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I love all the Terminator films especially Salvation and Genisys. I have not however yet seen TSCC. Also, The Walking Dead is awesome I love it, and I even enjoyed Fear the Walking Dead. Escapism loving rules.
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The Walking Dead is like the most un-escapist piece of entertainment. It's all dour and boring and meaningless. Just like real life.
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Nov 21, 2015 00:41
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It's escapist in the sense that you can murder people you don't like.
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Nov 21, 2015 00:48
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It does work for that because I want every character on that show to die.
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Nov 21, 2015 00:50
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Ah, poo poo, that's like the Bad Father in Jumanji. Pretty much. Why, after all, does the liquid terminator take Sarah Connor, as its final form? Everyone's noted that the liquid terminator is the 'feminine' counterpart to Arnold, literally fluid in its ability to shift between various genders and whatnot. But few people have linked this to Sarah's insane ranting about the patriarchy, and how John needs to talk her down from killing Dyson. Sarah Connor is the feminist villain of the film. But T2 is vague - vague to the point that people don't realize they're being misled for most of the runtime. Sarah's apocalyptic dreams are false prophecies in T2. Judgment Day is prevented, but the robots continue to attack - which means it was never just a single issue created by a single corporation. As a contrast, Terminator G the gumption to say - quite unambiguously - that John Connor is the antichrist. And Salvation gives us an authentic Christ figure in the Marcus character. The point of all the repetitions is that the characters fail each time - but the message each time is to "try again. Fail again. Fail better."
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Nov 21, 2015 02:28
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Hey gang. I just watched T5. I thought it was pretty good and I'm bummed that ticket sales were poo poo so we'll never know where pops came from. Also I've been half-following this thread and I have zero idea what the gently caress SMG is talking about in any post here.
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Nov 21, 2015 05:52
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Sockser posted:Also I've been half-following this thread and I have zero idea what the gently caress SMG is talking about in any post here. Welcome to CD.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:33
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CelticPredator posted:It's a story about John Connor, Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese, a Terminator, a T-1000, Skynet, Time Travel and a plot that will bring upon the machine apocalypse. You can switch around the plot, add some different lines, maybe a couple new action scenes too! But the ultimate result is the same story we've been presented since 1984. The time traveling stuff should've been capped at Rise Of The Machines. The ending to that film was perfect. It also should've been the last one with Arnold; a trilogy of some sorts within the series, if you will. Terminator Salvation is irredeemable dogshit while Genisys is just fan-fiction. I didn't hate the latter as much as I thought I was going to. It really did have some great special effects, specifically on the John Connor Terminator. It suffered from a lovely script, Jai Courtney, and a PG13 rating, and weightless action sequences. Also somebody earlier said that the sequel was cancelled; it's not.
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Nov 21, 2015 08:02
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Sockser posted:Hey gang. I just watched T5. I thought it was pretty good and I'm bummed that ticket sales were poo poo so we'll never know where pops came from. John Conner is the Antichrist. What's so hard to follow here?
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Nov 21, 2015 08:09
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Sockser posted:Hey gang. I just watched T5. I thought it was pretty good and I'm bummed that ticket sales were poo poo so we'll never know where pops came from.
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Nov 21, 2015 08:20
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Immortan posted:The time traveling stuff should've been capped at Rise Of The Machines. The ending to that film was perfect. I wouldn't call anything about that movie "perfect."
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Nov 21, 2015 08:32
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Xenomrph posted:Latest from the producers of Genisys are that they're still moving forward on another Terminator movie, they're just reassessing how they want to handle it. (Source) quote:The company plans to use “data and research to do a worldwide study and really talk to audiences about what they loved, and what maybe didn’t work for them, so that the next we take with the franchise is the right one.” I really wish they would stop doing this. It produces exactly the kind bland messes that Genisys is. (Yes Firefox, put a red squiggly line under that word. It is the right thing to do.)
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Nov 21, 2015 08:54
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The ending to T3 is pretty good though.
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Lurdiak posted:I wouldn't call anything about that movie "perfect." The T-X had a perfect rear end.
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Nov 21, 2015 09:15
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Pretty much. Why, after all, does the liquid terminator take Sarah Connor, as its final form? Everyone's noted that the liquid terminator is the 'feminine' counterpart to Arnold, literally fluid in its ability to shift between various genders and whatnot. But few people have linked this to Sarah's insane ranting about the patriarchy, and how John needs to talk her down from killing Dyson. Sarah Connor is the feminist villain of the film. Right, the twist of Terminator 2 is not that the Arnold is a good guy now. The twist is that Sarah Connor is The Terminator. CelticPredator posted:The ending to T3 is pretty good though. It's a rad ending.
