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Astro Nut posted:...You know considering it all, that is a curious question. I mean, yes, its 'easier' to write in female nudity around the courtesans and such of the time period, but even then, most of the men still have their clothes on whilst they're going at it, and it couldn't be that difficult to throw in say, a bathhouse scene featuring just dudes. Or maybe Marco getting a fresh set of clothes after a hard day's training. Sure, they'd be a bit contrived, but that didn't stop the show on the other end of things now did it? On another note... Do you really wanna see a bunch of dicks on tv other than on Cspan?
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Dalael posted:On another note... Spartacus' writers ensured there was a pretty high dicks/hour ratio throughout that series
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Astro Nut posted:...You know considering it all, that is a curious question. I mean, yes, its 'easier' to write in female nudity around the courtesans and such of the time period, but even then, most of the men still have their clothes on whilst they're going at it, and it couldn't be that difficult to throw in say, a bathhouse scene featuring just dudes. Or maybe Marco getting a fresh set of clothes after a hard day's training. Sure, they'd be a bit contrived, but that didn't stop the show on the other end of things now did it? It's harder to argue for nudity if it is clearly only one gender having to do it, yup. We saw Kublai being ridden and a few shirtless guys but nothing to the level the women had to portray. I can only assume Netflix figured it was only going to attract largely male audiences.
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Josh Lyman posted:Dildos have been around for a long, LONG time. If QI have their facts right (and they probably do, but they are at least occasionally wrong) then the ancient Greeks used to shove bread up there, male and females. And they were probably not the first to do so. Also, my read on Khutulun banging Marco was that she hosed him simply because no-one else in the village/trible would do so, out of fear of reprisal from her father given that he had decreed no-one could gently caress her unless they beat her and he was fairly highly placed on the totem pole. In walks Marco with no idea who she is, so once she finds out that he's at least half way intelligent, capable and attractive, she fucks him - because she's horny and wants to know what sex is, since what teenager, male or female doesn't? She did it right then and there because she didn't want to wait any longer for fear he too would learn who her father was and refuse to lay with her once he did. She couldn't be seen walking around with him, couldn't tell him her name for fear he'd know it, couldn't arrange to meet later for fear he'd learn her identity in the meantime and so on. So yea, horny teenager - just not a stupid horny teenager I guess, at least to me. She just wanted to gently caress, because what person doesn't? And literally no-one else would because of her father.
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tsob posted:If QI have their facts right (and they probably do, but they are at least occasionally wrong) then the ancient Greeks used to shove bread up there, male and females. And they were probably not the first to do so. Yeah, that scene actually didn't bother me that much for those reasons. Her just wanting to gently caress a stranger because it wasn't allowed within her tribe didn't make me take her any less seriously, as some mentioned. She was still pretty badass. Also, I was just happy to see a wide variety of body types in that one harem nude scene instead of a bunch of perfect Hollywood extras. Is it totally sad that I call that a win for feminism?
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Dalael posted:Naked Kublai Khan for the win! I got your stately pleasure dome right here 
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tsob posted:If QI have their facts right (and they probably do, but they are at least occasionally wrong) then the ancient Greeks used to shove bread up there, male and females. And they were probably not the first to do so. I'm leaning more toward that she heard there was a cultured, well traveled foreigner around and figured she'd have herself a piece of that action. She's sexually aggressive because it fits in with the rest of her (aggressive, independent) personality. It is out of nowhere, but not exactly unheard of. (What is unrealistic is that after Khutulun, Marco Polo would fall in love with that boring drip of a Blue Princess. God that subplot was awful.) As for nudity, I think a bit more balance (again, Spartacus had a pretty high incidence of dicks on screen) would be nice. Also, that the naked people actually get a chance to have a personality and agency of their own, instead of being surprisingly realistic sex dolls to look pretty on screen (and also die). That's the difference between, say, Mei Lin stripping before she takes out those three horny guards (as gratuitous as it was) and any number of harem scenes.
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Are we convinced Khutulun has sex with Marco or just dry humped the gently caress out of him because she is a horny bitch.? I've watched it a couple of times and they are both wearing pants. she just gets up and walks off. I'm putting it out there that she was teasing him for a good old laugh.
