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How long until Showtime fights again?
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90 days 5 5.68%
6 months 18 20.45%
1 year 25 28.41%
stripped of title 40 45.45%
Total: 88 votes
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Northjayhawk
Mar 8, 2008

by exmarx
Pettis corner thinks he has both rounds.

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Northjayhawk
Mar 8, 2008

by exmarx

Tezcatlipoca posted:

This means gently caress-all.

That is not correct.

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

Northjayhawk posted:

Pettis corner thinks he has both rounds.

oh well than you're right now shut the gently caress up

Dangersim
Sep 4, 2011

:qq:He expended too much energy and got tired:qq:

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS

Northjayhawk posted:

Pettis landed a couple nice submission attempts from his back, and hurt him with upkicks. Hobar didn't do much of anything, and when the sub attempts failed, Pettis got up without much trouble.

He didn't hurt him and that's not how fights are scored.

Street Horrrsing
Mar 24, 2010

Godwalker of The Grateful Prisoner



Wow hobar got hosed up. He was lucky to survive the round, but holy hell

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

I hope Tomas Rios is watching and getting mad right now

freud mayweather
Jan 29, 2009

this is my first exposure to lil pettis. is he always this fun to watch?

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009

Northjayhawk posted:

That is not correct.

Please tell us why failing submissions should be scored favorably.

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

freud mayweather posted:

this is my first exposure to lil pettis. is he always this fun to watch?

yes. flyweight needs him and he needs flyweight.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Northjayhawk posted:

Pettis landed a couple nice submission attempts from his back, and hurt him with upkicks.

Right.

quote:

Hobar didn't do much of anything

Wrong.

Bubba Smith
Sep 27, 2004

Is tonight the greatest moment in Dominick Cruz's life?

No.

The greatest moment in my life was realizing that I didn't need a belt to be happy.

freud mayweather posted:

this is my first exposure to lil pettis. is he always this fun to watch?

Yep. But he's never going to get out of his brother's shadow.

Grandmaster.flv
Jun 24, 2011

freud mayweather posted:

this is my first exposure to lil pettis. is he always this fun to watch?

The Bruce Leroy fight was pretty fun

Dangersim
Sep 4, 2011

:qq:He expended too much energy and got tired:qq:

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS

Tezcatlipoca posted:

Please tell us why failing submissions should be scored favorably.

I agree with you but a "threatening and active guard" is a scoring criteria.

Lord Waffle Beard
Dec 7, 2013
I didn't watch the prelims

Dangersim
Sep 4, 2011

:qq:He expended too much energy and got tired:qq:

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS

Lord Waffle Beard posted:

I didn't watch the prelims

they were good

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Tezcatlipoca posted:

Please tell us why failing submissions should be scored favorably.

Threatening with submission attempts is considered a part of fight area (octogon) control in the unified rules.

Northjayhawk
Mar 8, 2008

by exmarx

Tezcatlipoca posted:

Please tell us why failing submissions should be scored favorably.

I'm saying they are not literally worth zero. In terms of game theory its not all or nothing where if you don't actually submit, then the judges don't even see it as if you never did anything, if you land a very tight submission attempt and come very close to getting it, the judges will consider that.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
Submission attempts that come close are actually supposed to be scored; it's just that they don't get scored more favorably than the repeated punches and elbows Hobar landed from the top of the guard, and they definitely don't get scored more favorably than multiple knockdowns

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Reebok vs East Hampton Sandwich Company

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

What the gently caress was that post-backflip poo poo.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Pretty Lady Blob posted:

Threatening with submission attempts is considered a part of fight area (octogon) control in the unified rules.

No it isn't, it's considered part of effective grappling.

woozy pawsies
Nov 26, 2007

Well, 1 judge gave it 30-27 for Sergio.

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009

Northjayhawk posted:

if you land a very tight submission and come very close to getting it

Yeah but this didn't happen.

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

fatherdog posted:

No it isn't, it's considered part of effective grappling.

No really, I know it sounds weird but it falls under fighting area control. See section G under Judging: http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations

freud mayweather
Jan 29, 2009

haha, that score.

haha, that dance.

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009
Also, effective grappling is defending submissions, which Hobar did.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot

Pretty Lady Blob posted:

No really, I know it sounds weird but it falls under fighting area control. See section G under Judging: http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations

It's also under F. Read C/D and it will make sense.

Dangersim
Sep 4, 2011

:qq:He expended too much energy and got tired:qq:

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS

Tezcatlipoca posted:

Also, effective grappling is defending submissions, which Hobar did.

"Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard."

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Pretty Lady Blob posted:

Threatening with submission attempts is considered a part of fight area (octogon) control in the unified rules.

Counterpoint: Cassius Clay vs White.

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009

Dangersim posted:

"Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard."

I posit that you cannot effectively grapple if you cannot defend submissions. Despite what the judging guidelines say.

Dangersim
Sep 4, 2011

:qq:He expended too much energy and got tired:qq:

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS

Tezcatlipoca posted:

I posit that you cannot effectively grapple if you cannot defend submissions. Despite what the judging guidelines say.

I knew you were going to say this.

MacDougall
Apr 21, 2008

Definitely Australian
Sergio is pretty good. I think Hobar is probably better than he'll get credit for.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Ashlee Evans-Smith is the one who KO'd Fallon Fox last year. I wonder if Joe is going to be able to help himself from weighing in on that one.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


The Rogan moment of that fight was when Pettis had his fingers in Hobar's eye and Rogan was complaining about the ref warning him for it - "He's trying to cover Hobar's mouth..."

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

colonel_korn posted:

Ashlee Evans-Smith is the one who KO'd Fallon Fox last year. I wonder if Joe is going to be able to help himself from weighing in on that one.

That never happened because according to Joe Rogan a woman could never beat a man.

Joey McChrist
Aug 8, 2005

CommonShore posted:

The Rogan moment of that fight was when Pettis had his fingers in Hobar's eye and Rogan was complaining about the ref warning him for it - "He's trying to cover Hobar's mouth..."

lmao

how were the fightpass prelims otherwise

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009

Dangersim posted:

I knew you were going to say this.

Well it's true.

JHomer722
Jul 30, 2006

And you, you ridiculous people, you expect me to help you.

are prelims always this poorly attended?

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009

JHomer722 posted:

are prelims always this poorly attended?

In Vegas, yeah.

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Belle Isle Tech
Aug 28, 2009
Hey guys anyone care what A.C. Slater thinks about tonights event? Well here's a tweet he made about it anyways to fill half of the screen.

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