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Nebiros
Apr 25, 2013

The scarf is nice.




Let's Play Homefront: Home is where the war is:

Latest Episode - The Bridge

Homefront has an infamous reputation as a bad game and it's very much earned this reputation as you'll be seeing as we plow through the unlikely plot, the unlikeable characters and the anemic gunplay. This is a short game and will run for a total of seven episodes, which have been pre-recorded, but commentary is yet to come on most.

The Game

This game is incredibly boring, pure and simple. Most of the guns barely feel any different, with three exceptions being the PWS Diablo, the Vector and the T3AK (QBZ-03), the first two of which are the best guns to pick up if you don't mind reloading. You have quickly regenerating health, which at first takes most of the difficulty out of the game entirely. The problem is, is that occasionally the game will just decide you need to die and this isn't just to snipers, rockets or heavy vehicles either. There are segments where it almost approaches a passable shooter, albeit one with anemic guns and piss poor AI, but more often, you'll find yourself shooting another 10-15 guys in some cramped back yard, narrow stretch of street, parking lot or amazingly even a farm turned into a small arena. This is a short game, clocking in at just over 3 hours if you're in a hurry or longer if you're trying to get footage.

The Characters

This game's characters are awful, but should you really be surprised with a plot that has the grace and subtlety of a drunken brawl and some of the worst gun play this side of Colonial Marines. We'll introduce them though for your benefit. (Special thanks to Kitty Burger and Hornet)


Connor Morgan: Retired Marine (Bullshit)
- He's arguably the main character of this game, but he's not your player character. He's introduced by killing 2 of the 3 people he's set out to save. He's a raging rear end in a top hat and by the end of the game, you'll probably start wondering how he hasn't been team killed, let alone killed by the enemy.
- Voiced by Tom Pelphrey.
- Character done better by Captain Price in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare




Hopper Lee: DARPA Award Winning Car Mechanic
- Your team's tech specialist and token Asian guy so that the game can beat you about the head and shoulders with racism directed at a good guy. He's far and above the most likeable character that has a spoken line. He maintains the most likeable character, Goliath.
- Voiced by Joel de la Fuente
- Character done better by Terrence Sweetwater: Battlefield Bad Company 1 & 2




Rianna: No last name given. Master Hunter (No really)
- Bipolar. I think she's supposed to be the voice of reason to Connor's dickery, but that would involve her having consistent characterization.
- Voiced by Hannah Cabell
- Done better by two games. The professional shooter in Eiger from Shadowrun Dragonfall or in the token woman of your party, but actually likeable and a character in her own right, Zoey from Left 4 Dead




Boone Karlson: Colorado Police Officer
- Largely a likeable character, removed fairly early in the game due to being tougher than the average Space Marine.
- Voiced by Jim R. Coleman
- Done better by David Anderson from the Mass Effect Series




Robert Jacobs: Retired Marine Pilot
- Your character. Sort of.
- Done better by Isaac Clarke, Dead Space 1




Goliath: The most competent member of your team
- Read above
- Voiced by Jurassic Park's T-Rex
- Done better by the SHIV (or HWP) from XCom


The product endorsements

David D. Davidson posted:

Let's make a list of all the product placement in this game:
1. Pabst Blue Ribbon (x2)
2. White Castle
3. Full Throttle energy drink (x4)
4. Primary weapons systems

We'll be skipping over the other guns in game unless an ad for them is directly spotted. The Diablo's the only gun to make it on this list.

Spoiler Policy
This game isn't that long and there's no real twist you can't see coming a mile out, but if it hasn't come up in the video yet, just spoiler tag it please.

The Episodes



Introduction Video

Episode 1: Why we Fight - Note - FPS and audio issues are resolved in the following episodes.

- Episode 1 notes: Connor's plan kills 2 of the 3 people he sets out to save and asks someone to either kill or knock out a baby during a raging fire fight. It's never explained where you get ammo for Goliath or how Hopper hijacked it. You somehow survive being hit by a Fuel-Air Bomb in close proximity from a low flying drone. (It's the same effect as the MP FAE Strike at least)

Episode 2: Freedom

- Episode 2 notes: We dodge Hank Hill brand 20mm Cannons, explore the home base that we'll be visiting again and discover that maybe one person cared enough about the game to actually put effort into the game with a man praying due East and various art assets that vainly try to do world building.

