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Who wins the main event? This poll is closed. |
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| JBJ defends |
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60 | 28.17% |
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102 | 47.89% |
| We the fans |
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51 | 23.94% |
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Please add the MMA snack rating to the OP tia
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Jan 2, 2015 16:12
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TheCool69 posted:I feel that looking for Gustafsson fight for a blueprint is not going to help DC, since he wont have the height/reach that Gustafsson had helping him, so he cant punch over Jon's hands. I agree with you that DC just doesn't have Gus's height, but DC is a wildly different animal than Rampage. Rashad might be a decent comparison. mewse fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 16:18
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TheCool69 posted:I feel that looking for Gustafsson fight for a blueprint is not going to help DC, since he wont have the height/reach that Gustafsson had helping him, so he cant punch over Jon's hands. The principles of what Gus laid out aren't solely dependant on height and reach. Their assets are fundamentally different but Jones is the constant. Jones has been neutralised and Cormier and his camp are aware of how, and will adapt it to his skills etched are talking about a tiny heavyweight capable of bullying heavyweights, who trains with the best heavyweight in the world. I'm not saying Cormier is comparable to Rashad or rampage, because their careers have been so different that it would be impossible. But ask me 'could Rashad or rampage bully legit top 10 heavyweights and there would be a serious question mark there. DC is unknown, and powerful, that is all.
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Jan 2, 2015 16:45
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I have to keep reminding myself that this isn't a conversation between DC and Jones's coach.
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Jan 2, 2015 16:47
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I hope DC comes out with some advanced adidas eye-poke goggles and rules the 205 class forever. #eyetech
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Jan 2, 2015 16:55
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I think what gives me the most hope for a DC win is his apparent supreme confidence. Most of Jones' opponents seem to beat themselves by being scared to do anything that will bring them into his range, but I don't get the impression from his interviews that DC will have that problem. He's talking about how he's going to beat Jones so bad it will destroy his career. If nothing else it's got me pumped for the fight!
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Jan 2, 2015 17:00
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CommonShore posted:My inclination is to think that DC will have at least one other strategy going in addition to the bumrushes. If Jones has shown anything, it's that he's good at adjusting to an opponent's strategy and finding a way to win, even if he's made uncomfortable. I can't remember a single adjustment Jones has ever made in a fight where his opponent found success early on. Against Vitor he got his arm tweaked but consistently applied pressure until Vitor's brain broke, per usual. Against Chael he took him down and then realized he really was a better fighter than a middleweight non-champion. Against Gus he only started finding success as Gus started slowing down.
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Jan 2, 2015 17:20
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origami posted:Cain would eat one oblique kick and his knee would instantly disintegrate You'd be surprised.
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Jan 2, 2015 17:23
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1st AD posted:I can't remember a single adjustment Jones has ever made in a fight where his opponent found success early on. Actually, while Gus tiring was obviously a factor, it was midway through the fight that Jones started taking advantage of Gus always slipping to his right by timing him with head kicks and elbows, which is what led directly into the big elbow that turned the fight around.
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Jan 2, 2015 17:26
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1st AD posted:Against Gus he only started finding success as Gus started slowing down. According to Greg Jackson this is Jones' primary gift, his gas tank
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Jan 2, 2015 17:26
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1st AD posted:I can't remember a single adjustment Jones has ever made in a fight where his opponent found success early on. He also adjusted to Machida's timing and angles.
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Jan 2, 2015 17:47
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hows dcs cardio? if he goes toe to toe with cain on the regs it should be pretty good right
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Jan 2, 2015 17:48
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Real question, is that within a ref's power to do? Is fighting with your hands open a foul itself that the ref can deduct points for, or can he only take a point when an eyepoke actually happens? The second one, but under the rules the ref has discretion as to whether and when to penalize a fighter for fouls. Most of the time you will only see deductions when the fouls are flagrantly deliberate or if they keep happening in spite of repeated warnings. In Jones's case it would basically come down to a ref telling him that he and everybody else knows that Jon pokes the eye on purpose, so he's not getting any warnings, he gets a point deducted the first time he fouls. The ref could also set that up by verbally warning Jones to close his fingers and keep them out of DC's face even before the eyepoke happens, so that nobody can act surprised by the deduction. It's completely within the ref's power to do those things, it's just that almost all refs err way on the side of caution when it comes to fouls, because they don't want their actions to be a major factor in determining who wins or loses. And that's probably the right position most of the time. But in Jones case referee decisions--specifically Jones's awareness that they don't actually enforce the gouging rule--are already a big factor in how he fights and somebody should really address that before he legit blinds somebody.
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Jan 2, 2015 17:49
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Here's Barnett talking about Cormier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYZgWfR9lps
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Jan 2, 2015 17:55
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fatherdog posted:Actually, while Gus tiring was obviously a factor, it was midway through the fight that Jones started taking advantage of Gus always slipping to his right by timing him with head kicks and elbows, which is what led directly into the big elbow that turned the fight around. Not only that but against Glover he abandoned the fight plan the moment in the first round (mainly fighting behind his reach and avoiding the clinch) and transitioned to a more clinch heavy .Or that was he said in the press conference.
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Jan 2, 2015 17:57
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niethan posted:hows dcs cardio? if he goes toe to toe with cain on the regs it should be pretty good right He looked fine going five rounds with Barnett.
