World In Flames: all the counters and chits, all of them.

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Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Wikipedia posted:

Hitler and Franco met at Hendaye, France on 23 October 1940 to fix the details of an alliance. By this time, the advantages had become less clear for either side. Franco asked for too much from Hitler. In exchange for entering the war alongside the alliance of Germany and Italy, Franco, among many things, demanded heavy fortification of the Canary Islands as well as large quantities of grain, fuel, armed vehicles, military aircraft and other armaments. In response to Franco's nearly impossible demands, Hitler threatened Franco with a possible annexation of Spanish territory by Vichy France. At the end of the day, no agreement was reached. A few days later in Germany, Hitler would famously tell Mussolini, "I prefer to have three or four of my own teeth pulled out than to speak to that man again!" It is subject to historical debate whether Franco overplayed his hand by demanding too much from Hitler for Spanish entry into the war, or if he deliberately stymied the German dictator by setting the price for his alliance unrealistically high knowing full well that Hitler would refuse his demands and thus save Spain from entering another devastating war. Also, Abwehr chief Wilhelm Canaris, who secretly relayed information to Franco about the German plans, might have convinced Franco not to agree to Hitler's demands.

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In the first years of the war, "Laws regulating their admittance were written and mostly ignored."[9] They were mainly from Western Europe, fleeing deportation to concentration camps from occupied France, but also Jews from Eastern Europe, especially in Hungary. Trudy Alexy refers to the "absurdity" and "paradox of refugees fleeing the Nazis' Final Solution to seek asylum in a country where no Jews had been allowed to live openly as Jews for over four centuries." [10]

Throughout World War II, Spanish diplomats of the Franco government extended their protection to Eastern European Jews, especially in Hungary. Jews claiming Spanish ancestry were provided with Spanish documentation without being required to prove their case and either left for Spain or survived the war with the help of their new legal status in occupied countries.

Once the tide of war began to turn, and Count Francisco G�mez-Jordana Sousa succeeded Franco's brother-in-law Serrano S��er as Spain's foreign minister, Spanish diplomacy became "more sympathetic to Jews", although Franco himself "never said anything" about this.[9] Around that same time, a contingent of Spanish doctors travelling in Poland were fully informed of the Nazi extermination plans by Governor-General Hans Frank, who was under the misimpression that they would share his views about the matter; when they came home, they passed the story to Admiral Lu�s Carrero Blanco, who told Franco.[11]

Diplomats discussed the possibility of Spain as a route to a containment camp for Jewish refugees near Casablanca but it came to naught due to lack of Free French and British support.[12] Nonetheless, control of the Spanish border with France relaxed somewhat at this time,[13] and thousands of Jews managed to cross into Spain (many by smugglers' routes). Almost all of them survived the war.[14] The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee operated openly in Barcelona.[15]

Shortly afterwards, Spain began giving citizenship to Sephardic Jews in Greece, Hungary, Bulgaria, and Romania; many Ashkenazic Jews also managed to be included, as did some non-Jews. The Spanish head of mission in Budapest, �ngel Sanz Briz, saved thousands of Ashkenazim in Hungary by granting them Spanish citizenship, placing them in safe houses and teaching them minimal Spanish so they could pretend to be Sephardim, at least to someone who did not know Spanish. The Spanish diplomatic corps was performing a balancing act: Alexy conjectures that the number of Jews they took in was limited by how much German hostility they were willing to engender.[16]

... Franco's regime, despite its aversion to Zionism and "Judeo"-Freemasonry, does not appear to have shared the rabid anti-Semitic ideology promoted by the Nazis. About 25,000 to 35,000 refugees, mainly Jews, were allowed to transit through Spain to Portugal and beyond.

I am curious what would've made Franco actually join the war, though I don't think the pressure from the racialists and other fascists in Spain (the country protected Jews historically) would've been enough, even in the event of the fall of Gibraltar (all other things being historical).
Franco also disliked Hitler for his intense cultism (positive Christianity?).

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So are you going to be playing as all sides?

