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Dimebags Brain posted:How much does Dragon Gate book around business/financials? like, if BxB Hulk is drawing really well as champion would they keep the belt on him until they see stuff starting to drop or do they not care about that stuff with regards to booking? Or is their upper card relatively equal in terms of drawing power so they feel free to move the belt around as story demands? Short Answer: They don't have to, but they would in the past. Long Answer: I wanted to take a couple of days to compose my thoughts before giving this a reply. Since November, I've been looking into CIMA's candidacy into the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame in terms of Japanese "indie" wrestlers and overall legitimacy of the Toryumon system. Funny enough, a lot of what I've been going through (show attendance, booking trends vs other Japanese companies) applies here. Dragon Gate/Toryumon used to book around financials. The key to those financials were if CIMA was on the top of the card, they'd do well, and if not, then things looks rough. Things started to change during BW v J-III and the Big Six were able to assume the role that CIMA held at the top of the card. It has been different/weird now that CIMA is no longer considered the Dragon Gate Ace. Consider this: CIMA was the true Ace of Dragon Gate/Toryumon since 2000 and finally relinquished it when Shingo ended his epic reign in 2012. That's longer than Tana has been ace in New Japan (and more consistent if you really want to get into it.) Since then, the Big Six inherited the role of being the draws. They attempted to have this fourth generation/Big Six (that's at least how I count it, 1st Gen was VTR-Gun, 2nd Gen was Jimmyz/T2P, 3rd Gen was Toryumon X, 4th Gen is early Dragon Gate trueborns and the Big Six, 5th Gen are Millenials) take control when CIMA had his horrible neck injury in 08 and tried Shingo as new Ace and it just failed. He didn't have the charisma, he got bogged down soon after by the monkey scandal, and he just wasn't ready/never reached the role that he was hinted towards. Dragon Gate financials seem to be pretty stable nowadays. They are one of three companies that will sell out Korakuen every month, regardless of card or champion. Kobe World sells somewhere between 9300-9650 over the last five years, and that's with an assortment of different Dream Gate champs. Before then, you could see fluctuation, but things always looked good with CIMA headlining. They have a deep roster that will age well and they don't have the problems of looking for new stars that the traditional Japanese Major Feds do. Being completely realistic, I don't know how or where Dragon Gate grows and expands in the future. They don't do the big yearly shows at Sumo Hall or Saitama Super Arena like DDT has and their international interest has dwindled due to the irrelevance of DGUSA. They became #2 in Japan solely due to attrition/the destruction of NOAH/AJPW. I think a good question looking towards 2015 is where Dragon Gate goes from here, or are they happy with their current piece of the pie?
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How much of a draw was Magnum TOKYO? I know CIMA was the Ace but there was a good amount of time when the two of them were feuding in Toryumon where they were booked as contemporaries.
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Feb 18, 2015 07:43
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sticklefifer posted:How much of a draw was Magnum TOKYO? I know CIMA was the Ace but there was a good amount of time when the two of them were feuding in Toryumon where they were booked as contemporaries. It was sort of an early "tecnico" ace in Magnum and "rudo" ace in CIMA that really turned into CIMA being the full ace. One of the biggest moments in early Toryumon was CIMA getting the final win over Magnum and that went straight into Crazy Max v M2K where CIMA moved into the pure Ace role against the invading/obstructioning Mocchy-led M2K. So Yoshino came back this weekend from his severe tonsillitis to be Shachihoko BOY's Twin Gate partner at CHAMPION GATE. The first show is on the 28th and the second show on the 1st. Both shows are live on NicoNico from Osaka for 1500 yen at https://secure.live.nicovideo.jp/event/dragongate.
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Feb 23, 2015 05:44
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:It was sort of an early "tecnico" ace in Magnum and "rudo" ace in CIMA that really turned into CIMA being the full ace. One of the biggest moments in early Toryumon was CIMA getting the final win over Magnum and that went straight into Crazy Max v M2K where CIMA moved into the pure Ace role against the invading/obstructioning Mocchy-led M2K. That all sounds super fun. Are there any choice matches from those story lines to try and find? Also the Champion Gate card looks really nice, gonna be super fun.
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Dimebags Brain posted:That all sounds super fun. Are there any choice matches from those story lines to try and find? It's kind of hard to find early toryumon (pre-t2p) stuff on the internet, Though I found a 1999 CIMA v Magnum match. I'm not certain if this one is the feud ending match, however. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x65y0a_cima-vs-magnum-tokyo_sport Also Yosuke made her 2nd defense of the Owarai Gate a couple of days ago, long may be Maria-chan's reign.
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Feb 26, 2015 18:31
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very fun undercard, great main events, five stars would cry with shachihoko boy and tozawa again. get hype for shingo's owarai title shot
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oatgan posted:very fun undercard, great main events, five stars would cry with shachihoko boy and tozawa again. Show of the Year so far. I cried. Dimebags Brain fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Mar 1, 2015 |
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Mar 1, 2015 10:39
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The going away ceremony for Uhaa Nation was genuinely kinda sad, those dudes seem to really love him
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Mar 1, 2015 10:43
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What's the origin of the spot where someone from Mad Blankey powerbombs someone on a bunch of cans? I've seen it at least once in almost all of the past several shows. It looks like it hurts like hell, even if they're empty.