Episode 3: Firesale

- Episode 3 notes: We use incendiaries dangerously close to friendly lines, neither of the two characters likely to have had any sort of mortar training in the slightest are operating said mortar. The North Koreans apparently would rather temporarily disable Goliath than just blowing the drat thing up in front of their Best Buy Tiger Direct. There are scripted deaths in this level because gently caress you for not being where they think you should be. Finally, Connor firmly cements himself as something other than sympathetic.

Episode 4: The Wall

- Episode 4 notes: We run into Koreans finally using normal RPGs on Goliath. Goliath is harder to kill than tanks. We kill Goliath to escape because reasons. This mission also requires Jacobs, integral to their plans, to run out in the middle of a street to open road blocks so that we can escape. This relies on your friendly AI actually hitting something, which leads to Jacobs dying a lot. This is not a fun mission and it leads into the worst mission in the game.

Episode 5: Heartland

- Episode 5 notes: We meet members of a survivalist compound. Or rogue members of the FLDS Church. It doesn't matter really, they have no real impact on the story and instead are the same exact enemies we've been fighting this whole game with a different voice pack and different skins. Join us as we fight through a sprawling farm (Note: Farm may be sprawling, the fight locations may not be.), provide sniper cover for people to move forward, then ruin the chance of surprise while we steal a Little Bird.

Episode 6: Overwatch

- Episode 6 notes: This is almost a good mission. Compared to the rest of the game, this is a fun mission. The plot is still stupid, it breaks any willing suspension of disbelief and after having played Hardline, I'm convinced a couple of stolen cars and some breaching charge shenanigans would've been a better plan.

Episode 7: The Bridge

- Episode 7 notes: This is the best mission of the game. It doesn't mean this is a good mission though. We assault a bridge for no reason, using helicopters against an enemy with air superiority. No one brings a rocket launcher and the North Koreans are still using German AT instead of something like the RPG7-2 which would be used by such forces as the Chinese. I think they secretly annexed Germany. Connor's dead though

BONUS CONTENT

CQC's Let's Play of Battle Los Angeles. The whole thing, right here. It's shovelware, that's the nicest thing to be said about it. Join us for a spectacularly bad game, rambling about anything, but the game, my ringtone going off, dick joke billboards and Dr. Strangelove's attempt at singing.

Part 1
Part 2

Nebiros fucked around with this message at Feb 24, 2015 around 03:28

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DoctorStrangelove
Jun 6, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!



HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!


edit: Neb's been nagging me to turn this post into a space where HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!, and to introduce the commentators

Nebiros
-Thought it would be a good idea to buy this game
-Thought it would be a good idea to play this game more than once
-Thought it would be a good idea to record himself playing this terrible game
-Thought it would be a good idea to force other people to watch these recordings
-"Favorite" anime: Seikon no Qwaser

Da Panet Earf aka TheBasicsOfCQC
-Maintains an inverse bucket list of sorts of terrible shooters he plans on playing
-Homefront is there along with such legends as John Romero's Daikatana, Ride to Hell: Retribution, Duke Nukem Forever and John Romero's Daikatana for the Nintendo 64
-Plays those games despite having never finished Metal Gear Rising: Revengeace or Barkley: Shut up and Jam- Gaiden
-Will be pointing out product placement.
-"Favorite" anime: Papa to Kiss In The Dark

DoctorStrangelove
-Was in a closed alpha test for Homefront that happened in November/December of 2010
-Done with a now defunct testing group known as "Combat Testing"
-Was not paid, this was a "privilege"
-Got a look into the devs' thought process, did not like what he saw
-Nearly instantly turned off to the game
-Broke the very intimidating NDA to let his brother play, managed to convince him to avoid this poo poo
-We'll talk more of this later
-Neb will always hear "HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!" in my voice
-"Favorite" anime: Cross Ange

