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Happy New Year, baseball goons. Wishing you a year of bats.
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Jan 1, 2015 19:12
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e: nevermind
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Jan 1, 2015 19:20
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Happy New year! I hope all of your teams win the world series this year.
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Jan 1, 2015 20:09
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Going to be nice to start the year off with some HOF outrage. also apparently the Padres tried to get Hiroki Kuroda to sign with them before he ended up returning to Japan: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/...Trade+Rumors%29
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Jan 1, 2015 21:58
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If Bagwell's percentage goes down again I riot  (It's going to go down again  )
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Jan 1, 2015 22:11
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Okay I'm gonna post more in these threads this year and not pretend I know about advanced stats.
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Jan 1, 2015 22:53
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Manny Banuelos traded to Braves for Daivd Carpenter
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Jan 1, 2015 23:48
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Intruder posted:If Bagwell's percentage goes down again I riot You and me, man. loving voters.
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Jan 2, 2015 00:01
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He got 85% though!
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Jan 2, 2015 00:16
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Harlock posted:Manny Banuelos traded to Braves for Daivd Carpenter A good trade 3 years too late.
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Jan 2, 2015 00:28
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If you've had TJS, the Braves are interested Pitchers with broken arms are the new market inefficiency
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Jan 2, 2015 01:03
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Eltoasto posted:If you've had TJS, the Braves are interested Except they already dumped 2 pitchers returning from TJS. Admittedly, Banuelos has only had one TJS.
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Jan 2, 2015 01:07
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tadashi posted:Except they already dumped 2 pitchers returning from TJS. Admittedly, Banuelos has only had one TJS. Well I never claimed it was a good idea
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Jan 2, 2015 01:11
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Waaaaaayyyyyy late, but (name tool related) I was just reminded the Brewers traded for Noochie Varner at one point. OK I'll stop now.
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Jan 2, 2015 03:16
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I'm glad Carpenter is gone. He fell off big time last year, but I'm sad to see Shreve go. He looked like he was going to be a pretty good bullpen piece. Can someone tell me about Manny Banuelos and if I should just continue my sadness from this offseason?
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Jan 2, 2015 17:55
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Banuelos throws lowish 90s, don't believe any report that has him at more than that consistently, was once a very good prospect but started falling off even before his injuries that cost him two years of time. His secondary stuff started disappearing and didn't look good in his return from the depths this year and his command that was supposed to be plus started sliding more into fringe-average even before his injuries.
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Jan 2, 2015 18:09
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Well, I guess if we aren't going to compete next year, taking a chance on someone who used to be a top prospect in the hopes that he might get it back isn't the WORST thing in the world.
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Jan 2, 2015 18:24
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If they just traded some good but not elite relievers for a player who ends up being a decent #3 starter and has 6 years of control, then it's a trade that helps the Braves in the long run. There's just a ton of risk here since Banuelos was already slipping before the TJS. There's a chance Shreve ends up being the better pitcher between Carpenter and him. John Coppolella has deep ties to the Yankees so I assume that had something to do with this.
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Jan 2, 2015 19:18
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Giants are doing the 'we tried' on Shields and Scherzer now. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/01/giants-out-on-shields-scherzer-pursuing-zobrist.html
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Jan 3, 2015 03:41
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FlamingLiberal posted:Giants are doing the 'we tried' on Shields and Scherzer now. Sabean is very odd with free agency. I wonder if he was the timid boy who never asked anyone to dance.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Giants are doing the 'we tried' on Shields and Scherzer now. I'm pretty sure this, if anything, is "we didn't try". Also that meme is really loving dumb. See: people applying it to the Padres this very offseason.
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Mornacale posted:I'm pretty sure this, if anything, is "we didn't try". Also that meme is really loving dumb. See: people applying it to the Padres this very offseason.
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Jan 3, 2015 04:49
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The Giants saying that they have "limited payroll flexibility after re-signing Peavy and Romo" and after winning a bunch of World Series titles when their mortgage payment is winding down is loving laughable.
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Jan 3, 2015 05:06
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A reminder that the Giants got hit with wage settlements twice for underpaying non-player staff in 2013. This is in addition to a 2014 settlement for interns who were underpaid. Hard times.
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Jan 3, 2015 06:08
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Why would the Giants spend considerable money in the offseason if they can just keep somehow  -ing their way to championships after 88 win seasons instead?
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Jan 3, 2015 06:13
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Vernacular posted:Why would the Giants spend considerable money in the offseason if they can just keep somehow I'm concerned because all their even-year championship teams had a -worthy pitching contract. With Lincecum being a free agent after this season, they're going to have to overpay hard in 2016 if they want to compete.
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Jan 3, 2015 06:34
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Senf posted:The Giants saying that they have "limited payroll flexibility after re-signing Peavy and Romo" and after winning a bunch of World Series titles when their mortgage payment is winding down is loving laughable. That really baffled me, considering they made offers to both Pablo and Lester. They're the richest broke team in major league baseball.
