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uranus posted:##vote assina Derp don't be dumb FV is the problem
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Jan 14, 2015 00:23
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assina was mean to me
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Jan 14, 2015 00:24
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Rarity posted:Why are you unvoting instead of voting for YPM if you're sure he's scum? because i'm trying to work out if KFC is right about derp being scum as well. if that's the case I don't think him and YPM would both go after the same person since D1 Your Personal Muse posted:I still have no clue what dugong's case on me is, but I don't like that he's been on it for so long. well I mean the only person you have voted this game is f_v
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Jan 14, 2015 00:28
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Dugong posted:because i'm trying to work out if KFC is right about derp being scum as well. if that's the case I don't think him and YPM would both go after the same person since D1 I'm not convinced by this, I'm sure you've played enough games to know it's better to try and read players as individuals rather than trying to judge one's alignment on another's unknown alignment.
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Jan 14, 2015 00:32
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dugong you talking crazy talk
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Jan 14, 2015 01:07
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Why are you voting for Asiina, derp? I think you're trying to get rid of someone who is town ##vote derp
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Jan 14, 2015 02:02
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Could someone point me to the case on FV or the posts he's (she's?) made that are worth looking at? I didn't notice much while catching up.
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Jan 14, 2015 02:09
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Isn't derp's vote not a serious vote?
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Jan 14, 2015 02:22
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Amoeba102 posted:Isn't derp's vote not a serious vote? and it's day 3.
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Jan 14, 2015 02:43
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My point is why take him to task over voting for a town player as though he was serious about voting for a town player, when you should take him to task instead for not being serious?
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Jan 14, 2015 03:25
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I'm tossing up between Derp being overt scum as a ploy to avoid being voted: "The whole too scummy to be scum defense, which makes people ask "why would you do that as scum? must be town" And him literally just not caring to play seriously.
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Jan 14, 2015 03:30
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He's clearly been pushing agendas so he's been taking some stake in the game. I don't like how he pushed a case on FV as being more substantive than his gut call based on anonymous masonry chat. But his deadline play around merk is perplexing. I want to say that it's not something even a crazy scum would do, but just saying that makes me feel like I'm falling for a trap.
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Jan 14, 2015 03:46
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I don't think Derp is scum at all. Also hi thread.
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Jan 14, 2015 04:30
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So I meant to reread over the last couple days but I've been getting things ready to move back into the dorms instead. I'll hopefully finish that early tomorrow so I have time to reread in the afternoon
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Jan 14, 2015 05:15
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i was voting assina because she kept leading me to games that are already full.
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Jan 14, 2015 06:38
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kill valary, proove me town.
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Jan 14, 2015 06:38
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uranus posted:i was voting assina because she kept leading me to games that are already full. It's true, the "mafia discussion thread" is full. Also cool hangouts mafia is open to all who want to join at any time.
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Jan 14, 2015 11:29
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I'm stuck on FV for reasons I've discussed and uranus for the merk related behavior and continuing to be basically completely useless on d3. Could consider FV as something of a referendum on uranus but that feels at least potentially unwise. I would also guess that 1 of merk's 3 picks is scum, but I haven't followed up there because chic and Pmom don't feel bussy and I thought dugong's interaction with me felt pretty genuine, so I'm not rating that suspicion very highly. If I followed that assumption I think I'd go with Pmom. I wish I had a handle on more players though. Will try to look over lunch.
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Jan 14, 2015 14:16
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Rarity posted:I'm not convinced by this, I'm sure you've played enough games to know it's better to try and read players as individuals rather than trying to judge one's alignment on another's unknown alignment. Reading players in a vacuum is crazy talk. 1. I thought YPM was scum. 2. I thought KFC was scum recently for the call on merk and derp's interaction 3. KFC shows a 2 year old game where merk and derp pull off a scum with through general weirdness 4. If KFC is right about derp then why would they go after the same person since D1? "yeah uh our tactic is just to try and turbo the same person over and over..."
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Jan 14, 2015 19:19
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Votecount for Day 3  fiery_valkyrie (2): KhyrosFinalCut, Chic Trombone, Pinterest Mom, Your Personal Muse, uranus (2): KhyrosFinalCut, zzyzx (1): Rarity Tremendous Taste (1): Pinterest Mom Amoeba102 (1): Tremendous Taste Asiina (1): uranus KhyrosFinalCut (0): Dugong, Not Voting (8): Allen Wren, Amoeba102, Asiina, Dugong, fiery_valkyrie, Little Mac, Winged Orpheus, zzyzxWith 16 alive, it's 9 votes to lynch. The current deadline is January 15th, 2015 at 7 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 5 hours.
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Jan 14, 2015 19:32
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Dugong posted:well I mean the only person you have voted this game is f_v Have you ever considered that I think FV is scum, hence why I keep voting her? That is a dumb case.
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Jan 14, 2015 19:35
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how in christs good name can you call this thread a vacuum
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Jan 14, 2015 20:03
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Because it sucks. We're at less than 24 hours to deadline, time to put in some effort.
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Jan 15, 2015 03:59
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Reading merk's post history and looking at what he's said about people there are really only 4 people he seemed to make useful comments on: Chic, FV, PMom and Dugong. Chic: Heavy case out of the blocks, seemed to ignore it till reminded then tunnelled without pushing too much. FV: Pretty much ignored until FV was the only other viable lynch. PMom: Called them out then pointed to someone else's case. Dugong: Used one post to eventually case with. The Chic interaction does feel like setting up a 1 v 1 where someone will flip scum to exonerate the other. But that's the vibe from Merk's end because it's hard to read it without knowing it is fake. Chic's posts do feel genuine, however. I feel more like merk was picking Chic as a someone with an easily argued against case so he could have a strong case and then coast on it. It doesn't feel like Chic was in on it. His avoidance of FV some might say is because he didn't want to bus, but I didn't get that. Maybe more like he was being more careful rather than suddenly having an opinion out of nowhere, His call out on PMom is barely anything. He manages to do it backhandedly and call Rarity's case bad at the same time. It's like he wants to call PMom scum without it leading anywehre. Dugong's post is just an easy call out on someone he think would be an easier lynch. I reckon his opinion on PMom is the most telling out of all his content.
