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Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



New DRB arrivals are actually kind of interesting!

https://twitter.com/Wikimon_news/status/1391581022454788098

Atamadekachimon (with Minidekachimon) and Yo!Yo!mon* were the winner and second in the DigiWindow contest back in 2006 and had no appearances whatsoever until this week's Adventure: for Atamadekachimon and Minidekachimon. Kodokugumon has existed for years (since 1999, in fact!) as part of Dokugumon, even appearing in the original Adventure, though it should be noted that it did not look like this before. It got a major redesign, which is extremely unusual especially considering this artwork is relatively new and from a currently ongoing game:



*Yoxtu is stupid even for Bandai's usual romanization mess ups and I refuse to use it

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Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Unexpected DRB update! Knightly boys are in!
https://twitter.com/Wikimon_news/status/1392300858805825539

Shoutmon X4K is a very unexpected arrival - until now it got no recognition whatsoever outside of Xros Wars, where it debuted, and even there it was treated as a minor form. Not even Super Xros Wars had it, so it was logical to think it'd die in XW itself. But no, proper DRB profile! Proper Bandai artwork! Perfect-level, Data-attribute, more attacks than just Burning Star Crusher! It is now an actual full-fledged Digimon and I could not be more proud of my knightly boy.

Gladimon Gradimon (ugh) is an old one (2002!) that went mostly ignored after its debut, though it did get a really rad DCB card that serves as a prequel to a Knightmon card, confirming them being in the same line (if their looks weren't enough for that)


Personally I greatly appreciate this love for old, forgotten Digimon that the DRB is giving recently and hope it keeps it up. Still over a hundred Digimon that haven't gotten a profile!

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Talking about knights,
https://twitter.com/Wikimon_news/status/1392445120092512256

I feel hiring Skull/Dark/MusoKnightmon as your bodyguard isn't a great idea.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



It helps that Rebellimon was originally meant to be an Ogremon - its original name was MetalOgremon before they settled on Rebellimon. It works well as a Perfect level so Ogremon has a full line, although I kind of dislike that it goes from biological, to cyborg, back to fully biological. But then again, it's not like that that hasn't happened before. Such is Digimon.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



thetoughestbean posted:

It’s still “canon”, as much as lines like this can be, it’s just that the ultimate stage can be a cool motorcycle man or an egg. Who knows, maybe Deviltamamon or HolyDigitamamon might get any amount of focus

Seeing how the latter is still nothing more than a sprite...well, hopefully. Hopefully it'll get added to the DRB.

Meanwhile, in funny ("funny") Bandai news... Gladimon was added to the DRB as "Gradimon", then changed to "Gladimon" and back to "Gradimon" in less than 24 hours. It's back to "Gladimon" now. Please just stop messing this up, Bandai. For once.



But then again, when they can't even get the name of tne franchise right...
https://twitter.com/WithTheWill/status/1393023177018667008

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



mandatory lesbian posted:

The games did moderately well, i think? Maybe this will convince them to kick bandais rear end and get survive made

The latest rumour is that it'll be released on September but god knows I don't trust anything anymore. Even if we got an official release date, I wouldn't believe in it until the game actually came out.

mandatory lesbian posted:

Tbh i could live with them deciding to never do an anime again if it meant theyd focus on the videogames and tcg

I really don't want the anime to die. For a very long time it was by far the best part of the franchise and not only because the games put out a very low bar to clear. Adventure, Tamers, Savers, Appmon, all were goddamn excellent, and even 02 and Xros Wars were enjoyable watches. Digimon anime is normally good when it doesn't just want to retread Adventure, so if this teaches Toei to stop trying to do Adventure again when they clearly have no idea why Adventure worked, I'm sure we could get a brand new anime of very high quality that would no doubt be a complete failure on a sales standpoint.

Maybe just accept children don't care about Digimon and focus entirely on us, the manchildren who still love this series in spite of the terrible attempts at nostalgia. You don't need those, really, we love this franchise for far more than just The Tai Power Hour.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Ryaomon posted:

Can't say anything about fan reception but in terms of ratings it is tanking hard and Toei has admitted in their latest earnings report the series has almost no child viewers.

I need to go back to this after remembering (to my great regret) Last Evolution and how it genuinely felt like an attack against people who still liked Digimon as adults (and also agaisnt anyone that thinks growing up shouldn't mean leaving all you liked as a child behind, but that's besides the point).

Modern Adventure is just a giant mess. Kill this thing off, never touch Adventure again, put the effort into making a genuinely good series instead of half-assed nostalgia bait, that may help! Hell, if you absolutely must do the nostalgia bait, Chiaki Konaka has been very insistent on wanting to do that Tamers 2, and seeing how it's Tamers, it'd work perfectly for the adult demographic that still keeps the franchise afloat.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



1st Stage Midboss posted:

I don't feel like Adventure:'s problems are rooted in it using the Adventure characters. There's nothing really about the plot that's retreading Adventure specifically rather than being just a new "trapped in the Digital World"-type Digimon show, and non-partner Digimon that are in both shows are pretty different. It does suffer for having such a large cast - fewer kids would mean the non-lead focus would have been better spread out - but IMO its critical flaw is its pacing, and the same people at the same time presumably would have had that same issue no matter how fresh the show they're making was.