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Jan 3, 2015 07:11
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bawfuls posted:The Padres situation was particularly bad looking because they were calling and emailing fans trying to sell tickets by name dropping the players they were pursuing in free agency. Except it turned out to not be bad at all and was just a team's marketing department doing their job. The whole point of the "We Tried" meme is that the team is not actually trying to sign the player, that their offer is essentially a sham that exists solely to be the basis of a PR statement later. The Padres made competitive offers to two free agents, which were pretty clearly in good faith at the time and are indisputably so in light of their subsequent activity. The Giants here are outright saying "we aren't targeting these players because we don't want to pay them," which is the exact thing that We Tried is meant to avoid having to say. Further, the org are habitual big spenders who are well known for giving free agent contracts that are too large, if anything; the idea that they'd need to pretend to spend money to save face is pretty ridiculous. Of course their spending limit is arbitrary; so is every team's, barring maybe ownership groups like the Wilpons who shouldn't be allowed to own a team at all. It's fine to want them to spend more, and certainly they can, but that's a different conversation than saying that they're being dishonest about their plans. I can understand Giants fans being frustrated with this offseason and I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about that, but what gets me so frustrated about "We Tried" is that it's a thought-terminating cliche. We really don't have a lot of evidence past 1) what front offices say, and 2) media reports of the offers they've made. Once you've asserted that both of these are purely meaningless PR moves, there is no actual discussion that can be had besides "nuh uh". I would be a lot more interested in someone taking a look at, for instance, what the Giants' payroll would have looked like with Sandoval and/or Lester, what it looks like now, and what that means their real budget limit is, because this is something that could actually produce some new information to think & talk about. e: tl;dr: if you want to accuse a team of lying, put some effort into backing it up and contribute to the thread Mornacale fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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Jan 3, 2015 08:39
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Mornacale posted:e: tl;dr: if you want to accuse a team of lying, put some effort into backing it up and contribute to the thread But what makes me laugh is that though it would be perfectly reasonable for us to assume that the massively successful and wealthy Giants would be going after a bunch of big name free agents this offseason (and with nearly $30mil coming off the books in 2016, another $40mil in 2017, and their last $20mil mortgage payment shortly after that), they're actually saying that their too broke to do anything more than re-sign a couple of question marks at the current market rate. In other words, I guess what I'm really saying is that the Giants are probably going to spend a bunch of money during the next offseason instead of this one because something like $140mil - $150mil is likely their current budget cap for some reason. Maybe they just crunched the numbers and realized that half of their revenue actually came from those lovely loving panda hats and now they're panicking because what do you sell now, you know?
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Jan 3, 2015 09:29
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Dan Haren will not report to the Marlins and is trying to get traded. http://joefrisaro.mlblogs.com/2015/01/03/haren-not-intending-on-joining-marlins/
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Jan 3, 2015 16:04
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Senf posted:Maybe they just crunched the numbers and realized that half of their revenue actually came from those lovely loving panda hats and now they're panicking because what do you sell now, you know? They were trying to make giraffe hats a thing for Brandon Belt but the problem is Belt has the personality of his favorite restaurant whereas Pablo was like a Venezuelan Santa out there (Belt's favorite restaurant is Olive Garden)
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Jan 3, 2015 18:33
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Trying to make Belt into PR guy is pretty funny though.
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Jan 3, 2015 19:34
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They just need an animal comparison for Hunter Pence. A chameleon. Maybe Casey McGahee will be a new fan favorite.
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Jan 3, 2015 23:28
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Cow udder hats for Casey McGehee
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Jan 3, 2015 23:34
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Mornacale posted:We really don't have a lot of evidence past 1) what front offices say, and 2) media reports of the offers they've made. There's people who actually don't want them to sign Shields. They'd rather save that money to spend wild on some unknown like Yoan Moncada, or wait for next year's class of FAs. With Cain returning, the rotation WILL be better than last year, the disagreement is whether that will just be a little bit better or a lot better. What signing Shields would do is allow them to put Tim Hudson in relief more often for his retirement year, but that's usually not what people think about. A sizable amount of fans who do want Shields are living in the delusion that if they just sign Shields, they'll be spared watching Tim Lincecum. Even though fans hate it, we are going to have to watch the team gamble it's standings to see if 2012/2013/2014 Lincecum was just a phase or whatever. They're pretty open that the size of his contract means they're going to get some drat use out of him even if it hurts them to do so.
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Jan 3, 2015 23:43
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Timmy is definitely going to turn it around this year though!
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Jan 3, 2015 23:48
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It's just like Aaron Rowand and Zito (14-0 aside). The Giants don't believe in throwing more money after poorly-spent money. They put their bad contracts out there, lose games with them, and let fans curse management on talk radio. On the other hand, if it Zito was playing to his salary, they wouldn't have had such great draft picks.
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Jan 3, 2015 23:55
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Popete posted:Trying to make Belt into PR guy is pretty funny though. Didn't Bochy elect to stick with Huff at 1st instead of playing Belt in his first stint at the majors? Am I confusing Belt and Pill? E: Clearly this was supposed to say "stint" and not "poo poo". Although "first poo poo in the majors" is fairly applicable for how he was treated. tadashi fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Brandon Belt was like Bruce Bochy's public enemy #1 for a few years. He just kept benching him then sending him to the minors then calling him back up then starting him for a couple games before sending him back to the minors. He did the same with Pill but Pill usually played OF.
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