Slur
-Never heard of Homefront before
-Didn't know that it was Homefront we were gonna make him watch
-Is annoying as gently caress in mumble as part of his revengeance for this
-"Favorite" anime: Onegai Twins

Hornet
-Thought it a good idea to buy this game for full price on release
-Paid $50 for this poo poo
-At least he got a free copy of Metro 2033
-Favorite anime: My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute

lazyfire aka BromanJenkins
-Certified Let's Play superstar
-Makes more money than Pewdiepie
-Gets more bitches than DarkSydePhil
-LPes many lovely military shooters
-Currently LPing the not lovely Wolfenstein: The New Order. Check that one out here!
-"Favorite" hentai: Naruto Shitpuddin'

xYigx
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-"Favorite" anime: Apocalypse Zero

Chronojam
-gently caress Helicopters
-gently caress Jets
-gently caress Helicopters
-gently caress HELICOPTERS
-"Favorite" anime: Kiss X Sis

Duck King
-In The Navy
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
-"Favorite" "anime": Duck Dynasty

MaNiAk
-Actually paid $20 to play H1Z1
-Also played Homefront. Maybe he likes terrible games. Probably not.
-"Favorite" anime: Corpse Party

whatspeakyou
-In The... Airforce?
-Sadly, The Village People never made an "In the Airforce."
-Favorite anime: uhhhhhhhhh..........


This post brought to you in part by Pabst Blue Ribbon, Tiger Direct, Personal Weapons Systems, and White Castle.

HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!

DoctorStrangelove fucked around with this message at Jun 12, 2015 around 04:36

Nebiros
Apr 25, 2013

The scarf is nice.


Reserved for later information/stories from Strangelove. This bastard

DoctorStrangelove posted:

HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!

Definitely give this a read -

Nebiros fucked around with this message at Jan 9, 2015 around 17:10

Hornet
Nov 13, 2007
Gamer

So I played through Homefront twice, and both times took me under 3 hours. This game was a total disappointment for me, though I should really have seen it coming.

As an additional note, it's very important that I point this out:
At around 2:44 in the intro video for Homefront, a series of images flash on the screen. One very interesting image that shows up for just a fraction of a second, looks suspiciously similar to Blue Thunder. The Helicopter from the 1983 film of the same name.

Left: Homefront | Right: Blue Thunder

The North Koreans must really mean business if they're using Blue Thunder...

Hornet fucked around with this message at Jan 4, 2015 around 07:06

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

Let's make a list of all the product placement in this game:
1. Pabst Blue Ribbon (x2)
2. White Castle
3. Full Throttle energy drink (x4)
4. Primary weapons systems (I'm counting it but just this once so this doesn't clog up the list. Also should I include Colt and Beretta as well?)


Also John Milius doesn't actually have anything to do with the game. This game was just inspired by the movie Red Dawn. He came out after this game was release and pretty much said so after it's release.


How this horrible piece of Tea Party propaganda got a sequel I don't know.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

THE CODEX NERDSTARTES DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR NIETZSCHEAN SUPERMEN ARTWORK! SO SAYETH WE ALL! *fart*

Fun Shoe

You know, having seen this and Ghosts, what they consistently fail to ever get across is that you're the Resistance. You have all kinds of high tech toys, your enemies are incompetent, your weapons are always sufficient and powerful, and you always fight the enemy head on. There's no sense of needing to conserve your force or hitting sane, limited targets or anything.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012


Fallen Rib

Yep, this game still sucks.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

THE CODEX NERDSTARTES DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR NIETZSCHEAN SUPERMEN ARTWORK! SO SAYETH WE ALL! *fart*

Fun Shoe

Connor's desire to punch a baby instantly makes him a likeable and well written character. As does his desire to hide behind and endanger civilian populations for nebulous and stupid reasons and his dumb tea party shirt.

You are correct that Mikkiko and Superfly are the superior caricatures.

Nebiros
Apr 25, 2013

The scarf is nice.


