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Cheez posted:The book was designed specifically to make nerds stop talking about Zelda timelines. It failed. I honestly think it was made because the claim that a Zelda timeline did in fact exist was a complete and total bluff and Zelda fans finally called Nintendo on it enough that they were forced to try and come up with something.
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Neruz posted:I honestly think it was made because the claim that a Zelda timeline did in fact exist was a complete and total bluff and Zelda fans finally called Nintendo on it enough that they were forced to try and come up with something. The thing is, they used to say there was no timeline. Then they turned around and said they did. Then the book appeared.
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Jan 4, 2015 08:38
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There's always been sort of a timeline, at least since Ocarina of Time was clearly about the backstory of Link to the Past. Hard to deny the connection there. But, some games were fit neatly into a timeline while others are more like a different story that happens to fit in the Zelda genre.
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Jan 4, 2015 12:45
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Minish Cap is clearly a prequel to Ocarina of Time as well. As much as Nintendo didn't really think about the chronology of the series in the grand scheme of things, there definitely were certain games that were intended to be set either before or after other games in the series.
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Jan 4, 2015 14:08
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gently caress the timeline. It's all separate worlds.
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Jan 4, 2015 15:19
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Rigged Death Trap posted:gently caress the timeline. That's the thing, it's out there now in book form, so Nintendo's kinda locked themselves to it, lets hope the Mario Historia isn't next. 
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Jan 4, 2015 15:25
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Judge Tesla posted:Lets hope the Mario Historia isn't next. All the Marios happen within the scope of a few days. Mushrooms are known to distort the sensation of time. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Jan 4, 2015 15:30
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Rigged Death Trap posted:gently caress the timeline. But several of the games mention the other games by name. Kinda hard to just ignore.
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Jan 4, 2015 17:34
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The Hyrule timeline was set by people in Nintendo gathered around a Pachinko machine with the balls all labeled with different games. The CD-I ones were set on the other end of the table away from everything else and they just attached connectors to whatever came out.
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Jan 4, 2015 17:47
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Kind of seems like Hyrule is screwed in every timeline though. Strange to think Windwaker is the most optimistic one as it's a rebirth of Hyrule of sorts.
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Jan 4, 2015 19:29
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Rigged Death Trap posted:All the Marios happen within the scope of a few days. Mario has PTSD, all the sequels are just him re-living the first few games over and over in flashbacks with his memory fudging some details each time.
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Jan 4, 2015 19:58
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The can fix the mess of Hyrule Historia by just claiming the next Zelda game is a reboot of the entire franchise, starting the madness all over again.
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Jan 5, 2015 01:23
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Cartheon posted:The can fix the mess of Hyrule Historia by just claiming the next Zelda game is a reboot of the entire franchise, starting the madness all over again. That would be really dumb and would just end up alienating their fans though?
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Jan 5, 2015 09:52
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The only fans it'll alienate are the ones nobody wants to be associated with.
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Jan 5, 2015 10:56
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Cheez posted:The only fans it'll alienate are the ones nobody wants to be associated with. Yeah, no, there's actually a thing with something having a solid backstory having a bit better ground to stand on compared to something that is a complete blank slate. Besides, I don't really see what a reboot would give the series that it doesn't already have?
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Jan 5, 2015 11:15
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Rigged Death Trap posted:All the Marios happen within the scope of a few days. Actually the red mushrooms Mario eats look similar to a real life mushroom that is known for causing hallucinations that screw up perception of size when ingested. 
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Mordaedil posted:Yeah, no, there's actually a thing with something having a solid backstory having a bit better ground to stand on compared to something that is a complete blank slate. Besides, I don't really see what a reboot would give the series that it doesn't already have? Considering no Zelda game uses that solid backstory to stand on and gives you all the information you need then and there in the game. They were intended to be standalone but very loosely connected. Like two different plays using the same characters and props. What does the series gain from being interconnected beyond fulfilling that quintessential nerd need to have everything have an in-universe explanation and for it all to fit together?
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Jan 5, 2015 12:17
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Considering no Zelda game uses that solid backstory to stand on and gives you all the information you need then and there in the game. Like it or not, it's there now, Nintendo have released not only a timeline, but an entire book detailing it down to the small details, I'll agree that it didn't need to exist but it does now.
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Jan 5, 2015 12:43
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Considering no Zelda game uses that solid backstory to stand on and gives you all the information you need then and there in the game. "I don't like it, so they should change it, because nobody will care if they change it" is your argument, but really, there isn't any incentive for Nintendo to actually go back now that they've made an official statement of how they are connected.
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Jan 5, 2015 12:46
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Mordaedil posted:"I don't like it, so they should change it, because nobody will care if they change it" is your argument, but really, there isn't any incentive for Nintendo to actually go back now that they've made an official statement of how they are connected. It's not that I don't like it. It serves no purpose, adds no extra flavor bar some trivia that does not matter within the scope of each game. When no game in the series affects another's story what is the payoff from saying they are connected? Not that Zelda games are some bastion of good writing, mind. Wait no it did do something. It sold a book.
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Who the gently caress really cares though in the grand scheme of things? We are talking about a series where the original game was the first chronologically, but then A Link to the Past was, no wait Ocarina of Time was, poo poo Minish Cap totally is though.... wait, wait, Skyward Sword is now. Hyrule Historia was a revenue making way to attempt to get dumb nerds to stop asking about the official timeline and hopefully stop nerding out on this crap so much already. It didn't achieve the latter and it's far from stopping them from putting the next game in the series where ever the gently caress chronologically they feel like. Also I am jumping on the bandwagon that says this remake looks nice and can't wait for MM to get the same treatment in a couple of months.
