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Willo567 posted:with all the energy people are giving at calling konaka a nazi they could instead be using it to point out what a piece of poo poo oda is for busting out the toriko and kenshin authors Okay so I know the Kenshin author is a pedo, what did the Toriko author do?
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Larryb posted:Hell, the Kenshin author apparently still has a JOB in the manga industry last I checked. so does toriko's, although his last manga bomb spectacuarly
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drrockso20 posted:Okay so I know the Kenshin author is a pedo, what did the Toriko author do? A teeenager.
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drrockso20 posted:Okay so I know the Kenshin author is a pedo, what did the Toriko author do? He paid a 16 yr old to have sex with him so, also a pedo
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to clarify it was a sting operation and the cops nabbed him before anything happened. now he had obvious intent to do so so doesnt exactly absolve him of anything lol but facts are important
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Endorph posted:just look at the quote tweets on that stuff lol I counted two people calling him alt-right, another called him red-pilled as a negative, some other person lamenting that American alt-right language seeping overseas, and one poster in this thread calling him a chud. Everyone else either expressed disappointment in the man or called him based for "speaking the truth". So five people out of hundreds are calling him alt-right nazi; that's not really a large number of people calling him a hateful man. But also, twitter is also trash for measuring metrics like this, so whatever.
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Multiple people can be varying degrees of bad. It’s not like anyone here is saying Konaka should be in prison.
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Willo567 posted:with all the energy people are giving at calling konaka a nazi they could instead be using it to point out what a piece of poo poo oda is for busting out the toriko and kenshin authors I'd be happy to, but I haven't been following any manga author drama. Can you give me a TL;DR on this?
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Aug 3, 2021 19:30
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Didn’t the last anime Konaka wrote for also have a weird bit where one of the characters goes on a rant about how global warming is a hoax propagated by the nuclear energy industry
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Didn’t the last anime Konaka wrote for also have a weird bit where one of the characters goes on a rant about how global warming is a hoax propagated by the nuclear energy industry
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Endorph posted:that was ghost hound, but it wasnt the last one he wrote for. and while its an extremely bizarre rant, the angle is 'global warming is real but theres no evidence people cause it', not global warming being fake. “Global warming is real but there’s no evidence people cause it” is in line with the conservative climate denialist school of thought. Republicans I know have said it to my face. It’s essentially no different than “climate change isn’t real” because it advocates for humans to change no behavior all the same. Just really disappointing.  Alternate art for Grizzlymon, can’t remember where it will be found. I want to say the UlforceVeedramon starter deck, but it could be a reward for playing at a locals instead
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Nodosaur posted:Multiple people can be varying degrees of bad. It’s not like anyone here is saying Konaka should be in prison. Yeah, Konaka, it turns out, is just an rear end in a top hat and should be roundly called out for being an rear end in a top hat. So I am quite disappointed to learn that the guy who made the best Digimon property in the franchise and helped shape my views on what this series really had the potential to be if it applied itself turned out to be an rear end in a top hat.
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Some Numbers posted:I'd be happy to, but I haven't been following any manga author drama. Can you give me a TL;DR on this? The Toriko and Kenshin authors are both convicted pedophiles that somehow still have jobs in the industry. Someone else can probably explain it further
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The toriko guy got caught in a sting trying to hire a teenage prostitute. Kenshin guy had a ton of child pornography
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Shame about the last one as I kind of liked Rurouni Kenshin
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We've been talking about how those guys are pedophiles, but nobody actually addressed how Oda was involved. A quick google search says he joined an interview with Kenshin guy after his child porn charge, and uhh, vouched for Toriko guy to get his manga job back? I can't find the source on that one. edit: Missed the years on those. Toriko guy was arrested on 2002, so already on public record, and Oda is a well known friend, including multiple collaboration between One Piece and Toriko startin 2017 Marluxia fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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thetoughestbean posted:“Global warming is real but there’s no evidence people cause it” is in line with the conservative climate denialist school of thought. Republicans I know have said it to my face. It’s essentially no different than “climate change isn’t real” because it advocates for humans to change no behavior all the same.