David D. Davidson posted:


Also John Milius doesn't actually have anything to do with the game. This game was just inspired by the movie Red Dawn. He came out after this game was release and pretty much said so after it's release.


How this horrible piece of Tea Party propaganda got a sequel I don't know.

Even the average Tea Party member isn't far enough to the right for this game, this is more of a freeper thing, the extreme and nutty version of politics.

Milius was on staff at one point, but while researching for the game, I did see that he was actually more of an adviser over the plot. Regardless, this game lacks the charm the original movie had, which had at least some self-awareness.

Night10194 posted:

You know, having seen this and Ghosts, what they consistently fail to ever get across is that you're the Resistance. You have all kinds of high tech toys, your enemies are incompetent, your weapons are always sufficient and powerful, and you always fight the enemy head on. There's no sense of needing to conserve your force or hitting sane, limited targets or anything.

A few of us in CTS were talking about this directly. Goliath is too well armed, everyone is too well trained and the attacks all feel slightly off. I'm convinced that if they shifted the game into making Jacobs the main character and setting him as a Green Beret and building it from there would have legitimately helped the game's willing suspension of disbelief. From there, you could have easily have had the fights feel like something from World in Conflict's earlier missions, with you supporting National Guard units in the area as they make attacks, or taking targets of opportunity down.

J.theYellow
May 7, 2003



Slippery Tilde

David D. Davidson posted:

How this horrible piece of Tea Party propaganda got a sequel I don't know.

It was being done by Crytek, famous for a series called Crysis, which is at least half about slaughtering Koreans.

Most of the dev team's been laid off since, though, so no telling what state the sequel is in or if it'll actually ship.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I was fucking sick of looking at Boris's fucking face. So I changed it to my muse and future lover.


Ah, this game.

You know what my favorite bit of nonesense about this game is?

That scene in the video where the robot singlehandedly annihilates a small army of North Korean soldiers? Firmly establishing the trend of robots being North Korea's kryptonite?

You know who one of the most prominent producers and users of autonomous weapon systems is today?

South Korea.

One wonders how the invasion ever got off the ground in that case.

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 6, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!



HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!

Updated the second post with info on the commentators.

HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead.


It is even better when seen through a Progressive lens WHERE THE WAR IS.

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

I LOVE TO TROLL GBS


Having heard about this coming for the last couple months, glad to see it finally got posted. Strangelove has a weird amount of knowledge about people who played this game.

InequalityGodzilla
May 31, 2012



I'm normally the worst judge of whether or not a game will be lovely just from looking at it, which is why my steam library has over 500 games in it and like 200 of those are objectively terrible, but even I knew to stay away from Homefront. I'm totally cool with ridiculous, implausible plots but drat if every single trailer didn't make it sound dumb as hell. I don't want to get spoiled on anything but I really hope this entire game is like a freeper's fever dream or something.

Edit: Also, the product placement is working because I now really want some Whitecastle burgers.

InequalityGodzilla fucked around with this message at Jan 6, 2015 around 00:36

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012


Fallen Rib

InequalityGodzilla posted:

I'm normally the worst judge of whether or not a game will be lovely just from looking at it, which is why my steam library has over 500 games in it and like 200 of those are objectively terrible, but even I knew to stay away from Homefront. I'm totally cool with ridiculous, implausible plots but drat if every single trailer didn't make it sound dumb as hell. I don't want to get spoiled on anything but I really hope this entire game is like a freeper's fever dream or something.

Without spoiling anything it simultaneously is and isn't. Homefront's...okay, not biggest failing but one of its many, many failings is that it's far too laughable to be taken remotely seriously but it's also far too tepid and dull to be enjoyably insane. I think it would actually have improved things if they had gone full-blown Team America, but instead it's just boring and lovely and your teammates are thoroughly unlikeable.

Nebiros
Apr 25, 2013

The scarf is nice.