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jan 6, 2015

# ¿ Jan 6, 2015 13:11

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 02:49

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

I'll leave the Surcouf for GenHavoc, so rather I'll have HMS Ark Royal.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2015 03:01

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Thanks for the chit!

Why are the frogmen destroyed upon completion? I understand they must've had pretty drat high casualty rates, but to be rendered completely ineffective?
Though they are Italian units, so...

# ¿ Jan 14, 2015 08:13

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

A White Guy posted:

Since someone called the Bismarck, I'm calling the HMS Hood. Hopefully that pesky British air cover can sink the Bismarck before she sinks the Hood.

Don't worry. The Ark Royal will take care of it!
Yessire, there won't be any depredations in the North Sea or wherever this majestic ship is sent as long as I remain on the bridge. I certainly won't get sunk earlier than historical...!

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Jan 15, 2015

# ¿ Jan 15, 2015 08:34

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Where ya planning to send me? I don't mind any place really, as long as my air wings get to see action (ship itself too if necessary).

Huh, whaddaya know...

wikipedia posted:

The French fleet was widely dispersed. Some vessels were in port in France; others had escaped from France to British controlled ports, mainly in Britain itself or Alexandria in Egypt. At the first stage of Operation Catapult, the ships in the British ports of Plymouth and Portsmouth were simply boarded on the night of 3 July 1940. The then largest submarine in the world, the Surcouf, which had sought refuge in Portsmouth in June 1940 following the German invasion of France, resisted the British operation. In capturing the submarine, two British officers and one French sailor were killed. Other ships were the two obsolete battleships Paris and Courbet, the destroyers Triomphant and the L�opard, eight torpedo boats, five submarines (the Minerve, Junon) and a number of other ships of lesser importance.

Sordid history for the largest submarine of the time. Was looking up Free French Naval forces, but it wasn't very informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_French_Naval_Forces
This List of Ships of the Free French Naval Forces was better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Free_French_Naval_Forces
There's two battleships, the Paris and the Courbet. They're kind of obsolete though.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jan 15, 2015

# ¿ Jan 15, 2015 08:43

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Am I understanding it correctly that one must build ships consecutively or lose them?

# ¿ Jan 15, 2015 17:34

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

May we decide the combat theater for our chits? :v:

# ¿ Jan 18, 2015 08:09

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Hmmm, we need to make sure the British Empire is strengthened from this, and avoid decolonization in the future.
C'mon guys, we need more British units on the board so we can give Her Majesty's Government the best advice!

# ¿ Jan 19, 2015 09:40

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Why did neutral countries allow warships to operate routinely from out of their ports? Did they pack up their tiny guns and hide them below deck or something?
Though with armaments that small I suppose it'd be easier to claim self defense than disassemble.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Jan 23, 2015

# ¿ Jan 23, 2015 09:34

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Thanks guys.

Can the USA send Britain aid immediately each impulse/two months?
Also, can the allies annex territories? It'd be really cool to oppress the Irish again and help America dominate the hell out South America. And expand their colonial Empires!

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jan 23, 2015

# ¿ Jan 23, 2015 13:12

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

He means the F3F chit on the B�arn.

I've seen bits of this game be played. With strategical hindsight (not tactical, German units were not that superior, if French doctrines could have been corrected...) France stopping Germany is more likely than historical with players of even skill on both sides, but it is very hard.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Jan 28, 2015

# ¿ Jan 28, 2015 08:56

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Yeah, I could be flat out wrong, it was a long time ago. Some players thought France might have a small chance if the weather is really bad, and Germany/Italy prioritize other targets first and the allies go all-out on holding France. Though if it can even work it would mean huge territorial losses around the Mediterranean at the very least.

Btw., is the Ark Royal on the map? I can't seem to find it.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jan 28, 2015

# ¿ Jan 28, 2015 09:32

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Advice to High Command: Aggressively defend the Mediterranean, engaging at sea if the situation is favorable or even (port strikes are to be considered of course, but should be secondary to a warm welcome to any maneuvers the Italians voluntarily makes in the open sea, in particular offensive Italian maneuvers). Our outposts in the Mediterranean must be protected.
I hereby request the Ark Royal and Plymouth Battlegroup set sail to reinforce the Mediterranean Theater for patrol duty from the Gibraltar to the Suez.

