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Zaphod42 posted:I love how they're like "Don't drive" and she's just like "uhhhhhh but I had to drive! Anyways---" because her prepared speech didn't account for people being like "50 accidents? The gently caress?" Someone forgets that Photoshop is a thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUa5Ih_Mmdk&t=18m50s
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Celery Face posted:Vet on Shark Tank pitches pet food which he claims prevents all disease and makes pets live 50% longer. Only one investor has the sense to call him out. Yeah Robert often seems like the savviest of the Sharks to me, he's usually the first to call out BS, and he does so here. Kevin O'Leary (Mr.Wonderful  as he named himself) meanwhile is my least favorite Shark because he's always a total dick about everything, even if he agrees to a deal he's a dick about it, and surprise surprise, he actually loving defends mr. crazy vet "my dog medicine cures cancer" here.  He buys it hook, line and sinker.Its almost sad though, it seems the vet here is really just too stupid and naive to understand he's completely wrong. If there was a simple food additive that prevented cancer, companies would be selling us Anti-Cancer Flakes for breakfast. Afterwards the guy is like "hey it only prevents cancer, it doesn't cure cancer. I'm not crazy!".  GrandpaPants posted:I love it when people try to "play the game" and shoot themselves in the foot as a result of it, so here's a dumb Kickstarter'ed thing (thing is the most accurate way to describe this that I can muster) that lost 150k or 250k because they got greedy/indecisive: Yeah people are stupid not accepting offers or going into the show not knowing what they will or won't accept. But what the gently caress is up with Kevin. "What is Wrong? You've got two offers! Make a decision!" Seems like a dick move if they're a partnership and not just one sole owner. They need to discuss if they agree, dipshit! I think on Dragon's Den they even have like an office where they're allowed to go talk. But on Shark Tank they're like gently caress you, agree now or get the hell out of here. Yeah and during this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZGc1dV7tU8 (where the male Dragons all look pretty slimey) you have Kevin being like "okay piss off, give us time to talk among ourselves". I guess if you have the money, you get all the power though. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 23:43 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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This is probably my favorite Shark Tank ever. Surprisingly its a heart-of-gold story, not maximum schadenfreude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDexuP6uYc He comes in looking like a nutjob peddling a crazy wacko "invention", and they almost write him off completely. Just 5 minutes later the sharks are caught in a bidding war, trying to buy out his entire company outright. They don't even want a stake, they want it all. To his credit, dude holds his own, turns down a four million dollar offer  and manages to get pretty much exactly what he wanted.I wonder what happened to this guy. (And if he ended up making more) Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 23:21 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Jan 19, 2015 23:17
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah and during this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZGc1dV7tU8 (where the male Dragons all look pretty slimey) you have Kevin being like "okay piss off, give us time to talk among ourselves". I guess if you have the money, you get all the power though. I've seen, on Dragon's Den Canada, a ton of times where they're more than happy to let people go out in the hall and discuss the deal or even call up another partner that didn't make it that day. Shark Tank is just a piece of poo poo show most of the time. Think it's just the nature of American reality shows
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GrandpaPants posted:This is really weird, one of the dragons got offended at the idea of kelp caviar, saying that it was a scam, despite the fact that the name of it was kelp caviar. I really don't get it: http://youtu.be/kgTzgCX7tNk?t=9m6s Rich people are stuck up and full of bullshit. Most of the dragons actually got it, it was just the one guy who was too stuck up for the concept. The guy pitching gets a couple deals though, so the rest of them got the potential. Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I've seen, on Dragon's Den Canada, a ton of times where they're more than happy to let people go out in the hall and discuss the deal or even call up another partner that didn't make it that day. Shark Tank is just a piece of poo poo show most of the time. Think it's just the nature of American reality shows Yeah. Like I was saying I think Dragon's Den UK has a named "room" which is like part of the show, you can go to that room to talk about stuff. Shark tank, not so much. They definitely vet the people before they go on the show, and you know the producers saw some of those (like the water that cures cancer guy) wouldn't fly. They let them through to create the "reality show" dynamic. (which... is why some people watch) Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 01:02 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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I don't understand how Bulletball took 26 years and an entire mortgage of that man's money. As best as I could tell, all he did was build a table, and I'm surprised none of the Dragons asked him that question. I mean, I understand that there was clearly more to that guy's issues and maybe it wouldn't be polite, but I just still wonder... HOW?
