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Oct 2, 2013

FireWorksWell posted:

I wanna say Altered Carbon but it's been a while and I could be wrong.

I don't remember Altered Carbon that well either, but isn't the point there that a person's mind is in those disc things? Somehow.

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Honest question; can someone tell me about a sci-fi story/show/movie where the original consciousness of the person is legitimately moved or transported to or kept alive in something? Maybe that did happen in Black Mirror and I'm forgetting about it.

The closest I can get off the top of my head is Mr House from Fallout NV, and even that wasn't quite it; his body was still (barely) alive.

This is stretching "in something" a little, but in Clarke's 2001 series of books the ancient aliens or whatever seemingly transfer several consciousnesses into the fabric of spacetime or whatever the techno-babble around it was.

But this is just the Star Trek transporter argument all over again; would you ever step into one? Is it an execution machine with a funny side-function, or a transportation device?

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Oct 2, 2013

El Jeffe posted:

Don't Start Trek transporters literally transfer your consciousness in the data stream or something? Not that that's realistic, but canonically it's not destroying you and making a copy. Would step into one.

But what about Riker 2: Riker harder?

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Oct 2, 2013

Der Kyhe posted:

Its space magic but basically the idea is that you have consciousness as a data stream and matter stream as another so if you get data stream the system can try to replace the missing parts of the matter stream. Or then that "fortunately it didn't live long" from ST:TMP happens.

Transporter duplicates are "the data stream got reflected" mumblemumblemumble "and now we have the same person in the both ends".

But yes, the general idea is that the person coming out from transporter in the other end is the same person built from the same materials and what the traveler experiences is standing in a bright bubble for a while.

Yeah, it's space magic and by definition non-sensical, but if two Rikers can come out of the other end of the magic tube, it's not clear what happened to OG Riker. With Stargate, we at least see people partially existing on both sides of the worm hole, so it seems more plausible that it's just one person going through a magic tube, bing bong. Of course they contradict this in the episode where Teal'c gets stuck in the gate crystals :v:

But to wrap this back around to the Black Mirror computer minds stuff, I sort of agree with Rupert that it'd be a copy of a person now existing in the (magic) computer. That said, I would at least feel sympathy to a digital copy of myself, and that's enough (for me!) to find all those episodes' premises truly and well hosed up.

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Oct 2, 2013

The premise of the show is considering the hosed up implications of magic smart phones. We're engaging with the content, see?

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Oct 2, 2013

Arguably tiktok doesn't need the clone :banjo:

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Oct 2, 2013

Cerv posted:

what if not star trek, but too much

The "teaser" in the article sounds more like what if star trek, but all the rubber forehead aliens are insufferable trekkies

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Oct 2, 2013

Episode three was the best, but ending stuff why couldn't they have just given Brandy one of those nub things that are ubiquitous in this setting instead of a stupid telephone?

USS Callister was a good sequel, no notes. Good season all around.

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Oct 2, 2013

TelevisedInsanity posted:

Non-Spoiler:: I'm still very tired of stories involving the button on your temple. I'm waiting for the origin story of this technology and the Frankenstein horror show it created, and the Business Dipshit that profited anyway.

Callister episode There's a great bit in the garage flash-back with a prototype version of the button. That cable :allears:

Was the button already a given thing in the museum of horrors episode? I suppose it must have been.

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Oct 2, 2013

Chamale posted:

I disagree. The ending was foreshadowed in the way Maria's boyfriend and coworkers criticized her desire to always be right. She's not as evil as Verity became, but clearly headed in that direction.

My interpretation when watching was that it's heading to an eternal spiral of sorts, with empresses getting de-throned via execution over and over as absolute power corrupts absolutely etc., but admittedly this isn't exactly spelled out by the writing and could be a me thing

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Oct 2, 2013

Android Blues posted:

I rewatched the original USS Callister for comparison and it's a lot darker and more grounded than Callister 2 for sure, although I think I like both of them equally.

I do kinda wish the Callister mini-series they were originally planning had happened, though. I think the premise of the crew having adventures in Infinity could have gone to a bunch of different fun places in an episodic format.

e: also the rules about credsticks being kinda unclear bugged me. It seems like if they frag someone their gear and money doesn't drop, which is why they have to do the "give me your credits!" bit before fragging them - but why would anyone agree to get robbed instead of getting fragged when dying seems super low consequence for players?

Plus when they fight Pixie Bunkin later on, her stuff does seem to drop on the ground when they defeat her. I guess you just have to assume this is part of a complex tapestry of game systems we never see, and maybe Pixie is playing on hardcore mode, but it contributes to the stakes in the first act feeling a little unclear.


I'm not an MMO person, but the players could just lose XP or something as a penalty for getting fragged, or some other progress metric. It's unclear how this all works plot-wise though, since it seemed like there's either a direct or an indirect pipe-line between real world dollars and in-game credits, since they chat about how Infinity is being monetized to hell and back thanks to our greedy CEO being a little poo poo. So would getting fragged mean a bigger real-money loss for players than just handing over their credit stick?

To be fair, explaining all this out in dialogue might be a little bit awkward or seem forced, but :shrug:

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Oct 2, 2013

Phenotype posted:

you'll have entirely lost touch with reality

Don't threaten me with a good time

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