:43
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Alhazred posted:Didn't he get a small raise in the polls? He was about even from before, if I recall correctly. You also see small mentions of him in other episodes like a tweet that he was banned from the National Zoo, or another news story about him getting divorced.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:10
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Evernoob posted:I more like read it that she banned the droid to the attic, and only let her child go up there once a year to briefly get to know what her dad was like. Yea but I don't see any sort of new man in her life, I highly doubt any dude is willing to date someone who keeps a living reminder of their ex, so to me it reads like she permanently broke her capacity to enjoy love again. Like, she should have just gotten therapy instead and could probably have moved on and had a healthy life, but this stupid service ruined that option.
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Jun 20, 2017 12:44
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Fututor Magnus posted:that means that it's just a copy of their brain that gets to live on, meaning that the human being still dies, i.e. ceases to exist. so no consciousness transfer, and it's debatable whether this new simulation is any sort of existence at all, i wonder how one can argue that it is existence at all. How can you say that when they can enter it when alive and it's clear that there is total consciousness transfer while they're alive (no part of them is aware of sitting in a chair with the little head do-dad on until they log out), so the implication to me is that the same thing happens when they die as well.
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Oct 29, 2017 12:08
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Quandary posted:To the contrary, San Junipero was, in fact, good Yea, and to see people claim it's bad because it had an upbeat ending is baffling to me. That's the whole point, all the rest are ambiguous/sad at best, we're allowed one loving happy ending you nihilistic fucks. e: VVV Look, some people are happy with 80s arcades and some people want kinky thunderdome. Different strokes for different folks! WampaLord fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Oct 31, 2017 13:09
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Fans posted:Isn’t that the whole point of the ending? They reason they end up together is because the Kelly with a husband dies and the Copy is free to go on with Yorkie. She got to do both. The point of the ending is that her body is with her family but her mind/soul/spirit/whatever you wanna call it lives on with Yorkie. It's literally never implied to be a copy, but goons wanna have the whole "does the transporter kill you" debate again instead of just accepting it's a happy loving ending.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:15
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Fans posted:Otherwise it’s an ending where she says she wants to die and then just changes her mind To me, that's beautiful.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:22
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FireWorksWell posted:Yeah, I knew the twist going in and I still found it to be a really good episode. I loved the little bike horn ringtone. I knew it as well and that moment where he gets texted the trollface is still so perfect.
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Nov 3, 2017 13:52
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maskenfreiheit posted:Why do they argue? I would imagine the guys are probably going "Yea, but he was right, wasn't he?" and are completely missing the point.
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Nov 4, 2017 14:47
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maskenfreiheit posted:There’s multiple plotlines with out of control dudes but IIRC in this one he just gets drunk and yells? He also drives drunk and assaults the other dude.
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Nov 4, 2017 14:53
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maskenfreiheit posted:And yeah, those are bad behaviors but he did get treated pretty horribly. I didn't call him a monster, I said that him being right isn't the point of the episode, the obsession with looking for infidelity ruined his life. Like, the girl will go on to be fine, this dude's probably getting arrested and fired.
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Nov 4, 2017 15:07
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maskenfreiheit posted:Sounds like more of an issue with a society that selectively punished anti social behavior Jesus Christ, talk about missing the point.
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Nov 4, 2017 15:41
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jokes posted:Isn’t it just beautiful? Was the argument you saw similar? I figured it would focus on the infidelity issue more instead of quickly jumping to "Well maybe society shouldn't jail people who assault others"
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Nov 4, 2017 17:53
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maskenfreiheit posted:What he did was wrong but there were mitigating circumstances. A just society would take his DL and fine him. Nothing excuses assault you loving lunatic. What broke in you?
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Nov 4, 2017 21:59
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Simply put: she was wrong to cheat on him, even if we take the fanfiction that he was super possessive and jealous all the time at face value (which, again, we loving shouldn't, because that's insane, because the episode never comments on his past behavior). She was super wrong to pretend like the child she got from cheating on him was his, because there's literally no way you can justify that behavior as anything but extraordinarily loving lovely Look, I get that being cheated on is a lovely thing to happen, but it literally never justifies violence. He lost the moral high ground when he tried to kill the other guy. facebook jihad posted:the lady is a big push over who will just do what people tell her to do. It's like you missed the entire part of the episode where they made her drink "Cuppliance"
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Nov 26, 2017 15:32
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:I'm not saying he didn't? I'm saying it's literally unjustifiable to pretend that you're pregnant with someone else's kid, that's unjustifiably terrible behavior. There's no proof it's not his kid, you're speculating.
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Nov 26, 2017 17:26
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facebook jihad posted:My issue with the plot of White Christmas is that the fate of Hamm’s character (who was basically a more extroverted Don Draper, a good thing) was pretty much crueler than death if you think about it for more than two seconds. Being blocked by everyone in the world means you can’t get poo poo done or even get anything to eat, much less work. I assume it's not a death sentence in the world of Black Mirror, he can work online (like he was doing already) and can order food and whatnot online as well. The delivery dude doesn't have to know what you look like. It's still an incredibly hosed up punishment, total social isolation and being shunned, but I didn't get the feeling it was a death sentence. facebook jihad posted:His character was pretty much a lovely person though so I guess he deserves it. Did you watch Shut up and Dance and come to the same conclusion? Or White Bear? I think a major theme of Black Mirror is cruel and unusual punishment is never okay, no matter the circumstances.