InequalityGodzilla posted:

I'm normally the worst judge of whether or not a game will be lovely just from looking at it, which is why my steam library has over 500 games in it and like 200 of those are objectively terrible, but even I knew to stay away from Homefront. I'm totally cool with ridiculous, implausible plots but drat if every single trailer didn't make it sound dumb as hell. I don't want to get spoiled on anything but I really hope this entire game is like a freeper's fever dream or something.

Edit: Also, the product placement is working because I now really want some Whitecastle burgers.

The trailer sounded amazingly dumb, but I'll be honest in that I bought it for the MP originally, having been told by numerous friends how bad BF3 was and being completely and utterly burned by MW2 at the time. Turns out the Multiplayer was amazingly poo poo too. To be fair though, I did play through the campaign hoping it would be a self-aware Red Dawn sort of game, where it wasn't played 100% straight.

I think my favorite bit of marketing involved them talking about discussing things with CIA analysts and trying desperately to cling to the idea that their story was at all plausible.

If any of you guys have any requests in game, call them out sooner rather than later if possible, I'd like to delete this poo poo from my HD. Any funny bugs, weird easter eggs or set pieces that I don't cover in the playthrough, I'll do one or two more videos to show off. I'll also be digging up the in game files and posting them later if you're wanting to see their attempt at world building.

edit New episode up

Episode 2: Freedom

Nebiros fucked around with this message at Jan 6, 2015 around 17:18

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

I LOVE TO TROLL GBS


You know, the funniest thing about this game isn't its series of hilarious failures on the gameplay and emotional fronts, but the sheer sci-fi concept of North Korea being able to overtake South Korea and then the rest of Asia. Like, under what scenario does a group of anorexic looking 5' North Koreans using hand-me-down weapons swarm across the DMZ into the face of modern weapon systems the South Koreans use and backed up by US air support and forces? Even if they brought their entire Submarine fleet to bear against US ships they're all decades old diesel dinosaurs. The same could be said about their other boats and ships. A couple aircraft carriers launching some F/A-18s could probably stop the invasion before it starts; land, sea and air.

You can't even use the "Gas prices are at $20 a gallon!" thing because that doesn't happen for a few years after the invasion. You also have to love the Peak Oil scenario the game provides for why the US suddenly doesn't give a gently caress about Asia. This entire game is based on crackpot theories and ideas and all you can do is laugh at the fear mongering.

J.theYellow
May 7, 2003



Slippery Tilde

Kaos Studios, never forget

https://twitter.com/DannyBilson/sta...991583564730370

quote:

"Studio autonomy gives you a lot of really original, creative game-changing ideas and products. When you bring it all in and make it into this big machine, it is much harder to keep that originality, and becomes less consistent. Because there's somebody at a very high level who is sending checks to the studio who can say, ‘Change this,’ at the eleventh hour."

http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/1/35...aos-studios-thq

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010



Lazyfire posted:

You know, the funniest thing about this game isn't its series of hilarious failures on the gameplay and emotional fronts, but the sheer sci-fi concept of North Korea being able to overtake South Korea and then the rest of Asia. Like, under what scenario does a group of anorexic looking 5' North Koreans using hand-me-down weapons swarm across the DMZ into the face of modern weapon systems the South Koreans use and backed up by US air support and forces? Even if they brought their entire Submarine fleet to bear against US ships they're all decades old diesel dinosaurs. The same could be said about their other boats and ships. A couple aircraft carriers launching some F/A-18s could probably stop the invasion before it starts; land, sea and air.

You can't even use the "Gas prices are at $20 a gallon!" thing because that doesn't happen for a few years after the invasion. You also have to love the Peak Oil scenario the game provides for why the US suddenly doesn't give a gently caress about Asia. This entire game is based on crackpot theories and ideas and all you can do is laugh at the fear mongering.

It was originally supposed to be China, must like the Red Dawn remake a few years back. Not that China invading is all that much more possible, but at least slightly scarier.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead.


Except that China has claims for half the Pacific. Invading the US is less likely since they would own half of it by that time.

Nebiros
Apr 25, 2013

The scarf is nice.