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Mar 1, 2015 22:48
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Mar 1, 2015 22:49
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Omg this uhaa farewell is an incredible feels rush. Ganbare, uhaa!!
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Mar 1, 2015 22:58
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Mar 1, 2015 23:08
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Mar 1, 2015 23:34
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They better let Uhaa keep the Monster Express pose.
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Mar 1, 2015 23:40
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And the "Too easy" catchphrase. They better let him keep the Uhaa Combination too. Gorilla press/Standing Moonsault/Standing SSP is like a hybrid of everything Vince loves and everything wrestlefans love: Big strong muscle man doing strongman things and awesome athletic man doing awesome athletic things.
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Mar 1, 2015 23:46
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Just finished up both shows. Champion Gate Nt 2 was the most consistent big show of the year. I wonder how Uhaa's going to do in NXT. He certainly has the athletic prowess to make it, but I wonder if his charisma/mic skills might hold him back. Eita's been suspiciously exempt from shows. I've heard both discipline reasons and an undisclosed injury as rumors why he's been absent. ANYWAYS KORAKUEN ON THURSDAY NIGHT! gently caress YEAH 4 WAY SIX MAN WITH NO SCRUBS! Really those top three matches should be bangers. 1) Yosuke♡Santa Maria/U-T/El Lindaman [MILLENIALS] v K-ness/Gamma/Mondai Ryu [MAD BLANKEY] 2) Kenichiro Arai/Shachihoko BOY [MONSTER EXPRESS] v Super Shisa/"Hollywood" Stalker Ichikawa 3) Kotoka [MILLENIALS] v Mr. Quu Quu Tanizaki Naoki Toyonaka Dolphin [JIMMYZ] 4) Ryo "Jimmy" Saito/Genki Horiguchi H.A.Gee.Mee!! [JIMMYZ] v CIMA/Don Fujii [MAD BLANKEY] 5) T-Hawk/Flamita [MILLENIALS] v Masaaki Mochizuki/Dragon Kid [DIA.HEARTS] 6) 4 Way 6 Man Tag Team Match: Akira Tozawa/Masato Yoshino/Shingo Takagi [MONSTER EXPRESS] v BxB Hulk/Big R Shimizu/Kzy [DIA.HEARTS] v Jimmy Susumu/Jimmy Kanda/Jimmy Kagetora [JIMMYZ] v YAMATO/Naruki Doi/Cyber Kong [MAD BLANKEY] LIVE ON NICONICO
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I love how they bookended some of the tag spots between shows, like how Kanda whipped the tape into someone's face from halfway across the arena in the first show, and it backfired and whacked him instead in the second. I also REALLY want to know where I can buy this: http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/Feyau sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 02:42
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Does the full Blood Warriors/Junction III Loser disbands match exist anywhere, or do we only have the cut down version that showed up on Infinity?
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Dimebags Brain posted:Does the full Blood Warriors/Junction III Loser disbands match exist anywhere, or do we only have the cut down version that showed up on Infinity? Given time period, it's from infinity. I got a newer/hq version of it from Jae during the sale so I'll check it later to see if it's the Infinity or another release.
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sticklefifer posted:I love how they bookended some of the tag spots between shows, like how Kanda whipped the tape into someone's face from halfway across the arena in the first show, and it backfired and whacked him instead in the second. Agreed on the shirt.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:38
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:Given time period, it's from infinity. I got a newer/hq version of it from Jae during the sale so I'll check it later to see if it's the Infinity or another release. I'm going through shows from this period and I found the match on Infinity 250, but it's a cut down version and from reading the comments on the video the full match is like 70 minutes long or something like that, and I'd like to see the full thing rather than the cut down 40 minute version on Infinity. Also it's super weird seeing heel Tozawa and a face Yamato with no hair.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:54
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Dragon Gate shirt listings: http://shop.dg-pro.jp/products/list.php?category_id=9 As for how to get them, ask Jae, he'll probably help out.
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Dimebags Brain posted:I'm going through shows from this period and I found the match on Infinity 250, but it's a cut down version and from reading the comments on the video the full match is like 70 minutes long or something like that, and I'd like to see the full thing rather than the cut down 40 minute version on Infinity. no dice. the one I have is from 250. unless it's on a "2012 season" dvd, that's probably the only version that exists. i'm so glad we get complete live korakuens (like tonight) now on. ChampRamp posted:Dragon Gate shirt listings: http://shop.dg-pro.jp/products/list.php?category_id=9 yeah i'd ask jae. he has made mentions before about being willing to help out plus he's a real good dude. and if you don't want a yamato licensed food coordinator kitchen apron then you are loving goofing. http://shop.dg-pro.jp/products/list.php?category_id=83
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Mar 6, 2015 02:07
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Mar 6, 2015 02:14
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anyone feeling like crying again? jae uploaded pac's graduation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqTLM-_mE1E
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Mar 6, 2015 03:28
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Just saw the Uhaa goodbye. Wow.