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Rocksicles posted:Are we convinced Khutulun has sex with Marco or just dry humped the gently caress out of him because she is a horny bitch.?
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Not buying that shitfuckshit theory gaffa, what else you got?
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You know I was OK with this show (not terrible, not great) up until the last episode when Marco invents the counter-weight trebuchet and becomes the white savior of the mongol horde. What a loving travesty.
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That's what he claims in his actual book. Then again he wasn't actually with the Mongols at the time of the siege.
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The Persians were using trebuchets already, the Chinese invented the idea.
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Rocksicles posted:The Persians were using trebuchets already, the Chinese invented the idea. Are you sure they didn't reverse engineer the idea then sell it at a much lower price?
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Ugh it's got MADE IN CATHAY stamped all over it.
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WastedJoker posted:Are you sure they didn't reverse engineer the idea then sell it at a much lower price? 
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This thread once again reminds me that a whole lotta people put a whole lotta work into not enjoying television.
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What is the generally accepted opinion about the accuracy of Macro Polo's story? I remember watching a documentary on Netflix that basically said it was probably all a bunch of crap, and the dude made it up based on stories her heard in Persia, if he ever actually existed at all. I've since learned that this theory is mostly considered bullshit, but at the same time, it's hard to take any 700 year old account without a huge grain of salt. Some more equality in nudity would be nice, but to be fair to the producers, first, the women are (mostly) treated as sexual objects and expected to be naked more often to entertain the men, based on my limited understanding of history that sounds pretty accurate. And second, it's easier to have naked ladies without explicitly showing genitalia, which is still only done sparingly, for the most part. Vorgen posted:This thread once again reminds me that a whole lotta people put a whole lotta work into not enjoying television. This should be the summary of TV IV.
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Fister Roboto posted:You know I was OK with this show (not terrible, not great) up until the last episode when Marco invents the counter-weight trebuchet and becomes the white savior of the mongol horde. What a loving travesty. What's wrong with this? I mean, it's a well known fact white people made every good invention in history.
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I'm also really upset that this TV show about another time and another place doesn't support my particular brand of sociopolitical dogma. Because as we all know, Genghis Khan was a huge supporter of my particular brand of sociopolitical dogma. Furthermore, not using a historical drama about him as a mouthpiece to further my sociopolitical agenda is a travesty, I tell you, a TRAVESTY! And I will not stand for it. Instead I will let this minor quibble get in the way of liking Asian boobies and kung fu.
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I think you mean socio-political catma.
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Dalael posted:On another note... Yeah sure, why not? Dicks are pretty neat. ded posted:I enjoyed the show. Vorgen posted:This thread once again reminds me that a whole lotta people put a whole lotta work into not enjoying television. I enjoyed the show, and now I'm enjoying picking it apart. 
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Vorgen posted:This thread once again reminds me that a whole lotta people put a whole lotta work into not enjoying television. I wanted to enjoy it, and there were parts I did enjoy (any scene with Kublai), but the ending was hot garbage.
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counterfeitsaint posted:What is the generally accepted opinion about the accuracy of Macro Polo's story? I remember watching a documentary on Netflix that basically said it was probably all a bunch of crap, and the dude made it up based on stories her heard in Persia, if he ever actually existed at all. I've since learned that this theory is mostly considered bullshit, but at the same time, it's hard to take any 700 year old account without a huge grain of salt. If I recall correctly, I think the general stance is that Polo's book is accurate generally, but there's likely some mix of embellishment, convenient omission, and/or simple lack of information, whether due to Polo's ignorance or not properly relaying what he'd seen to the fellow he shared a cell with. Good enough for broad details and names of people, perhaps, but one should apply at least some scrutiny to how he described specific events playing out. People weigh up his potential biases - or lack of 'em - in a number of ways. On one level, he was a European telling his story for people who would never go anywhere near the Yuan dynasty, which left him plenty of security against contemporary scrutiny. On the other hand, Venice was already seeking active trade with the various Mongol khanates, and Marco himself having travelled there whilst relatively young wouldn't have given him, say, the same level of distaste for them that a former Crusader might have. Part of the issue is that little is known of Polo himself, in either personality or what others thought of him, so it makes judging him beyond social assumptions rather difficult.