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Marluxia posted:We've been talking about how those guys are pedophiles, but nobody actually addressed how Oda was involved. A quick google search says he joined an interview with Kenshin guy after his child porn charge, and uhh, vouched for Toriko guy to get his manga job back? I can't find the source on that one. Oda also recently did an friendly buddy-buddy interview with Watsuki so he very openly does not care about what his friends have done Anyway I think whatever point Konaka has completely falls apart when the thing he is specifically mad about lately is made-up covid poo poo being deleted off the internet, which in Japan is an extra problem on top of the already fairly prevalent vaccine hesitancy (not at all helped by the government's incredibly bungled vaccine rollout) And even taking away that particular context having watched the actual script read I feel confident in saying that this is embarrassingly hamhanded. Like it's one of those political cartoons that use visual metaphors but everything's still clearly labeled with what it represents because the artist either thinks the intended audience is just that dumb or doesn't actually understand how their own work can be viewed. It's just straight up bad. It doesn't build on Tamers' characters or storyline or themes, it's just Konaka using the cast as puppets to talk about what's grinding his gears lately. Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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Honestly that someone at Toei went "Yup, this is how we're gonna mark Tamer's 20th" in terms of draging the cast back and everything kinda just marks the impossible gulf in what I believe Digimon could be and what the people who are in charge of the franchise in tyool 2021 are capable of.
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In itself, sitting back and letting the guy who wrote Tamers do whatever he wants for a script reading at an event for the people who are still passionate about that show 20 years later is a decision that makes sense. Obviously, the results aren't good, but it feels like a context where you'd be more hands-off because it's not like you need to market or merchandise whatever Konaka writes.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Impmon apologising to Juri for killing Leomon, and Juri accepting his apologies and joining up with him to fight Political Correctness (it's implied that Impmon once again ended up fighting with and running away from Ai and Mako, though Impmon refuses to elaborate). See, this sucks major rear end. Making up with his original tamers was the culmination of Impmon's arc, the it'd feel incredibly cheap for them to have a falling out on screen just to stick him with Juri, if it's a fakeout and they didn't have a falling out I'm not even sure what you gain from that? Temporarily disappointing people I guess. thetoughestbean posted:
Grizzlymom  they're one of my often overlooked favorites so glad they're getting love somewhere.
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1st Stage Midboss posted:In itself, sitting back and letting the guy who wrote Tamers do whatever he wants for a script reading at an event for the people who are still passionate about that show 20 years later is a decision that makes sense. Obviously, the results aren't good, but it feels like a context where you'd be more hands-off because it's not like you need to market or merchandise whatever Konaka writes. Its just an exclamation point to a year and a half (more if you start counting DALEK and the latter half of Tri) of sheer loving incompetence.
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my favorite digimon is lillymon
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TheHan posted:Grizzlymom Grizzlymon is one of two blockers available in blue, so it gets a lot of play. It will go down in play soon, though, because the other blocker has one less evolution cost, which is a big deal for deck building https://twitter.com/frogkaro/status/1422660456502734851?s=21 thetoughestbean fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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The thing with this right wing stuff in the modern age is that the longer you are mired in it, the worse it gets there is a clear pipeline of radiclazation and I get the feeling people are reacting to how bad this can all become in not a lot of time, even now what we are seeing here is not a good sign.
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Wow this Konaka thing really broke through, people are talking about it on my twitter feed in oblique ways. Was only able to figure out what they hell they were going on about from context in this thread.