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Nov 27, 2017 20:48
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I am unapologetic in my attitude towards the woman in White Bear. You're going to be totally complicit in child murder (I can't quite remember if she herself did it, or was just with the guy who did)? Yeah, gently caress you, repeatedly, every goddamned day. Do you not get that she's already dead? Like, they're torturing a woman with no memories, you're not even punishing the same person anymore, just a shell that shares the same physical traits as the person you were mad at. It's literally cruel and unusual punishment. What's wrong with life in prison? Why do we need to go the extra mile to this ridiculous torture? Also, she didn't kill the kid herself, she just filmed it. Her boyfriend killed the kid, but killed himself before his trial could conclude. Granted, she's a terrible person and is totally complicit in the child's death, but she deserves the same justice system as everyone else, you can't let popular outrage guide the justice system or you get, well, White Bear.
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Nov 27, 2017 21:34
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It's me, I'm the weirdo who loved The National Anthem. It's such a amazing black comedy. The slow, dawning realization over the course of an hour that "No, I really do have to gently caress this pig" that the main actor expresses is just loving delightful to watch. counterfeitsaint posted:I thought Waldo was incredibly stupid the first time I watched it, back when the concept of a foul mouthed literal cartoon of a human being getting elected seemed outlandish, but those were simpler times. Sure, it gets vindicated because of Trump, but that still doesn't make it a fun episode to watch.
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Nov 30, 2017 00:24
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counterfeitsaint posted:This is Black Mirror we're talking about. There's nothing fun about watching any of it, it's designed to make you feel awful and a little sick. Nah, like I said, The National Anthem is a black comedy, I loving laughed a ton at it. And San Junipero is fun as hell to watch.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:54
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I read the entire society as a critique of capitalism, what with how easily commodified Bing's rebellion becomes (recall the Bing Shard that the one kid was buying for his avatar), but maybe that's just the leftist in me reading too far and it's more supposed to be about how talent shows are poo poo.
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Dec 1, 2017 17:18
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21 Muns posted:Playtest: However justified it may be, corporate espionage is still a very bad idea. More like, "if someone tells you to turn off your phone because it might interfere with this thing that's going to be altering your brain, loving turn off your phone." What a dumbass.
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Dec 5, 2017 16:50
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Fans posted:VR Star Trek from the way the woman acts at the cheesy villain Yea, that was my instinct as well.
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Dec 6, 2017 18:29
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:So, is it (edit: I should clarify with "do you think it is...") barbaric to have left the guy's 'cookie'/AI in the kitchen for as long as they did, with the time dilated out to a thousand years per minute? Or does it not matter, since it's not real? If it's not real, why torture it? Do you have the desire to make your phone's radio app run 604.8 million years to torture it? Of course not, because the app doesn't know that it's torture, it's just a program doing a job, what would be the point? These people do see the point in torturing the cookie, which to me confirms that it's basically a person, because no one would care about code enough to even think to try to torture it. Yes, it's barbaric as gently caress, is the answer I'm driving at here
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Dec 20, 2017 19:41
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DrVenkman posted:Also, regarding the end I feel like him dying was just this narrative convenience and didn't really make all that much sense. It feels as though they realised that if he just wakes up, he could do the whole thing again and had to get out of it. I think you nailed it here, otherwise why end it that way? It does seem really stupid that he has no way of exiting the game. I really loved USS Callister. So the idea that it was VR was predicted from the trailer, but that his NPCs would be self aware and active when he's not there is a loving brilliant idea. I also liked that the tech guy had a line about "Well, whether we'd be dead depends on your perspective on sentient code..." neatly referencing all of the other times we've seen sentient code.
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Dec 29, 2017 17:14
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Darko posted:Also, Barclay. Yea, it's basically What if Hollow Pursuits, but the characters kept living after he left and they had free will ETA: Holy poo poo, Black Museum might be my new favorite episode, it's amazing. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Dec 29, 2017 19:28
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Doltos posted:Ok so Black Museum It's literally just to create tension, and it works quite well. The slow build of tension throughout the episode is half the fun.
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Dec 29, 2017 22:58
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Doltos posted:That would be true but the only context clues leading up to the reveal were the two news reels about the weather woman killings, and both reels were like 3s long. Before that I was trying to figure out how the first two stories would connect to Rolen ending up in the middle of no where. Figured it would just be another mad scientist trope where he kidnaps the girl at the end. But even revealing the daughter/father thing at the end still didn't connect the first two thirds of the episode, if that makes sense. Like only the technology bits mattered, not the actual story of the doctor or the mother. They fit thematically.
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Dec 29, 2017 23:07
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Groovelord Neato posted:really the most nightmarish part of callister is no genitals cuz it'd at least be somewhat bearable if you could bump uglies on your down time. I like how the ending made sure we knew that they got their genitals back. With a significant glance between two of them to boot.
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Dec 29, 2017 23:32
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Crocodile Whoever compared this to the Futurama episode where Leela keeps killing people loving nailed it, and now I can't stop laughing.
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Dec 29, 2017 23:35
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Groovelord Neato posted:man i was really into hang the dj until it turned out it was just a really long actual real world tinder/okcupid joke. Same here. Great episode, but awful ending. Groovelord Neato posted:callister was good. Black Museum too.
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I just rewatched Callister and there's a particularly nice little Star Trek reference, when he's scanning her DNA the progress bar on his screen says "Assimilating..." You know who else was a fan of assimilation...
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