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Vorgen posted:I'm also really upset that this TV show about another time and another place doesn't support my particular brand of sociopolitical dogma. Because as we all know, Genghis Khan was a huge supporter of my particular brand of sociopolitical dogma. Furthermore, not using a historical drama about him as a mouthpiece to further my sociopolitical agenda is a travesty, I tell you, a TRAVESTY! And I will not stand for it. Instead I will let this minor quibble get in the way of liking Asian boobies and kung fu.
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counterfeitsaint posted:What is the generally accepted opinion about the accuracy of Macro Polo's story? I remember watching a documentary on Netflix that basically said it was probably all a bunch of crap, and the dude made it up based on stories her heard in Persia, if he ever actually existed at all. I've since learned that this theory is mostly considered bullshit, but at the same time, it's hard to take any 700 year old account without a huge grain of salt. The book on which the show is based was actually written by a guy named Rustichello da Pisa. At the time Polo returned from his travels, Venice was at war with Genoa. Polo decided to fight in this war and was captured by the Genovans in a skirmish. He spent several months in a prison where he gave Pisa (a fellow inmate) a detailed account of all his travels. When Pisa was released, he incorporated his own tales and anecdotes he had collected about the then-current affairs in China. While he never got a chance to publish it (this was before the printing press), the manuscript started floating around in Europe and was copied and translated over a hundred times. Eventually it became known as the Travels of Marco Polo. So the stories are thought to be generally accurate at a high level. For example, the battle in the show did actually take place -- it was the first battle in China where counter-weight trebuchets were used. But the details of the stories in general differ, sometimes significantly, between the multitudes of copies and translations. Did Polo get laid like a fish in China? Yep. Did he get to gently caress Khutulun? Probably not. (Interestingly enough, neither the scribes of Kublia's court nor Mongol historians who came later bothered to record Khutulun's prowess and exploits in writing, since she was a woman. The only written account of her exists in Pisa's book, and that is thanks to Polo's stories.) Slow News Day fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Fister Roboto posted:You know I was OK with this show (not terrible, not great) up until the last episode when Marco invents the counter-weight trebuchet and becomes the white savior of the mongol horde. What a loving travesty. He didn't invent it, he just reminded the Khan of the weapons Alexander used to get around the "Catapults don't have enough range" issue.
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I really enjoyed this show, focus on mongolia / china is welcome in my books, yes sure the show is cheesy as gently caress but it was very fun to watch and that's all that matters. The kung fu and ninjas were cheesy but sooo good. Any scene with Kubilay and Hundred Eyes was pretty bad rear end. I liked the ending too, I felt that the show doesn't take itself too seriously as an accurate historical drama, and a super cheesy bad guy reveal scene like that is the perfect catalyst for even more over the top craziness. Now all we need is a show about Byzantine palace intrigue and the Ottoman invasion.
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Azmodaii posted:Now all we need is a show about Byzantine palace intrigue and the Ottoman invasion. Endorsed!
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enraged_camel posted:Did Polo get laid like a fish in China? Yep. Because the part someone would most likely lie about is most likely true.
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Azmodaii posted:I really enjoyed this show, focus on mongolia / china is welcome in my books, yes sure the show is cheesy as gently caress but it was very fun to watch and that's all that matters. The kung fu and ninjas were cheesy but sooo good. Any scene with Kubilay and Hundred Eyes was pretty bad rear end. Just note: This time frame is perfect for the mongol invasion of Japan. Imagine Hundred Eyes vs a samurai.
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Astro Nut posted:Just note: This time frame is perfect for the mongol invasion of Japan. Imagine Hundred Eyes vs a ninja. I realize their role and skills in the popular perception doesn't nearly line up with reality, but this show doesn't seem like the kind to care.
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We've had Hundred Eyes fighting fantasy-hashshashins. I'm sure he'll fight fantasty-ninjas too eventually.
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He should fight a dragon. And by that I mean Bruce Lee.
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Cry Havoc posted:Because the part someone would most likely lie about is most likely true. asian girl tits, they feel like a bag of rice
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etalian posted:asian girl tits, they feel like a bag of rice
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Josh Lyman posted:Firm? I always found rice to be cheap, personally.
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Josh Lyman posted:Firm? Great with raw fish on top.
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