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Vargo posted:I don't understand how Bulletball took 26 years and an entire mortgage of that man's money. As best as I could tell, all he did was build a table, and I'm surprised none of the Dragons asked him that question. I imagine being taken to the cleaners by manufacturers and going through several revisions costing more and more. And maybe employing several other people in various secretarial or demonstration positions, thinking this is going to grow into some huge thing. Some of my favorite Dragons/Sharks are when somebody says the mortgaged their house, and all the Dragons/Sharks are just like "....why. Oh god no." The sad part though is when they have kids.  Those poor kids don't give a poo poo about dad's stupid board game or whatever, but their childhood suffers.Cake Attack posted:oh my god Celery Face posted:Crazy person pitches a spaceship city. The model is very phallic looking and this doesn't go unnoticed. I made the same mistake 
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Zaphod42 posted:Some of my favorite Dragons/Sharks are when somebody says the mortgaged their house, and all the Dragons/Sharks are just like "....why. Oh god no." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hDuFfua2Zs&t=26m53s Zaphod42 posted:Yeah Robert often seems like the savviest of the Sharks to me, he's usually the first to call out BS, and he does so here. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-mark-cuban-call-out-a-total-scam-on-abcs-shark-tank/ http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/shark-tank-preview-mark-cuban-744735
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All three of those are quality viewing. Oh man.  I'd seen the strawberry before but not the other two. Found a link to the full episode for the second one, but its kinda small. The other one I found was horrible quality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw_f_ftWQZ4 $10M for ankle weights strapped to a training bra. Its worth watching because he goes for awhile, and then Mark Cuban goes crazy and calls super bullshit. The clip makes it look like he calls him straight off but it builds up. Also Kevin Leary goes full dickhead. 
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Zaphod42 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw_f_ftWQZ4 Edit: Thanks! Celery Face has a new favorite as of 07:50 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Celery Face posted:Which episode is it? I can't watch because I'm Canadian. S6E7 of Shark Tank. This episode is great, there's another group who are getting offers but they keep refusing them because they don't want to give up any real equity. On another, Kevin Leary, "...I'm out" Pitcher, "Thankyou" Kevin Leary, "Don't thank me! Fix it!" Seriously he is just the biggest douche. I guess at this point he does it on purpose, he's become like Simon on American Idol. C.M. Kruger posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CidwMIjukDs This guy invested over $200,000 in disgusting birch sap water and birch sap "wine". "This water tastes like wood. Its certainly a unique flavor, I'll give you that."  Ahahahaha Kevin Leary calls it poopoo and the guy counters with "I don't know what poopoo tastes like why do you" 
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Jan 20, 2015 07:40
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Kevin's primary MO on any of the shows is always about making money. If I were in the Tank/Den, I'd be super wary of any offers he makes, since he never strikes me as a guy who would actually give a poo poo about the business. I can't recall any of those "update" segments featuring Kevin, either. That being said, here is a pitch that (eventually) caused Kevin to cry: http://youtu.be/bmg5oqXWskY?t=28m4s The one before that one is also really funny because wow, what a couple of morons.
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Celery Face posted:Guy values a children's chatroom with very 90's looking animal mascots at 1 million. For some reason, I had a lot of trouble getting through this one. There's a hippy with crystals right after this too. Amazing right here, guy mentions he'd mortgage his house if he had to, already put in a quarter million of his own money. For rapping cats. Also more top notch Kevin O'Leary dickery, saying "I forbid you to put any more money into this" like he lords over them. (Really though don't spend any more money on rapping cats what the gently caress is wrong with you) Here's a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F2hYaACO9g starts at 22m28s in Guys try to create a emergency response app. Good idea, but there's not really much a phone can do for emergency response other than call 911. He invested 3M of his own money  Also Kevin O'Leary calls himself the "cash whisperer" and later on declares orange wine to "taste like poo poo" (because its not up to his wine purity standards) and immediately after all the rest of the Sharks go "this tastes great!". And at the end of the episode Jimmy Kimmel pitches Horse Pants. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 19:20 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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First one of this episode is great. Guy who's been on the show with a terrible idea before comes back with a casino game, they all think he's nuts, he demonstrates his game, they go "oh my god, this is brilliant" and throw money at him. http://youtu.be/R36L-aS4kJs
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Luigi Thirty posted:First one of this episode is great. Guy who's been on the show with a terrible idea before comes back with a casino game, they all think he's nuts, he demonstrates his game, they go "oh my god, this is brilliant" and throw money at him. Towards the end a guy pitches a medical marijuana business. Jim immediately gets out because he used to be a cop and people who smoke weed also sell heroin. All of them. I gotta give it to Kevin O'Leary though; as much as he's entirely a money-focused rear end in a top hat, he is entirely a money-focused rear end in a top hat. He doesn't give the guy a hard time at all since its a legitimate business. The poor guy presenting it looked insanely nervous though. I wonder how much they edited
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Zaphod42 posted:Towards the end a guy pitches a medical marijuana business. Jim immediately gets out because he used to be a cop and people who smoke weed also sell heroin. All of them. On the other end of the spectrum, here's an idiot making a pitch for pot cookies. She clearly sampled quite a bit of her own product beforehand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2j8kz852w
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah people are stupid not accepting offers or going into the show not knowing what they will or won't accept. And then they went to the hall to confer, did you watch the end of the video. You are allowed to go out the back and confer/phone call in Shark Tank just like the other versions.