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Mordaedil posted:"I don't like it, so they should change it, because nobody will care if they change it" is your argument, but really, there isn't any incentive for Nintendo to actually go back now that they've made an official statement of how they are connected. Okay, lemme try snarking Rigged Death Trap's point and seeing if that helps. 'Obviously, knowing that Skyward Sword takes place during Minish Cap which itself is happening concurrently as Phantom Hourglass which oddly enough ends just seven minutes before Ocarina of Time begins helps improve the incredible Legend of Zelda series's cumulative quality tenfold.  '"Totally a Rigged Death Trap" posted:Okay, so now we have a list of which game came before/after the others.
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RareAcumen posted:Okay, lemme try snarking Rigged Death Trap's point and seeing if that helps. Crawfish posted:Hyrule Historia was a revenue making way to attempt to get dumb nerds to stop asking about the official timeline and hopefully stop nerding out on this crap so much already. It didn't achieve the latter and it's far from stopping them from putting the next game in the series where ever the gently caress chronologically they feel like. People seem to assume Nintendo thinks like they do, which I feel might not actually be the case. They probably didn't release a book on Zelda timelines to get nerds to stop nerding, but to get the average Joe to talk about it too and share in it to create a meta-myth of the series. At the end of the day though, it really doesn't matter what we say in here, Nintendo is just going to keep doing the series as they want to and I have a hard time seeing a reboot being the way they go with it.
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Mordaedil posted:People seem to assume Nintendo thinks like they do, which I feel might not actually be the case. They probably didn't release a book on Zelda timelines to get nerds to stop nerding, but to get the average Joe to talk about it too and share in it to create a meta-myth of the series. You say that, but Nintendo was getting really tired of people asking them about the Zelda timeline and telling them "there is no timeline" again and again.
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Cheez posted:You say that, but Nintendo was getting really tired of people asking them about the Zelda timeline and telling them "there is no timeline" again and again. You say that as if you work at Nintendo. Also, you are the nerd that complain about dodongo hates smoke. You are the type of nerd who would miss this poo poo.
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Mordaedil posted:You say that as if you work at Nintendo. Also, you are the nerd that complain about dodongo hates smoke. You are the type of nerd who would miss this poo poo. I could say the same about you, claiming Nintendo wants to cultivate the 'meta-myth' in public view. Mordaedil posted:People seem to assume Nintendo thinks like they do, which I feel might not actually be the case. They probably didn't release a book on Zelda timelines to get nerds to stop nerding, but to get the average Joe to talk about it too and share in it to create a meta-myth of the series.
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Mordaedil posted:You say that as if you work at Nintendo. Also, you are the nerd that complain about dodongo hates smoke. You are the type of nerd who would miss this poo poo.
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Okay now you all need to shut the gently caress up. E: Oh, the things I do to have a thread that's actually active. (From Twitter:) 
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Jan 5, 2015 19:22
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When I wished you a more active thread, thorn, I didn't mean it like this. I'm sorry if I jinxed it somehow.  As I mentioned on one of the videos though, I like the idea of a sociopathic
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Jan 5, 2015 19:40
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Groose really is the hero that Hyrule deserves.
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Question: is the game engine for the 3DS version the same from the original version? I mean, it looks the same, but the added animations skew my perception. Also, 4 items at once, and the ocarina now has its own dedicated button? Makes me wonder.
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ThornBrain posted:Okay now you all need to shut the gently caress up. I told you the Monkey's paw was a bad idea: Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Seriously which pharaoh's tomb did you desecrate to make your non-Zelda threads so inactive?)
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bman in 2288 posted:Question: is the game engine for the 3DS version the same from the original version? I mean, it looks the same, but the added animations skew my perception. The engine is essentially the same (or at least very close to the original) but from what I understand they "recreated" it rather than straight up ported it. They changed some stuff like the frequency of collision detection and such, but seeing how they apparently had to actually "implement" some of the old bugs and unwittingly created new ones on the side, I suspect they basically wrote a new engine while using the old one more as a reference rather than reimplementing the old one line for line as close as they could have.
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Odds are the old engine was intrinsically tied to the N64 hardware so I would expect they'd have had to rebuild it from scratch using the old one as reference.
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Mordaedil posted:Yeah, no, there's actually a thing with something having a solid backstory having a bit better ground to stand on compared to something that is a complete blank slate. Besides, I don't really see what a reboot would give the series that it doesn't already have? I was jesting. It was why I included the "starting the madness all over again" comment.
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Cartheon posted:I was jesting. It was why I included the "starting the madness all over again" comment. It got kinda hard to tell in here, but you're alright. 
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Judge Tesla posted:That's the thing, it's out there now in book form, so Nintendo's kinda locked themselves to it, lets hope the Mario Historia isn't next. http://www.lemmykoopa.com/lk1-5.html
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Noooo don't bring this back up.
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Woah mama, now that site's a blast from the past, I've not visited that place since 2003 and it looks exactly the same now as it did then.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S6ZJZER2Iw Anyone want to buy my Link Between Worlds edition to fund my getting this awesomeness? Seriously, they stepped up the quality big time, that one just had a big triforce on it.
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