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The seed of it was probably planted in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service when Lazenby makes his “this never happened to the other fella!” fourth-wall breaking joke right at the start.
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Szmitten posted:It only exists because the crossdressing director of Die Another Day wanted to find a way to get a Sean Connery cameo that never even materialised and the dumb idea came out of his mouth and stuck around. Also what I said.
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Dec 28, 2014 19:00
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You’re right and I think the producers enjoy making jokes about it now and then just to further rile up people who can’t cope with the idea of fiction. Another reason to hate Die Another Day too.
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Dec 28, 2014 19:02
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Szmitten posted:It only exists because the crossdressing director of Die Another Day wanted to find a way to get a Sean Connery cameo that never even materialised and the dumb idea came out of his mouth and stuck around. Why is the crossdressing part relevant?
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Dec 28, 2014 19:05
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This thread is like Bond's wife. 
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Dec 28, 2014 19:11
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Apples McGrind posted:To be fair, this kind of happens in Quantum of Solace. QoS was the least "Bond" Bond movie though, so it's not surprising it fails to have some of the important tropes of the franchise. At least it has a scene where Bond checks into a hotel, thank god. I love the "checking into the hotel" scenes - they're nearly always unnecessary yet are in just about every movie, often twice.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Why is the crossdressing part relevant? Because its related to the incident where he tried to suck an undercover cop's cock.
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Dec 28, 2014 19:36
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Hah, Bond really is porn for rich people: http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/news/ultimate-guide-spectre-bond-24-products-and-locations
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Hah, Bond really is porn for rich people: http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/news/ultimate-guide-spectre-bond-24-products-and-locations
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The "wah, we have to stick to the source material" argument never really made much sense to me. Connery's Bond is the reason book Bond has Scottish ancestry, and most of the movie Bonds don't match up to the source material description anyway. Like 3 of them don't have blue eyes, not a single one has his facial scar iirc, Craig has blond hair, and none of them have signs of plastic surgery on their hands, either.
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Crackerman posted:I don’t think Tomorrow Never Dies is as terrible as everyone says as long as you go into it as a continuation of Moore’s era. The last half an hour action sequence is poo poo though. Yeah, there's a lot of good in that one (just re-watched it last night, actually) -- the pre-credits sequence is just stellar and Arnold's score is great, but holy poo poo does it start to drag. The motorcycle chase that feels like it lasts for 20 minutes almost immediately followed by a half-hour of stuff on the stealth boat is just exhausting.
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monster on a stick posted:Edit: also, you really want to be progressive? Make Bond an Indian. How many Indian action heroes can you name?
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:The "wah, we have to stick to the source material" argument never really made much sense to me. Connery's Bond is the reason book Bond has Scottish ancestry, and most of the movie Bonds don't match up to the source material description anyway. Like 3 of them don't have blue eyes, not a single one has his facial scar iirc, Craig has blond hair, and none of them have signs of plastic surgery on their hands, either. Not to mention you’ll have a flabby middle-aged man suddenly be built like a brick shithouse from one film to the next. The drastically different interpretations of a single character by different actors and creative teams is fascinating and a huge part of the appeal (for me) of the franchise. Timby posted:Yeah, there's a lot of good in that one (just re-watched it last night, actually) -- the pre-credits sequence is just stellar and Arnold's score is great, but holy poo poo does it start to drag. The motorcycle chase that feels like it lasts for 20 minutes almost immediately followed by a half-hour of stuff on the stealth boat is just exhausting. The highlight of the bike chase is Brosnan and Yeoh fighting over who is going to drive.
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I like that in Tomorrow Never Dies Wai Linn really can hold her own. Halle Berry made a lot of noise about Jynx being the first badass Bond girl but Linn was first and more badness than her.