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How am I only finding about this show now? People making asses out of themselves and getting taken down a few dozen pegs is extremely my poo poo.
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Tracula posted:How am I only finding about this show now? People making asses out of themselves and getting taken down a few dozen pegs is extremely my poo poo. Good news, you've got multiple seasons of back episodes for three different shows to catch up on. So much schadenfreude  Celery Face posted:And Robert points out that there's no reason for the others to be rude to him. It sucks that Robert's not on the Canadian version anymore because he's easily my favourite dragon. Yeah, Robert is definitely my favorite. He's tech savvy and he's also generally very nice (while being a little mean to people who really loving deserve it). He's also the son of an immigrant (like me) and he worked his way up rags-to-riches, unlike some of the other dragons who probably had a lot of advantages in life. Wandle Cax posted:And then they went to the hall to confer, did you watch the end of the video. You are allowed to go out the back and confer/phone call in Shark Tank just like the other versions. I just think its weird that he gave them so much poo poo. If Shark Tank lets you confer whenever you want like dragon's den, its even weirder he gave them such a loving hard time for it. Like I said before though, I guess if you have the money, you have the power. I guess he was just pressuring them to make a split-second decision, but again that's a dick move if there's more than one person in your group. Of loving course you need to go talk this over, its a huge deal. Just goes back to what I was saying about Kevin being a huge dick, but he's kinda the heel of the show at this point. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 00:06 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah, Robert is definitely my favorite. He's tech savvy and he's also generally very nice (while being a little mean to people who really loving deserve it). He's also the son of an immigrant (like me) and he worked his way up rags-to-riches, unlike some of the other dragons who probably had a lot of advantages in life. Robert in the segment with the silver water segment was great. Dude was very obviously pissed as hell and it was a bit scary to see the usually cool guy seething at that guy. Edit: For some reason, it feels like the sharks in general really dislike hesitation. Daymond has definitely backed out of a deal with people who can't make a firm decision. I think Cuban does that a bit too. Lori, Barbara and Robert don't really seem to give a poo poo. Along those lines, I think it's weird when the sharks are offended when the pitchers want to see if the other sharks have an offer. GrandpaPants has a new favorite as of 00:11 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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GrandpaPants posted:Robert in the segment with the silver water segment was great. Dude was very obviously pissed as hell and it was a bit scary to see the usually cool guy seething at that guy. I think it's just a tactic for the American version, to increase the pressure on the people coming in to pitch their products. Lord knows American reality TV is all about tension, and if they don't have to spend as much time making anxiety-inducing cuts and putting in obnoxious sound cues, all the better. I mean, it sure as hell isn't good business sense. I'm sure all of the people on there give a ton of thought to anything involving that much money.
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This is the only reality TV I've watched in a very long time. I've been jumping back and forth between the American and Canadian version, and the thing that bothers me most about Shark Tank is that awful "rusty gate opening" sound effect they drop in whenever something dramatic happens. It's loving constant.
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watching a bunch of episodes and kevin has a weird habit of giving objectively worse offers than an existing offer like he just offered 200,000 for 50% right after arlene offered 200,000 for 40%. does he really think people like him that much? also did he really give himself the nickname mr. wonderful because if so lol
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I think it's just a tactic for the American version, to increase the pressure on the people coming in to pitch their products. Lord knows American reality TV is all about tension, and if they don't have to spend as much time making anxiety-inducing cuts and putting in obnoxious sound cues, all the better. Yeah they ratchet up the pressure/assholishness on the american version. The Canadian version is more chill but they let more kooks in to compensate.
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Lagomorphic posted:Yeah they ratchet up the pressure/assholishness on the american version. The Canadian version is more chill but they let more kooks in to compensate. Pretty much the exact same deal with Kitchen Nightmares with the US vs UK version. You can even tell they gently caress around with the saturation in the US one too to make it look more dramatic, use more orchestra stings, etc.
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Cake Attack posted:watching a bunch of episodes and kevin has a weird habit of giving objectively worse offers than an existing offer
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Copa di Vino part 1 Copa di Vino part 2 This guy is such a dumbass. Whenever I want to introduce people to Shark Tank, I show them this guy. I also show them Chord Buddy, this one is really really good! This is a perfect example of a product that is a great idea, very well built, and a guy who is passionate about it with a great personality and makes a great presentation. E: Video quality is god awful, sorry about that. Golden Bee posted:The dragons/Sharks are right to be peeved. There's an aspect of playing it up for the camera, sure, but they have incredibly long days. For every hour of show, they probably tape 2.5, and setup, makeup and contestant wrangling takes hours again. So they've been around on set for between 1-3 hours MINIMUM before the first pitch comes in. In hot lights, and then having idiots give them things they can't work with. There's a radio show here in Dallas, and one of the presenters' wife went on Shark Tank. By the sounds of it, they are in that room for up to 12 hours, each pitch could be 1 or 2 hours that they have to cut down to 15 minutes, and then hair/makeup and changing clothes to make it look like it was filmed on different days and such. MissileWaster has a new favorite as of 05:18 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Funny enough, I just watched this one that referenced the Copa di Vino guy: http://youtu.be/zdpAISYy320?t=30m28s
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It's hilarious whenever someone evades a question about numbers by driving right to "I'm passionate about this".