I also advice that we reinforce the land forces in Egypt and engage the Italians in Libya.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 31, 2015

# ¿ Jan 31, 2015 12:09

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Hmmmm, you set a brilliant example for us Sir. Maybe I should look up old-timey newspapers for exhortations on good ideas.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jan 31, 2015

# ¿ Jan 31, 2015 16:50

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Jimmy4400nav posted:

We're going to need as many soldiers and equipment as possible to defend the homeland. Algeria should be put on alert while Syria's units should return home posthaste. Our ship in Madagascar should be ready to move towards Italian Ethiopia while the Mediterranean fleet needs to be ready to sally and fight the Italian Navy, with our sub's ready to blockade any major Italian port. The carrier fleet should stand ready to assist the Brits.

What does Frence production look like by any chance?

We are most grateful to our friends. Should the time come that you need assistance, The Commonwealth stands at the ready.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 31, 2015

# ¿ Jan 31, 2015 20:45

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Acknowledged HQ, reinforcements to the Med and the Libyan border as logistically convenient.

As regards Generals Pig Nog's suggestion we must vote against/refuse our participation on the grounds that if France falls, not unthinkable given their mass mutiny in the Great war, then Spain will be next. And the communist dominatrd republicans there could have just not turned an election victory into an overnight revolutionary massacre anyway.

Welcome to the Commonwealth, free ships!

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Feb 1, 2015

# ¿ Feb 1, 2015 09:13

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Probably found a typo.

will_colorado posted:

In the top right is the defense value of the ship, the lower the better. You have to roll less than or equal to the value to succeed at a defense roll.

will_colorado posted:

Here are two Commonwealth convoy units (they are the same for all nations)

Sorry if this has been mentioned somewhere, but what are the explosive numbers?

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Feb 1, 2015

# ¿ Feb 1, 2015 10:38

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Acknowledged, we should wait.

Blasted Swedes... at least they didn't expel my Norwegian countrymen most of the time. (We actually like Sweden.

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Hope we have the spare resources to invade Norway at some point! :getin:

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Feb 1, 2015

# ¿ Feb 1, 2015 23:31

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Lord Windy posted:

Where possible, the Americans should relocate assets to the West coast. Unless they aren't allowed to do that, in which case disregard me.

If we can still take ships and whatnot, can you give me an American carrier?

Could we work out a deal where you don't advice Washington not to give us full aid when it becomes possible?
A healthy Commonwealth is a powerful launching pad for America, our areas directly border you and if lost would simply be restored at greater expense, limiting your ability to conquer more neutrals.
I do agree we should maybe not max aid to the commies if they do well, but we wasps should stick together.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2015 16:57

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Deal. We have until 1950 anyway.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2015 09:32

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Is aid capped by logistical capacity or rules/sanity?

# ¿ Feb 5, 2015 21:18

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Both low countries to GB, fighters & bombers to GB

It's only natural...

Btw., I assume the penalties for declaring war on Italy preemptively are harsh? If she dallies for long before attacking in the Med. those units would be a nice catch.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Feb 18, 2015

# ¿ Feb 18, 2015 15:07

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

This is what happens when the Ark Royal isn't committed. Send me in coach!

Also, please build more convoys so you can give us more gifts please, US.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2015 20:21

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 02:49

Readingaccount: Jan 6, 2013; Law of the jungle

Did we really need that bomber over starting repair on more of our damaged ships? I think we might need those ships back if Germany decides to try a Battle of Britain and succeeds, more than reducing German production resulting in units being deployed from 1941 and onwards.

Well, we shall stand loyaly with our allies. Mighty France shall show those German and Russian autocracies what for! Their alliance after all proves the hollowness of their ideology. They seek only to spread their power and conquer our righteous democracies!

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Feb 27, 2015

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 08:54

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