Lazyfire posted:

You know, the funniest thing about this game isn't its series of hilarious failures on the gameplay and emotional fronts, but the sheer sci-fi concept of North Korea being able to overtake South Korea and then the rest of Asia. Like, under what scenario does a group of anorexic looking 5' North Koreans using hand-me-down weapons swarm across the DMZ into the face of modern weapon systems the South Koreans use and backed up by US air support and forces? Even if they brought their entire Submarine fleet to bear against US ships they're all decades old diesel dinosaurs. The same could be said about their other boats and ships. A couple aircraft carriers launching some F/A-18s could probably stop the invasion before it starts; land, sea and air.

You can't even use the "Gas prices are at $20 a gallon!" thing because that doesn't happen for a few years after the invasion. You also have to love the Peak Oil scenario the game provides for why the US suddenly doesn't give a gently caress about Asia. This entire game is based on crackpot theories and ideas and all you can do is laugh at the fear mongering.

They do handwave that poo poo, they didn't invade, Kim Jong Un in game is charismatic and handsome and unified Korea, creating the greater Korean Republic or something, it's in the intro, but I can't blame anyone for not watching it. I kept finding other things to do even while recording it. It was supposed to be China, as stated above, but they changed it to avoid hurting their sales. I'm having a hell of a time finding the interview with one of the devs where he swears up and down how plausible it is. If anyone knows a good place to grab them, send me a PM or post that poo poo and I'll throw it in the OP, the interviews are hilarious.

Nebiros fucked around with this message at Jan 7, 2015 around 01:17

discworld is all I read
Apr 7, 2009

DAIJOUBU!! ... Daijoubu ?? ?


Nebiros posted:

They do handwave that poo poo, they didn't invade, Kim Jong Un in game is charismatic and handsome and unified Korea, creating the greater Korean Republic or something, it's in the intro, but I can't blame anyone for not watching it. I kept finding other things to do even while recording it. It was supposed to be China, as stated above, but they changed it to avoid hurting their sales. I'm having a hell of a time finding the interview with one of the devs where he swears up and down how plausible it is. If anyone knows a good place to grab them, send me a PM or post that poo poo and I'll throw it in the OP, the interviews are hilarious.
I was able to find this interview and it showed off not only their bland ideas that they try to play up (i.e. this slide is just like your slide at home, but now it's in a Korean controlled nation....so it's totally alien). More importantly it shows the early actor they had for Kim Jong Un who looked gently caress all like Kim Jong Un.

Never forget that Kaos Studios made Frontlines and have always sucked/deserve no sympathy.

Ghost Stromboli
Mar 31, 2011


You know it's gonna be bad if it was inspired by Red Dawn. But there's no way to explain how literally anyone in the world could be charismatic enough to just get the good half of Korea to unify under the the half where everyone fake cries for the ghost of their glorious, never-pooping leader.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010



Niggurath posted:

I was able to find this interview and it showed off not only their bland ideas that they try to play up (i.e. this slide is just like your slide at home, but now it's in a Korean controlled nation....so it's totally alien). More importantly it shows the early actor they had for Kim Jong Un who looked gently caress all like Kim Jong Un.

Never forget that Kaos Studios made Frontlines and have always sucked/deserve no sympathy.

I kind of, sort of liked Frontlines

SSNeoman
Jul 19, 2011



Kibayasu posted:

I kind of, sort of liked Frontlines

You're replying to a dude who qa tested the game.

God gently caress Connor. "I sweetened the deal. I got White Phosphorous!"
"What."
"Quit being a bitch!"

SSNeoman fucked around with this message at Jan 7, 2015 around 04:54

radintorov
Feb 18, 2011


Lazyfire posted:

You know, the funniest thing about this game isn't its series of hilarious failures on the gameplay and emotional fronts, but the sheer sci-fi concept of North Korea being able to overtake South Korea and then the rest of Asia. Like, under what scenario does a group of anorexic looking 5' North Koreans using hand-me-down weapons swarm across the DMZ into the face of modern weapon systems the South Koreans use and backed up by US air support and forces? Even if they brought their entire Submarine fleet to bear against US ships they're all decades old diesel dinosaurs. The same could be said about their other boats and ships. A couple aircraft carriers launching some F/A-18s could probably stop the invasion before it starts; land, sea and air.