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dbzfandiego posted:The thing with this right wing stuff in the modern age is that the longer you are mired in it, the worse it gets there is a clear pipeline of radiclazation and I get the feeling people are reacting to how bad this can all become in not a lot of time, even now what we are seeing here is not a good sign. Even if it isn't radicalization towards American RW crankery, crank magnetism being what it is, it's not unlikely that he'd start falling into some kind of crankery that's adjacent to the one(s) that he's currently into
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sharrrk posted:my favorite digimon is lillymon excellent taste
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dbzfandiego posted:The thing with this right wing stuff in the modern age is that the longer you are mired in it, the worse it gets there is a clear pipeline of radiclazation and I get the feeling people are reacting to how bad this can all become in not a lot of time, even now what we are seeing here is not a good sign. This is why I reacted that way. Some of his broad points aren't wrong but they are absolutely steeped in the right wing view of point and to be frank, that poisons the well for me. also lmao
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1st Stage Midboss posted:In itself, sitting back and letting the guy who wrote Tamers do whatever he wants for a script reading at an event for the people who are still passionate about that show 20 years later is a decision that makes sense. Obviously, the results aren't good, but it feels like a context where you'd be more hands-off because it's not like you need to market or merchandise whatever Konaka writes. Like a friend and I were talking about this today on Discord and he rightly noted that Toei are going to be more involved in Ghost Game than this in response to concerns that Konaka could be involved in the new anime. I myself noted that unlike Oda; Konaka has no ownership in Digimon meaning that, as my friend suggested, Toei can always drop him in favor of hiring a new person to due Tamers stuff as part of damage control which seems likely given that the event script is reportedly non-canon. Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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Even if this is non-canon, and even if this is without much involvement from Toei, I imagine the optics for this are not going to be fun. To a lot of peoples' perspectives, they rounded up the cast of a beloved kid's show from a venerable franchise and had them perform something uncomfortably close to right wing propaganda.
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dbzfandiego posted:The thing with this right wing stuff in the modern age is that the longer you are mired in it, the worse it gets there is a clear pipeline of radiclazation and I get the feeling people are reacting to how bad this can all become in not a lot of time, even now what we are seeing here is not a good sign. This is literally how Reuben Landgon of Devil May Cry’s Dante fame started out several years back too And looking at him now, that rabbit hole is deep
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ConanThe3rd posted:Honestly that someone at Toei went "Yup, this is how we're gonna mark Tamer's 20th" in terms of draging the cast back and everything kinda just marks the impossible gulf in what I believe Digimon could be and what the people who are in charge of the franchise in tyool 2021 are capable of. Toei has always kind of unsubtly despised Tamers and treated it like some kind of deformed bastard child it feels obliged to lock away in a belfry somewhere, so dragging Konaka out of his strange retirement-exile from the anime industry and greenlighting a script where he takes a nice long and extra weird piss all over it for no logical reason is right up their alley. Because Toei loving sucks and always has, don't tell anyone 
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In the Tamers sequel series there's a scene where Renamon turns to the camera and decries the injection of 5G nanobots into children under the guise of "vaccinations".
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I'm just gonna pretend that Person of Interest is the canon sequel series to Digimon Tamers and call it a day. Who's with me?
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MorningMoon posted:What a loving thing to come back to. I was arranging a funeral what were you up to
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm just gonna pretend that Person of Interest is the canon sequel series to Digimon Tamers and call it a day. Who's with me? never look into anything about Jim Caviezal if you want to enjoy Person of Interest
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Zore posted:never look into anything about Jim Caviezal if you want to enjoy Person of Interest Yes, I am well aware that playing Right Wing Jesus was not acting on Caviezal's part 
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nine-gear crow posted:Toei has always kind of unsubtly despised Tamers and treated it like some kind of deformed bastard child it feels obliged to lock away in a belfry somewhere, so dragging Konaka out of his strange retirement-exile from the anime industry and greenlighting a script where he takes a nice long and extra weird piss all over it for no logical reason is right up their alley. Because Toei loving sucks and always has, don't tell anyone Toei treats Tamers the same way it treats everything not named Adventure or Appmon, as something to be ignored because it can't be exploited for nostalgia points the way Adventure can, and it can't just be thrown off a window and never spoken of again like Appmon. Funky Valentine posted:In the Tamers sequel series there's a scene where Renamon turns to the camera and decries the injection of 5G nanobots into children under the guise of "vaccinations". Vaccine Digimon are actually evil, Terriermon was actually the true enemy all along. Impmon was right in killing Leomon.
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