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Dec 28, 2014 20:49
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My favorite Bond movie is Dystram Always Posts Twice
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Ave Azaria posted:My favorite Bond movie is Dystram Always Quotes Twice Ave Azaria posted:My favorite Bond movie is Dystram Always Quotes Twice
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rejutka posted:This thread is like Bond's wife. Sorry, I'll be posting a write up for From Russia With Love either tomorrow or Tuesday. Holiday weekend, and all. But I watched it. Here's a preview: it's really loving good, guys.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:42
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Yeah, while Goldfinger was the one that cemented the Bond 'formula,' From Russia With Love has got to be one of the best spy films ever made, bar none.
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Hi, huge Bond fan here; I'm down with Idris being Bond, because Idris is awesome. Also, I was down with Craig too. And I'd never even seen the dude in a movie before Casino Royale. So you know I'm cool and down with cool things. Yo. don't lump me with the racists 
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ReV VAdAUL posted:I like that in Tomorrow Never Dies Wai Linn really can hold her own. Halle Berry made a lot of noise about Jynx being the first badass Bond girl but Linn was first and more badness than her. I was about to say ‘apparently she’d never seen A View to a Kill’ but then I remembered May Day eventually falls in love with a 78 year old ginger British man.
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Excited to read a review of From Russia With Love because the its always stood out to me as a film I didn't enjoy anywhere nearly as much as I felt like I should have. The only thing I want from the next Bond is somebody young and charismatic enough to convincingly pull off stunts and drinking without looking like a sad uncle for 4-5 movies before getting replaced. They can be an ethnic group so unheard of to the U.K. that there is no word for it in English and as long as they can quip a little and throw a punch without giving me flashbacks to the end of Moore's career it'll be grand.
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Does anyone know why Dalton only got 2 movies? I honestly thought he was great.
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The franchise went on a sort of hiatus after License to Kill, which didn’t do too well at the box office. I think he was generally not well liked because he was a lot meaner and colder than Moore, who had been Bond for 600 years at that point and everyone was used to a silly, campy Bond. After lots of failed attempts at scripts and getting a film made Goldeneye finally came along and was offered to Dalton, but I think, if I remember right, he turned it down. Also Anthony Hopkins was supposed to be Trevelyan.
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Tomahawk posted:Does anyone know why Dalton only got 2 movies? I honestly thought he was great. The gap between License to Kill and Goldeneye was too long. If he had come on a movie earlier and done A View To A Kill, that might have been something special. That one was so silly and I think he could have grounded it with his "serious Bond" style.
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Rupert Everett would've made an excellent Bond when he was in his prime. But he was gay, but since it's actually pretty easy to disguise being gay in films (hint: it involves using less makeup, in particular gay eyeliner and the thing used for plumping eye lashes is a dead giveaway). It's like a gay beard, but for celluloid. It's harder to disguise a black guy, unless they just say that Idi is like a black albino and use whitening cream or powder.
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gohuskies posted:The gap between License to Kill and Goldeneye was too long. If he had come on a movie earlier and done A View To A Kill, that might have been something special. That one was so silly and I think he could have grounded it with his "serious Bond" style. The major problem with View is how much it drags. It feels like they weren't sure what tone to go with and there's a lot of padding. (Also they manage to completely waste San Francisco as a location, which takes some doing.)
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The Ipcress File is neat if you want to watch a spy movie that's basically the total opposite of the James Bond franchise. It came out the same year as Thunderball but is pretty much the antithesis of that sort of thing while still being really fun in its own way. Funny thing is, a lot of the production team from the early Bond movies worked on this one, including Harry Saltzman and John Barry.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The major problem with View is how much it drags. It feels like they weren't sure what tone to go with and there's a lot of padding. (Also they manage to completely waste San Francisco as a location, which takes some doing.) The problem with A View to a Kill is that the opening credits are the coolest '80s Bond to ever kick rear end in the '80s, and there's nothing in the rest of the movie that can top that. I'd rather just watch the titles for 2 hours.