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I get the whole exotico thing, but sometimes I can't tell how they're playing Yosuke♡Santa Maria. It's somewhere in a huge grey area between jokes about gay panic and actual progressive trans recognition, depending on the show. I guess the tonal shifts can just be written off as "Dragon Gate is alternately serious and silly as hell" like everything else?
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sticklefifer posted:I get the whole exotico thing, but sometimes I can't tell how they're playing Yosuke♡Santa Maria. It's somewhere in a huge grey area between jokes about gay panic and actual progressive trans recognition, depending on the show. I guess the tonal shifts can just be written off as "Dragon Gate is alternately serious and silly as hell" like everything else? I'd say he's a hell of a lot more progressive than Danshoku Dino
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They could do a lot worse, yeah. I'm really intrigued by where the whole CIMA/Doi thing is going. It's a nice slow burn, and I have no idea who he joins if Mad Blankey boots him out.
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Mar 12, 2015 01:50
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Yosuke♡Santa Maria is extremely awesome and I like him/her a lot
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Some of the wrestlers are grossed out when she kisses them, but I'd be all for it
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sticklefifer posted:They could do a lot worse, yeah. I could CIMA taking over Mad Blankey himself to prove that he's still the best/most powerful guy in DG.
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sticklefifer posted:I get the whole exotico thing, but sometimes I can't tell how they're playing Yosuke♡Santa Maria. It's somewhere in a huge grey area between jokes about gay panic and actual progressive trans recognition, depending on the show. I guess the tonal shifts can just be written off as "Dragon Gate is alternately serious and silly as hell" like everything else? dg treats these issues with more respect and open mind than all the other companies. anthony w mori and ryo saito had a pretty open yaoi storyline for several years. maria-chan is interesting since there is a pretty prominent super-fan at korauken shows that cross dresses/might be trans and they used to no-show millenials matches when maria was involved. in recent months, i've noticed them back in their normal seat so i guess they don't view it as offensive anymore. or that it was during the gamma/maria love feud and they didn't want to watch that. i dunno. Dimebags Brain posted:I could CIMA taking over Mad Blankey himself to prove that he's still the best/most powerful guy in DG. doi is soooooo going into the dead or alive cage apuestas with cima and t-hawk. i can't see doi turning face because he makes no goshdarn sense joining mx, which he'd have to do because he has to be with yoshi if he's face.
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:doi is soooooo going into the dead or alive cage apuestas with cima and t-hawk. i can't see doi turning face because he makes no goshdarn sense joining mx, which he'd have to do because he has to be with yoshi if he's face. Well yeah, which is why he'll lose his name and join the Jimmyz.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:50
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The shelf life of DG factions isn't exactly long, and MB has what, 9 people in it now? I could see a divide coming if the two challenge each other for the rights to the name.
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Dimebags Brain posted:Well yeah, which is why he'll lose his name and join the Jimmyz. Please let this happen
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sticklefifer posted:The shelf life of DG factions isn't exactly long, and MB has what, 9 people in it now? I could see a divide coming if the two challenge each other for the rights to the name. Both MB and Jimmyz had their 3 year anniversary this month, which is INSANE length DG wise. The only ones that existed longer were Crazy Max, Italian Connection and Tozawa-juku. I have a feeling that Nobuhiko and Tatsuki will sometime heed the warnings of Middle School Sancho Saito and join Susumu and his friends in an evolution of Jimmyz/Waku Waku Fujii Land. Which is a shame because I feel like Fujii has reinvented himself as Punch Tominaga's cranky uncle.
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Well yeah, you know the zombie-bros-4-lyfe aren't splitting up. It looks more like YAMATO, Kong, and maybe Kimata are on Doi's side since they keep defending him or pulling CIMA off him, and I'd assume Gamma & K-Ness would go with the rest of the zombies. I feel like there are too many Jimmyz to have them all join a mega-stable though, so maybe Saito leaves the rest? I really don't know, and an impending stable shakeup is getting me way more interested in the direction of several midcarders than I would otherwise. I had to look up Kinpachi-sensei to get the reference, though it was still funny without it. But now all I want is Saito yelling at an overhead camera while the rest of Jimmyz toss him up in the air.
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:Both MB and Jimmyz had their 3 year anniversary this month, which is INSANE length DG wise. The only ones that existed longer were Crazy Max, Italian Connection and Tozawa-juku. I have a feeling that Nobuhiko and Tatsuki will sometime heed the warnings of Middle School Sancho Saito and join Susumu and his friends in an evolution of Jimmyz/Waku Waku Fujii Land. Which is a shame because I feel like Fujii has reinvented himself as Punch Tominaga's cranky uncle. These names are some zany poo poo and I love it.
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