You can't even use the "Gas prices are at $20 a gallon!" thing because that doesn't happen for a few years after the invasion. You also have to love the Peak Oil scenario the game provides for why the US suddenly doesn't give a gently caress about Asia. This entire game is based on crackpot theories and ideas and all you can do is laugh at the fear mongering.
Yeah, the whole thing was and still is so stupid as to be laughable and leaves me wondering why the devs thought it was a good idea. Or why there are people in general that thought this scenario plausible.
Although a minor nitpick: diesel-electric submarines, as long as they have a half-competent crew, are scary.

As for the game itself, I think I got it from a Steam Sale as part of a bundle deal, but I never bothered installing it, and seeing this LP I don't really regret it.

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 6, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!



Lazyfire posted:

You can't even use the "Gas prices are at $20 a gallon!" thing because that doesn't happen for a few years after the invasion. You also have to love the Peak Oil scenario the game provides for why the US suddenly doesn't give a gently caress about Asia. This entire game is based on crackpot theories and ideas and all you can do is laugh at the fear mongering.

HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!


This game is 2009 as gently caress.

It might be only 4 years old at this point, but all the fears about oil prices and economic collapse and invasion by yellow people look quaint as hell today now that all that crap is (for the time being) behind us.


HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

THE CODEX NERDSTARTES DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR NIETZSCHEAN SUPERMEN ARTWORK! SO SAYETH WE ALL! *fart*

Fun Shoe

It's really funny to have this on the same subforum and at the same time as Wolfenstein: The New Order, which successfully pulls off a concentration camp level, moments of peace, exciting combat, interesting weapons, and all that good poo poo and managed to be surprisingly lengthy to boot. Compared to this.

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 6, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!



Night10194 posted:

It's really funny to have this on the same subforum and at the same time as Wolfenstein: The New Order, which successfully pulls off a concentration camp level, moments of peace, exciting combat, interesting weapons, and all that good poo poo and managed to be surprisingly lengthy to boot. Compared to this.

HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!

I was the one who told Broman he should LP that one. You're welcome

But yeah, this game is very much the anti-Wolfenstein. Also can't wait for the next episode when he can really hate Connor Morgan.

HOME IS WHERE THE WAR IS!

Kitty Burger
May 23, 2005
Mmm, taste like kitty...

As I was confessing to Neb and the others in mumble last night, I paid retail for this game when it came out. It's as terrible now as it was then. There are just so many things this game does wrong. It's not even bad in a good way.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

radintorov posted:

Yeah, the whole thing was and still is so stupid as to be laughable and leaves me wondering why the devs thought it was a good idea. Or why there are people in general that thought this scenario plausible.
Although a minor nitpick: diesel-electric submarines, as long as they have a half-competent crew, are scary.

As for the game itself, I think I got it from a Steam Sale as part of a bundle deal, but I never bothered installing it, and seeing this LP I don't really regret it.

I have no idea how true it is but I remember hearing rumours when this game was released hearing that they had originally planned to have the invaders be the Chinese but that was scrapped and they were replaced with North Koreans because reasons.

Frankly while the game would still be total poo poo the giant army out of nowhere would at least vaguely make sense if it was a giant Chinese army. That's almost plausible, North Korea is just a joke though.

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

I LOVE TO TROLL GBS


Neruz posted:

I have no idea how true it is but I remember hearing rumours when this game was released hearing that they had originally planned to have the invaders be the Chinese but that was scrapped and they were replaced with North Koreans because reasons.

Frankly while the game would still be total poo poo the giant army out of nowhere would at least vaguely make sense if it was a giant Chinese army. That's almost plausible, North Korea is just a joke though.

It's been mentioned a couple times in the thread that the original intention was indeed to have the Chinese be the invaders, but that makes even less sense than the North Koreans because the majority of Chinese goods end up in the US and the Chinese depend on us to develop technology and manufacturing techniques for them to steal. Taking over the US and turning it into a prison nation makes zero sense considering that whole situation.