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Antisamitism posted:The problem with A View to a Kill is that the opening credits are the coolest '80s Bond to ever kick rear end in the '80s, and there's nothing in the rest of the movie that can top that. I'd rather just watch the titles for 2 hours. Yeah it's pretty much straight downhill after Duran Duran. It's funny, if you gave me the question "could a black man play James Bond" I'd say it'd be hard to pull off with the character's roots in a very privileged patriarchal structure, etc. You give me the question "Could Idris Elba play James Bond" and I say gently caress Yes. Hell I'd let him play Queen Isabella of Spain.
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Antisamitism posted:The problem with A View to a Kill is that the opening credits are the coolest '80s Bond to ever kick rear end in the '80s, and there's nothing in the rest of the movie that can top that. I'd rather just watch the titles for 2 hours. yeah you pretty much have this badass loving title sequence contrasted with grandpa roger wearing different kinds of women's sunglasses   but its still one of my favorites
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FiftySeven posted:Do you really think it doesn't matter? Think of the character you are most attached to in fiction. Wouldn't you be a bit put off if an author/writer decided to change established fundamentals of the character for the sake of it? As an example, Harry Potter was pretty much my favourite book series when I was growing up. If Warner Bros decided to remake the series as a new set of films where Harry was no longer a young white British Boy but instead was a young Spanish kid instead, I would have some serious questions to ask about the direction they would be taking the franchise in. But using your argument, the writer clicks his fingers and we all have to be fine with it instantly? I really don't think its as sensible an argument as you are trying to present it to be. This is a fair point, but the character's skin color is a "fundamental" that doesn't actually matter at all. When you think Bond, the first things that come to mind are tuxedo, martini, Walther PPK, sexist attitude, cool car. Can you imagine Idris Elba in a tuxedo, drinking a martini with one hand and holding a Walther PPK with the other, with an Aston Martin behind him and a woman being oppressed somewhere in the shot? If so, congrats, you have a black James Bond.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:I like that in Tomorrow Never Dies Wai Linn really can hold her own. Halle Berry made a lot of noise about Jynx being the first badass Bond girl but Linn was first and more badness than her. God, I hope Grace Jones heard about Berry saying that and went and gave her an earful.
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Grendels Dad posted:God, I hope Grace Jones heard about Berry saying that and went and gave her an earful. Academy Award Winning Halle Berry is so far up her own arse that I hope Grace Jones loving kicked it.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:This is a fair point, but the character's skin color is a "fundamental" that doesn't actually matter at all. When you think Bond, the first things that come to mind are tuxedo, martini, Walther PPK, sexist attitude, cool car. Can you imagine Idris Elba in a tuxedo, drinking a martini with one hand and holding a Walther PPK with the other, with an Aston Martin behind him and a woman being oppressed somewhere in the shot? If so, congrats, you have a black James Bond. Except Elba explicitly said he doesn't want to be the "black James Bond." Bond maybe, but presumably for his merits as an actor rather than people wanting a black Bond for whatever reason. And there is a lot of that in this thread.
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Kin posted:Academy Award Winning Halle Berry is so far up her own arse that I hope Grace Jones loving kicked it. One of the small joys I got from watching the new X-Men movie was seeing Berry get reduced to about 3 lines (She was ego tripping hard on X2). It's amazing how quickly she burned into nothingness.
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Harry Potter couldn't be spanish except by extraction, but he could be a black kid without any big problems I can think of. Even easier than Bond since he's less connected to the Establishment.
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Dr No and From Russia with Love are really my main favourite Bond movies, I like Bond as spy, not Bond as action hero (though The Living Daylights is great) Thinking more about it I would put the first and perhaps second of each Bond as my favourites: Dr No Russia With Love On Her Majesties Secret Service Live and Let Die The Living Daylights Goldeneye Casino Royale They are really the essential movies, I think. Funny that every time they reboot with a new actor they get a new interesting formula which gets ruined by successive movies. You could add Goldfinger to that but I don't really like it.
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