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Jan 15, 2015 04:30
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Counterside to this is reading PMom's post history. It all seems mostly on the up and up, but I get the feeling of sometimes they are jumping on things to point out as scummy that don't really feel like it to me. Sure it could just be a difference of opinion, but it could be that they are looking for things to twist. More specifically, the vote on tremendous taste. The post in which PMom votes for TT, there is a little bit about how TT is being contradictory or whatever. TT wasn't being contradictory/ TT had the stated position that it was too soon to call for SK, but because I was more certain of an SK that I was scum hunting for an SK. That's not a contradiction, one was TT's opinion on the game and one was an opinion on how he perceived my actions and mindset. By trying to construe TT as being contradictory PMom has reached too far. There were things about TT's play I would have called sucmmy, but his explanation of leaps of logic make sense as plausible.
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Jan 15, 2015 04:43
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zzyzx posted:If you want to talk about merk's posting history, talk about it. Nobody's stopping you, and I agree that that's the right place to start. Hrm for someone who agreed that this was the right place to start you sure didn't do anything about it. The only thing you've done in the 2 days since this post was ask someone else to summarize the case on FV which I did for amoeba pretty clearly a while ago, and FV being one of the most talked about people in the thread, it's a bit strange that you didn't notice anything anyone said that you felt was worth responding to. Would vote Zzyzx Amoeba, I was trying to figure this out earlier and I like how you're thinking about it. When Pmom seemed to miss that Ernie had flipped was when I got suspicious. Pmom is very vocally against merk's chic case and then hops on merk after Byers' case as only the third vote. That's a seriously pro move bus if that's a bus. Do I give pmom credit for that and think it's more plausibly than the other scummy things we see? Right now my answers are no,
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Jan 15, 2015 05:03
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Can someone reiterate the cases on FV? From what I can tell, derp is tunelling with a gut call, Chic thought the interactions with merk were scummy, and YPM is his day 1 case which, honestly, makes a good amount of sense. But it's a single point case that hasn't been developed since - poo poo if I was playingly D1 I might have notcied it then. Now though it seems like there should be more.
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Jan 15, 2015 05:10
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:was ask someone else to summarize the case on FV which I did for amoeba pretty clearly a while ago, Oh yeah. Then the TT stuff happened and I forgot about it.
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Jan 15, 2015 05:12
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:Amoeba, I was trying to figure this out earlier and I like how you're thinking about it. When Pmom seemed to miss that Ernie had flipped was when I got suspicious. Pmom is very vocally against merk's chic case and then hops on merk after Byers' case as only the third vote. That's a seriously pro move bus if that's a bus. Do I give pmom credit for that and think it's more plausibly than the other scummy things we see? Right now my answers are no, Maybe not; but I was coming at it from the mindset of "Which of merk's interactions were with scum". I felt his call out of PMom was most like a bus than any others and so I loooked at PMom to actually do the case fully. I admit it's pretty weak as the only point I can get PMom's posting is that they appear to be twisting things slightly.
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Jan 15, 2015 05:17
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If I'm to make an ordered list or something it would have: Zzyzx Derp FV PMom Reasons: Zzyzx - Low engagement at this point of the game, no follow throughs, but mostly deadline antics Derp - Overselling his masonry 'evidence', Non-serious posting at this point of the game, and definitely deadline antics FV - No follow through on D1 call out, KFC's points "Fv is scum for prodding people into claiming effects from the map change, then being ludicrously defensive when the idea was even brought up. " PMom - I get a sense of looking for things to call out but not in a genuine way.
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Jan 15, 2015 05:38
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So what I'm saying is: ##vote zzyzx A lurking scum who is dry-by posting.
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Jan 15, 2015 05:41
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:which I did for amoeba pretty clearly a while ago ...that's it?
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Jan 15, 2015 06:10
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Amoeba102 posted:So what I'm saying is: I don't think anybody's particularly engaged, at this point.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:15
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Posting may be light, but I definitely feel an earnest vibe from a few contributors.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:17
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Mmhmm.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:29
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is dry-by some new kind of gin
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Jan 15, 2015 06:43
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I'll give a reread sometime tomorrow evening before deadline. For now I'm putting my vote here ##vote zzyzx Both for end of the day shenanigans and for this post which is bullshit cause he was never voting Byers. zzyzx posted:I thought merk was town and byers was scum trying to pin everybody into a lynch by default, and decided to let it go. Half-right, I guess.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:45
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uranus posted:is dry-by some new kind of gin Whoops. Drive-by posting.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:47
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In fact this was his votezzyzx posted:I think merk's town and Chic is a good scum pick. I've thought that from Somber's initial read, really, which is one of the reasons I figured he'd (Somber) flip town as well. This post is stupid as hell cause zzyzx didn't even join the game until after Somber flipped, so what the hell is the point of the second half of this statement?
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Just a reminder that this is what zzyzx posted right before deadline:zzyzx posted:If uranus wants it he can do it; I don't like it. Not only did he allow town to no-lynch he passed the buck to derp to avoid responsibility as well zzyzx posted:If you want to talk about merk's posting history, talk about it. Nobody's stopping you, and I agree that that's the right place to start. Also I want to point out that despite saying talking about merk's post history is the right thing to do he hasn't actually talked about it one bit.
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