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Nov 21, 2015 17:06
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Sockser posted:Also I've been half-following this thread and I have zero idea what the gently caress SMG is talking about in any post here. When confronted with a time-travel narrative, there are two standard responses. The first is to start drawing up timeline charts of all the 'branching timelines' and whatnot. Make sense of the plot, figure out what's canon, etc. That whole approach is pretty dumb because it basically skips over and ignores the story's presentation. You get the plot, but lose the sense of it - like putting Memento in chronological order. How does time travel work, realistically? It doesn't. So, the more common response is to throw up your hands and say "it's a fictional story, it just doesn't make sense." My approach, however, is a synthesis - where I make sense of the fiction, and explain how time-travel works in fictional terms. Conveniently, the Terminator films already employ a bunch of explicit biblical analogies (e.g. Genesis, Salvation, Judgment Day...) to make the abstract AI/time-travel stuff comprehensible, while simultaneously putting the more abstract imagery of the bible in fairly concrete secular ways. Time-travel, as depicted in the Terminator films, is much too complex to chart - but also very easy to understand. The future is simply immanent in the present, and the people who understand this are depicted as literal prophets. Based on this, we can understand that Sarah Connor is a false prophet whose visions in T2 are merely nightmares. While she has arguably prevented a specific nuclear conflict, she hasn't actually stopped the apocalypse. Terminator G is one of the many films to have picked up on this fact. It shows that the scar-faced John Conner from T2's opening future-war scene, hyped as the savior of humanity, is a false savior: an Antichrist. (In more specific terms, we can say that Satan appropriated the John Connor savior narrative. Why not let Connor save humanity? That way, Cyberdyne can rebrand itself as a humanitarian corporation.)
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:When confronted with a time-travel narrative, there are two standard responses. So is the T-X the Whore of Babylon?
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Nov 22, 2015 03:47
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SA search and Google have failed me - did Genisys not even warrant its own discussion thread?
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Dec 6, 2015 20:26
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You're here. You have answered your own question.
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JohnnySavs posted:SA search and Google have failed me - did Genisys not even warrant its own discussion thread? Why start a new one when we already had this active discussion going?
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Dec 6, 2015 22:44
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thread title change to 'Genysis what Nintendisn't'
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JohnnySavs posted:SA search and Google have failed me - did Genisys not even warrant its own discussion thread? It wasn't even worthy of it's own movie.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:thread title change to 'Genysis what Nintendisn't' Maybe "Genysis does what Skynetendon't" works, too.
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Sockser posted:Hey gang. I just watched T5. I thought it was pretty good and I'm bummed that ticket sales were poo poo so we'll never know where pops came from. That's too bad. There's some really interesting stuff in there if you're actually interested in the art of storytelling and themes and pretty much the base instincts that exist in all man. It's much more intellectually stimulating than xenomrph's posts, which pretty much amount to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-geUcA77c&t=22s
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ruddiger posted:That's too bad. There's some really interesting stuff in there if you're actually interested in the art of storytelling and themes and pretty much the base instincts that exist in all man. Wait did you just quote a month old post in a thread that hadn't been posted in in three weeks so you could use it as an excuse to call me out for no reason? 
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Xenomrph's posts are intellectually honest though, which is far more important. If Xenomrph says "actually guys T3 was not all that bad and here's why I think so" it's because he actually thinks T3 was not all that bad, not because "oh this will really rile up those fanboy nerds".
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Network Pesci posted:Xenomrph's posts are intellectually honest though, which is far more important. If Xenomrph says "actually guys T3 was not all that bad and here's why I think so" it's because he actually thinks T3 was not all that bad, not because "oh this will really rile up those fanboy nerds". It's a bit conspiratorial to think that people who disagree with you are doing so just to rile you up.
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computer parts posted:It's a bit conspiratorial to think that people who disagree with you are doing so just to rile you up. Have you ever posted in BSS ot TV IV?
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Dec 25, 2015 20:42
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ruddiger posted:That's too bad. There's some really interesting stuff in there if you're actually interested in the art of storytelling and themes and pretty much the base instincts that exist in all man. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH hahahaha hahahah hahaha haha hheheehhehehehe haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Man that was a great joke post
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computer parts posted:It's a bit conspiratorial to think that people who disagree with you are doing so just to rile you up. Some people might see it as intellectually dishonest, but to each their own.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH hahahaha hahahah hahaha haha hheheehhehehehe haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Classic atheist response. Network Pesci posted:Xenomrph's posts are intellectually honest though, which is far more important. There's nothing intellectually honest about that guys posts. They drip of desperation and denial, and end up reading like ocd ramblings of a person who needs to fit every piece of a puzzle into its exact proper place, and if it doesn't fit the exact way he wants it, he'll cut off the corners to make it fit. There's nothing interesting about his 2+2=4 logic because movies aren't math and there's more to the art of storytelling than the same stupid c-word bullshit, but if you like hearing the same boring "hey didja know" trivia that keeps getting repeated in these threads, by all means. I personally like going into movies with a different mindset when watching something for the 182nd time. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Dec 25, 2015 |
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Dec 25, 2015 23:23
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Way to be a jerk, ruddiger.
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Dec 25, 2015 23:37
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ruddiger posted:Classic atheist response. I mean poo poo you are angry about posts on the Internet, and making angry posts on Christmas of all days. Chill the gently caress out and go watch a movie you like or something, Jesus.
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Dec 25, 2015 23:46
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I still love you Xeno.
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Dec 25, 2015 23:53
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Xenomrph owns at the very least because he isn't guy 999 out of 1000 trying to win the biggest prick in the world contest.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Xenomrph owns at the very least because he isn't guy 999 out of 1000 trying to win the biggest prick in the world contest. Well considering the lifetime trophy for that is on my mantle it would be a waste of time.
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Dec 26, 2015 00:02
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Some of you people take movies about robot shootymans far to seriously IMHO.
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Rhyno posted:Well considering the lifetime trophy for that is on my mantle it would be a waste of time. No days off my friend.
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Xenomrph posted:SMG actively does this, though. He posts contrarian things because he knows it'll get people thinking and talking, not because it's actually what he believes. He'll flat out contradict himself over the course of the thread if his myriad readings will generate discussion. Actually, those are your fantasies.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Actually, those are your fantasies. Eh, I'm unconvinced.
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