Flesnolk
Apr 11, 2012

If only, THUNDERDOME


That might be another poorly-aged relic of the time and mindset this game was released in - if I recall, there was a big fear at the time, in the circles this game was aimed at, that China was inevitably going to take over everything in the very near future, including either conquering the US or just outright buying it (I don't remember how they were said to be supposed to do that, something to do with buying shares in the national debt? Whatever). That's probably what this and Red Dawn were trying to cash in on before having to edit the Chinese into North Koreans, it's pretty blatant "don't trust them easterners" sabre-rattling.

As for the invincible high tech guerillas vs. a horde of incompetent bunglers that still somehow took over everything, that's pretty much Propaganda 101 - present your target as all powerful, omnipresent, and a threat to everything, yet at the same time abjectly weak and incompetent and easily defeated by your side if the people your propaganda is directed towards would just take up arms already.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011



I saw this thread and tried to find an article from Kotaku where they said that the story made sense because all of the leaps for fiction were "little". I couldn't find the story but instead found a few where the "journalist" says that homefront is going to be awesome because it's designed to make the player angry about the lax attitude of the american public towards their infrastructure etc.

Seriously, and used it as part of a discussion that the next big bad guy for video games was the economy.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Lazyfire posted:

It's been mentioned a couple times in the thread that the original intention was indeed to have the Chinese be the invaders, but that makes even less sense than the North Koreans because the majority of Chinese goods end up in the US and the Chinese depend on us to develop technology and manufacturing techniques for them to steal. Taking over the US and turning it into a prison nation makes zero sense considering that whole situation.

Politically, economically and common-sensically there is no reason for anyone to engage in any large scale warfare between Regional Powers (or Superpowers) at present; the age of massive conventional World Wars is over and will hopefully never come back because most of the world generally decided that those things are a loving terrible idea after the second one, though to be fair the fact that we needed to do it twice first probably says something about humanity.

There is just straight up never going to be a good reason for a Regional Power to outright invade another Regional Power in the current state of affairs and barring major changes in international policy, weapons and strategy such a situation is simply not going to happen; this is the era of the proxy war where Regional Powers and our one surviving Superpower fight by using smaller and less powerful countries that have important resources or diplomatic connections and are typically somewhere in the middle east.

So given that you will never have a good reason for a massive conventional force to invade the modern USA you could at least have the invading force be a nation that could theoretically have the resources and manpower to actually launch an invasion.

And not goddamn North 'we're afraid of christmas trees' Korea.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead.


Wars are best done through the internet. Even better when doing so results in it not being considered an act of war.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012


Fallen Rib

Flesnolk posted:

That might be another poorly-aged relic of the time and mindset this game was released in - if I recall, there was a big fear at the time, in the circles this game was aimed at, that China was inevitably going to take over everything in the very near future, including either conquering the US or just outright buying it (I don't remember how they were said to be supposed to do that, something to do with buying shares in the national debt? Whatever). That's probably what this and Red Dawn were trying to cash in on before having to edit the Chinese into North Koreans, it's pretty blatant "don't trust them easterners" sabre-rattling.

It's kind of funny to imagine a game like this (technology levels not withstanding) coming out in the 80s when it was the Japanese that were going to buy out America wholesale. Just think, we could have had an FPS about the Japanese Self-Defense Army invading the US instead.

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

Kai Tave posted:

It's kind of funny to imagine a game like this (technology levels not withstanding) coming out in the 80s when it was the Japanese that were going to buy out America wholesale. Just think, we could have had an FPS about the Japanese Self-Defense Army invading the US instead.

Incidentally here's the games official timeline of events: http://homefront.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

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Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

David D. Davidson posted:

Incidentally here's the games official timeline of events: http://homefront.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

'Kim Jong-un achieves in negotiating peace between North and South Korea, forming the foundation for the Greater Korean Republic. He also receives the Nobel Peace Prize for his accomplishment of Korean reunification'

This may in fact be the least plausible plot point ever programmed into a video game.

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