I absolutely think that it reusing Adventure stuff is an issue though. It feels like the writers put little interest in characters because you're expected to know them already. Everyone has their Crests, but they're completely unexplained (beyond randomly dropping the word "Hope" around Takeru several times and "Friendship" around Yamato a couple of times, things that only make sense if you know about them already). Furthermore, characters are simplified from the original Adventure, lacking their more negative traits since, hey, we've already done this character development. Sadly it all ends up with characters feeling bland. Taichi and Koshiro especially feel completely devoid of personality, though the latter at least got a good episode with Gerbemon.

Other than that, yeah, the issues are from Adventure: itself, mostly the absolutely horrendous pacing. For some reason we got episodes that would've made sense before Perfects, character-focused episodes, extremely late. We got WarGreymon far earlier than any other Mega, and then the series had Taichi conveniently forget he could do that because otherwise the power balance wouldn't make any sense. It doesn't help that the episodes we did get early weren't great - lots of very basic enemies with no characterization, constant fights with nothing else, a clear lack of interest in character focus, and all made worse by a clear lack of interest from Toei in giving the series at least decent, consistent animation. Which they can absolutely do for a long-term series, the concurrent Dai no Daibouken has been great to excellent in all but, what, two episodes so far? And we've had three eps in a row with nothing but insane sakuga (with a few CGI fights in the middle that actually looked quite decent for CGI!).

Adventure: does stuff right, which makes things even more frustrating. Every actual character episode has been good to excellent. Some characters are genuinely more enjoyable than they were originally: Mimi lacking her crybaby nature has made her an absolute wonder, Takeru is a lot more enjoyable as this incredibly reckless kid that has absolutely no issues standing up to giant monsters that can and will kill him with extreme ease, and even Hikari has gotten some degree of characterization which she absolutely did not have in any series of the original Adventure continuity. But it's minor in comparison to what it does wrong, in animation, in pacing, in writing.

I feel it may read as if I hate Adventure:, and that's not the case. I just feel Adventure: is not great. It's one of the weaker Digimon series. It's not poo poo like Frontier or Hunters, it's significantly better than the other two attempts at reviving Adventure, but it can't compare to Adventure or V-Tamer despite taking heavy inspiration from both and wanting to update the former to a modern audience. It's a lot worse than its immediate predecessor Appmon, which also had some wonky pacing but it put a heavy focus on the characters themselves and in explaining the world they inhabit. It's a shame, after how exciting the first few episodes were, and how it felt like it was going on an upswing when it decided to finally give characters time to be characters and not just exist for poorly animated fight scenes every episode.


Anyways negativity aside, I'd recommend reading this thread. It shows the inspiration of different Digimon Card Game cards, and it's super interesting.
https://twitter.com/Cyber_C00kie/status/1394723125791707140

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Finally, a poll where the people voted right.
https://twitter.com/Wikimon_news/status/1394847734839095301?s=19

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



mandatory lesbian posted:

buddy angewomon was in the first anime

Angewomon in the anime was mostly unsexualized though, especially in comparison to other versions. Well, until Tri, that is. Just compare:

(Adventure)
(Tri)

Admittedly, Tri's version is closer to her Bandai artwork, which also has the broken breastplate:



And even there, neither is nearly as bad as some Angewomon art gets. I'm not even willing to link to it, just check wikimon.net/Angewomon and go to the Collectors/Crusader Cards tab down in the bottom. Or hell, even the DCG cards are surprisingly sexualized considering how tame the DCG is in comparison to those two.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Sleeping Sigma posted:

I know that technically Summer doesn't begin until June 20th but I'm thinking that Survive has missed it's Spring window for new info since it's not in this months V-Jump.

One of the Bandai-Namco official Twitter accounts posted yesterday that it will be released this year.

I don't believe it for a second, but at least it isn't completely forgotten.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Talking about the DCG, I got Tabletop Simulator and the DCG add-on. I'm trying to use it but...I don't get it. Can anyone explain how this is meant to work, because I'm missing it. I expected a proper interface, not this.

Or is there any better way? Something like YGOPro but for the DCG.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



I actually managed to get a hang on Tabletop Simulator after that thanks to Youtube tutorials and a different DCG sim that's more automated (it literally has Automated in its name). I played three games with a friend finally!

I lost all three but that's another issue entirely.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



DigiFes 2021 will happen on August 1st. It will be heavily Tamers-focused due to its 20th anniversary, including a brand new special drama written by Chiaki Konaka himself. Furthermore, the VAs of all of the important Tamers characters will be there (Masako Nozawa prerecorded her part likely due to her advanced age) - except Renamon's. Which maps to the CD drama. With a new drama, and this much focus on Tamers, it makes me wonder if Toei's planning on pushing forward with Tamers 2 following Konaka's vision.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



This sure was an episode where nothing even remotely interesting happened in spite of being plot-critical, technically. Adventure: is impressive at feeling like it does nothing but waste our time. What an incredibly nothing episode for something as important.

