World In Flames: all the counters and chits, all of them.

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Ghost of Mussolini: Jun 26, 2011

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Why not? Argentina was pro-axis and Brazil even sent expeditionary forces to Europe for the Allies.

Argentina wasn't "pro-axis" any more than a lot of Western European or the US were until the Germans invaded Poland and all poo poo really went to hell. There were some political factions that viewed the Axis favourably, these were people who were either actual fascists (a fair amount of Argentine army officers trained in Italy) or mainly because they didn't so much like Germany as they didn't like the a) Communists b) decrepit liberal western democracies. Large amounts of the military were pro-Allies (the majority of the armed forces were pro-neutral actually), the entire democratic spectrum of society was pro-Allies, and the overwhelming majority of business interests were pro-Allies. Argentine trade with the allies (particularly Britain) was very important, and the British ran up a huge war debt from buying Argentine supplies (canned beef being the most important, a considerable amount of which was given for no charge at all).

Argentina didn't hop onto the war for a multitude of reasons. 1) Argentina is in the rear end-end of the world, so it could just not concern itself with issues outside of Latin America 2) it was neutral in WW1, which was a popular decision 3) it was rich and big enough that it was politically independent from the USA (unlike all the Central American states that just declared war and then didn't do anything) 3) The British government was not worried at all about Argentina being neutral, since this actually gave Argentina an advantage in supplying food to Britain.

A lot of the "Argentina was pretty much Nazi" narrative is still a holdover from the end of the war. The US wanted all of Latin America to go along with it following the bombing of Pearl Harbour, and Argentina was the biggest holdout to that policy (Argentina did declare a state of emergency and clamped down on German spies though). There was therefore a lot of US diplomatic and economic pressure focused on Argentina to join the war, and a message that if they weren't joining then it was because they were against them (even though Argentina was effectively in economic terms part of the Commonwealth). There was even a ridiculous plan (that would never had happened) for the US to support Brazil in invading Argentina kicked around at a fairly high level.

Anyways sorry for the derail, the game looks ridiculously complicated but fun, good luck.

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Ghost of Mussolini: Jun 26, 2011

Is the Folgore (paratrooper) division in? Should pop up in 1941. I'd like to claim that if possible.

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Ghost of Mussolini: Jun 26, 2011

What about the brave paratroopers :italy:

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