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Jan 2, 2015 18:02
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9TMBWw1yNY
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Jan 2, 2015 18:02
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Watching Jon jones vs Rampage in español and holy poo poo these guys are better than Goldie and Joe . Also Rampage's corner is terrible, they are just screaming to him while telling him to "just fight" lol Middle of the third round and the eyes rakes appear and in the end he just casually tosses Rampage over his shoulders. He just hosed Rampage for an entire round. hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 18:13
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All this talk about verbal foul warnings etc: main event and title fighters get their verbal warnings before the fight even starts when the ref visits their locker rooms to explicitly go over the rules with them. There is no "ref has to warn them first!!!!!!!"; it's within their sole discretion to penalize a foul the first time it happens based on flagrance and severity.
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Jan 2, 2015 18:17
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Lamadrid posted:Also Rampage's corner is terrible, they are just screaming to him while telling him to "just fight" The british guys? e: Wolfslair, took me a few minutes mewse fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 18:26
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I haven't been following MMA for half as long as most of you guys but I've never been this excited to watch a fight. Please channel your ki energy to DC with me everyone.
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Jan 2, 2015 18:31
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Marching Powder posted:The principles of what Gus laid out aren't solely dependant on height and reach. Their assets are fundamentally different but Jones is the constant. Jones has been neutralised and Cormier and his camp are aware of how, and will adapt it to his skills etched are talking about a tiny heavyweight capable of bullying heavyweights, who trains with the best heavyweight in the world. I'm not saying Cormier is comparable to Rashad or rampage, because their careers have been so different that it would be impossible. But ask me 'could Rashad or rampage bully legit top 10 heavyweights and there would be a serious question mark there. DC is unknown, and powerful, that is all. This was a good post. Thank you. Btw some jokester made this picture. Childish i know. 
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Jan 2, 2015 18:47
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TheCool69 posted:This was a good post. Thank you. 
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Jan 2, 2015 18:57
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archerb posted:I haven't been following MMA for half as long as most of you guys but I've never been this excited to watch a fight. Please channel your ki energy to DC with me everyone. I'm going to do it because I'll feel guilty if I don't, but going forward can we please put how spirit bombs don't work irl in the op?
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Jan 2, 2015 19:19
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Youtube comments are rarely anything but garbage, yet one manages to capture a sentiment we share: "I swear to God if Jones slips and bangs his head on the hot tub or DC develops renal failure today during weight cuts I am going to bang my dick against the toilet seat until I'm sterile."
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Jan 2, 2015 19:20
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Lamadrid posted:Also Rampage's corner is terrible, they are just screaming to him while telling him to "just fight"
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Jan 2, 2015 19:22
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Bluedeanie posted:I'm going to do it because I'll feel guilty if I don't, but going forward can we please put how spirit bombs don't work irl in the op? The Magic Is In Believing
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Jan 2, 2015 19:35
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Detroit_Dogg posted:The Magic Is In Believing Oh I believed. I believed when Hunt fought Werdum, when Lyoto fought Jones and when Edgar fought Benson the second time, yet nothing besides a lack of circulation in my toes My Goku, my Goku, why have you forsaken me?
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Jan 2, 2015 19:40
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I believed in Dan Henderson against Shogun and he responded to my resolve by re-configuring Shogun's face. I will always believe in Dan Henderson.
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Jan 2, 2015 19:46
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It seems that Jon was able to take the strategy of kicking an outstretched hand and turn it against DC. Truly a p4p great fighter and PSP lurker.
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Jan 2, 2015 19:56
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I want to believe so badly. SO BADLY! DC by Slam KO
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Jan 2, 2015 19:58
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Jones looks extremely confident, while DC to me seems to be more frustrated. The only thing I think DC has is a strength/wrestling advantage. Jones has been able to bully just about everyone in the clinch including good wrestlers. I don't think he will be able to do that vs DC who has ragdolled heavyweights. If jones does win this fight do you think he will consider the fight with cain if he is able to beat his main training partner? I know he has mentioned it in he past.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:25
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he will actively campaign to not fight the winner of gus/rumble is what he'd do if he wins
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Jan 2, 2015 20:33
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maffew buildings posted:he will actively campaign to not fight the winner of gus/rumble is what he'd do if he wins I'm the best fighter in the world, I showed that against Daniel Cormier. But I don't think Alexander Gustafsson has proven he is ready to get back in the cage with me *fingers scar on forehead tentatively as he fights through a thousand yard stare to regain composure* Instead, I think the clear number one contender is Rashad Evans *points to an empty chair covered in cobwebs with "Lil Nog Was Here" carved onto the back rest*
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Jan 2, 2015 20:40
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Not calling Rampage stupid...(he's stupid) but do you really think expert corner advice and him would mix? You know getting him to just loving pay attention to anything, at all, is a huge challenge. And subsequently he is an ex-champion and pretty legitimately great fighter at times.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:30
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What I'm saying here is I don't know what I'm talking about and I accept that.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:30
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shizen posted:Jones looks extremely confident, while DC to me seems to be more frustrated. The only thing I think DC has is a strength/wrestling advantage. Jones has been able to bully just about everyone in the clinch including good wrestlers. I don't think he will be able to do that vs DC who has ragdolled heavyweights. He might say he takes it but that fight will never, ever happen (in my estimation). Jones gets weird about taking fights he might lose, so I think if Cain somehow got healthy enough to fight when Jones wasn't booked, Jones would drop out. Then Cain would fall apart again and so on.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:36
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https://twitter.com/MikeBohnMMA/status/551114757667684352 Wow the tweet embedding works? loving awesome.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:42
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maffew buildings posted:A Cool Dude who definitely doesn't own a fedora even tho it was an unconscious Machado its still ma boy love, who was the fucker
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