At least it had one good looking moment, which was used twice in the episode so even that wasn't done great.

Next ep spoiler:
I wouldn't expect much of the next ep. Summary says it's a Taichi episode in spite of having Takeru and Hikari evolve, so I can't help but feel it'll be a repeat of the terrible BlitzGreymon episode but with good animation this time.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



It is time to celebrate the most noble of Digimon.

Numemon.
https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1397478866587987968?s=19

Gold and BlackKing have been added to the Digimon Reference Book.

Also Mamemon, with a card showing approximately all of them.
https://twitter.com/digimon_tcg/status/1397477617066971139?s=19

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Hey, did you like Digimon Rumble Arena on the PS1? Were you disappointed that Digimon Rumble Arena 2 was nothing like it (because it was a completely different game that got renamed in the west)? Well, do I have something for you!

Project Digimon is a fangame I found recently that tries (and, in my opinion, succeeds!) at being a proper Rumble Arena 2. It's still in development, but even now it has an impressive roster from the first three seasons as well as multiple paths in Arcade Mode. It's very fun and I feel it should be better-known, and it's incredibly close to the original game. Give it a try if that's your thing!

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Burkion posted:

gently caress Rosemon give me BanchoLilymon

My thoughts exactly. It's sad to know that won't happen because having BanchoMamemon appear is like the absolute perfect setup for Palmon to become a Bancho herself, and I'd love to see the whole group get anime appearances. Not to mention how another main character Digimon already took Rosemon, so Palmon could get something unique too. But for now, I'll be happy that we got one more Bancho in an anime.

Also seeing Ogremon back should be great too, he was like the only villain in this entire series to have a personality. Rebellimon is the logical next step for him too.


mandatory lesbian posted:

Half the american greymon arent even greymon in japan which like i guess it sucks to change the name after so long but still, probably should bite the bullet

If they didn't do it for the DCG, where the names actually cause ruling issues, they won't do it. Which is weird considering dub names are inconsistent anyways (Creepymon/Daemon, Crusadermon/LoadKnightmon, Agumon/Augumon...the list keeps going)

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Hitlersaurus Christ posted:

If we hear anything about it at all it will most likely be from a Japanese source first. Was it ever even announced for a global release?

Yes, it was confirmed early on to be a global release. There's also no reason whatsoever to believe it wouldn't be when every Digimon game for a while except those exclusive to China or Korea have gotten to the west.

It will be released everywhere or nowhere, but not only in Japan.

That said the more time passes, the harder it is to believe it will be "everywhere" instead of "nowhere"...but they've been somewhat insistent on the 2021 release date lately, so maybe there's finally a finished game to release. Maybe.

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Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Omnicrom posted:

Adventure 20 Episode 52: well that was a limp nothing of an episode. Like, I am struggling but that may be the least impressive debut of an Ultimate Digimon to date in the franchise. Can someone tell me why at the very least Hououmon didn't kill a Volcanicdramon or something? I was absolutely certain something would come out of the volcano for her to fight until about the 15 minute mark when I realized that from the pacing of the episode it was seriously just just going to be a natural disaster. They were definitely trying with Hououmon, but the fact that everyone was literally out of danger by the time she appeared completely cut the legs out from under her debut.

Now I point out Sakuyamon also didn't fight anyone when she first appeared, but by contrast Renamon evolved in a do or die situation and was actually able to do something against the big scary threat that the four gods had constantly been talking up. Also, Ruki had been a much more consistently written and present character than Sora has been in Adventure 20. Also also, her evolving was after two consecutive episodes of Ruki wanting to try and evolve to Ultimate and not being able to for various reasons so this was finally payoff for something established.

I'm not surprised Piyomon could evolve to Ultimate, they established a long time ago that anyone of the cast could hit that level of they go hard enough, maybe even from day one. I just wish the show had like, I don't know, done something to make it seem important. Just because it isn't necessarily special or unique doesn't mean that you shouldn't TREAT IT like it was special or unique.


Remember how in Tri and beyond it seemed like someone in Toei absolutely hated Sora? That thought kind of popped in to my mind while I was watching the episode and realizing how little there actually was in it. Also, am I wrong or have they not basically done exactly this episode at least twice before in previous media? I know the show is trading entirely on nostalgia at this point, but prior to now Adventure 20 had at least avoided doing literal retreads of previous episodes.

WarGreymon and BlitzGreymon had worse debuts in this very series than Hououmon did. At least Hououmon felt deserved and did something neat, unlike those two that evolved because we gotta push merchandise and the latter didn't even get a well-animated fight.

I'm also glad Hououmon fights no one. I'm sick of this series introducing new Digimon with no personality every episode just so we can have a fight every. Single. Episode. That that didn't happen alone makes me have a lot more respect for this episode than I do for most of Adventure:. It had an unique conflict for the episode, had the human and Digimon in focus have an actual dynamic (which even the original Adventure was terrible at) even if it was taken straight from Adventure, and hey, Junkmon was a nice character of the week.

Sorry, I just don't agree with your post at all. This episode was good and the best thing Sora has gotten since the original Adventure, and honestly, probably ever.

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