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GrandpaPants posted:Along those lines, I think it's weird when the sharks are offended when the pitchers want to see if the other sharks have an offer. Yeah that also seems like a douche move. Like, I get that you want to lock them into your deal and you don't want a bidding war, but this is loving shark tank and that's a thing that is going to happen, let it happen. Don't rush the guy so much. Thing is remember these pitches can last hours, and get edited down. People who do reality TV editing can craft a whole new fable out of a scene, by changing the order of events or putting things right after each other that didn't happen near each other, etc. So we don't really know what happened. MissileWaster posted:Copa di Vino part 1 Wow. At first I was like "What's so bad about this guy? He's doing well..." Oh jeeze. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 06:21 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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MissileWaster posted:Copa di Vino part 1 I binged thru a ridiculous amount of Dragons Den CA the other day while home sick and noticed that Arlene's wearing the same outfit and jewelry for quite a few episodes. They definitely shoot multiple eps in one day. And wow, that Copa di Vino guy's a piece of work.
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Man, I don't get that Copa Di Vino guy. He could license that product, make tons of money and then kick back and buy a plot to grow his own grapes to make his dumbass wine. He's so confident in his own brand that he can't see how valuable what he has is. Also I see that poo poo in every liquor store around here but I've never bought any because I generally drink wine by the bottle.
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In the end though the Copa Di Vino guy seemed to make out fine on his own. In the end one of them says " I think that guy was our first gold digger; somebody on the show purely for the publicity" They may have been saying that just because they were frustrated with him, but it does seem possible that he went on the show knowing his business was doing well and never intending to sell them a piece of it, just to get some free advertisement. He goes on and pitches the show and people see the sharks/dragons considering it and see the pitch video, and then after he leaves the show he has 10x as many investors lined up wanting to offer him even sweeter deals. Or maybe it just gets people to start buying his product. Either way I could see it.
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Zaphod42 posted:They may have been saying that just because they were frustrated with him, but it does seem possible that he went on the show knowing his business was doing well and never intending to sell them a piece of it, just to get some free advertisement. I think someone in the schadenfreude thread said that Shark Tank (and presumably Dragon's Den) gets a royalty fee because of the "advertising." I don't know if that's true or not, though. Also I like how Barbara was about to quit Shark Tank over that bullshit. I also really hope Kevin's Zipit guy crushes the poo poo out of Copa di Vino. GrandpaPants has a new favorite as of 18:05 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Nativity In Black posted:Man, I don't get that Copa Di Vino guy. He could license that product, make tons of money and then kick back and buy a plot to grow his own grapes to make his dumbass wine. He's so confident in his own brand that he can't see how valuable what he has is. I think it turned out that the reason he couldn't license it was he didn't really own the patent and bought the right to use it off someone else. Several of the people who come on the shows turn out to be trying to resell something they actually bought off someone else but they present themselves as having come up with it all on their own. Sometimes the hosts wring it out of them and it turns out some inventor in Europe actually came up with it all and they just paid $XXXXX for the North American rights and other times it comes up during the off-screen due diligence part so on the show it looks like a success but then it goes nowhere.
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GrandpaPants posted:I think someone in the schadenfreude thread said that Shark Tank (and presumably Dragon's Den) gets a royalty fee because of the "advertising." I don't know if that's true or not, though. They used to do it in the past, but don't anymore.
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Zaphod42 posted:In the end though the Copa Di Vino guy seemed to make out fine on his own. DDP did the same thing, came in with an insane valuation for a workout DVD and played it off like a free infomercial. Cake Attack posted:watching a bunch of episodes and kevin has a weird habit of giving objectively worse offers than an existing offer There's one episode where someone's starting a makeup business I think? And values it at $2 million. They agree she has good sales numbers through online catalogs and she says she needs to get marketing and sales reps set up to get it in stores. They go "well, you don't need cash for that, you need a loan" and Kevin immediately offers her a $2 million dollar loan to be called in at any time with 80% of the business as collateral and immediately gets shut down by both the woman and the other dragons.  And in the end she got the $250,000 she was asking for from someone else. Luigi Thirty has a new favorite as of 20:47 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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