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out of character: Wait, you guys do know that this is a troll thread from gbs, right? Everyone is still doing satire? Just wanted to make sure that we are still on the same page. Heil Hilter!
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KomradeX posted:Hilarious fact the pledge of Aleigence was originally designed as a way to sell American flags to immigrants in the late 19th century. America had always ever been about the supremacy of capitalism. And it was developed by a socialist. To sell flags.
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computer parts posted:And it was developed by a socialist. To sell flags. Pretty much, America is indeed a wondrous place...to sell poo poo to.
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computer parts posted:And it was developed by a socialist. To sell flags. gently caress I did forget that that he was a socialist. Ardennes posted:Pretty much, America is indeed a wondrous place...to sell poo poo to. They don't call it the Almighty Dollar for anything. waitwhatno posted:out of character: Most of the posts are obviously troll posts just be glad MIGF isn't here.
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DarkCrawler posted:Israel not a democracy. It is an apartheid state that actively practices colonialism. United States' support of it is one of the greatest sins it has today. It's probably not the best idea to try and get into a discussion with that guy about this. He's pretty obviously not open to changing his opinion and seems to be more or less representative of the majority of folks that just believe what makes them comfortable mixed with a fair share of casual racism (god forbid he decides to elaborate on that "blacks and natives receive special treatment" comment). Like I mentioned earlier, his knowledge about US history seems to not extend beyond that of a child, and the response to a list of US (or Israeli for that matter) atrocities will just be "well no one's perfect but they're still better than everyone else."
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waitwhatno posted:Wait, you guys do know that this is a troll thread from gbs, right? Everyone is still doing satire? Just wanted to make sure that we are still on the same page. Heil Hilter! Speak for yourself. I treat this thread and the posters within with the same amount of respect I have for any other thread or poster in D&D.
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Randler posted:Speak for yourself. I treat this thread and the posters within with the same amount of respect I have for any other thread or poster in D&D. None?
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waitwhatno posted:out of character: I you want to do satire, the correct ending there is "Heil Hitler, and have a nice day."
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'Pride' feels like a misnomer for what I feel about being Canadian, but it sounds better in regular conversation than 'I'm totally lucky and happy about the fact I was born a white guy in Canada,' I think nationalism is poison- solidarity and community is great but when it comes at the expense of otherizing and dehumanizing people who aren't from the same country as you it's pretty silly. Taking pride in the accomplishments of others is kind of lame. Heck sometimes I feel taking pride in my own accomplishments is arrogant. A lot of people and institutions in my life led me to be who I am and made that success possible. I couldn't possibly have been successful without my parents, grandparents, excellent teachers, profs, supervisors, friends, girlfriend... Everyone bears some some responsibility for who I am, I'm not some kind of Randian übermensch.
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Being proud of your country is verboten in europe. Blame the lefties.
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Jan 19, 2015 02:00
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DarkCrawler posted:Israel not a democracy. It is an apartheid state that actively practices colonialism. United States' support of it is one of the greatest sins it has today. what stupidity is this? I dont care how they treat non citizens. The israeli state is more than welcome to determine who recieves citizenship and therefore the benefits of the state. Their not obligated to give social services to anyone who wanders into their lands. Anyone not happy with the social services offered in israel is free to move 50 miles in any direction to join one of the more pleasant muslim countries in the area Israel is a democracy because they elect their leaders. That is whats being discussed...focus. read and understand the words. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Israel elections = democracy whether you agree with how they behave doesnt change that simple simple fact. DarkCrawler posted:Iraq is considered a failed state by any metric by literally every organization and country in the world, including the United States. If you need me to post proof about this you're goddamn hopeless. their a failed state when theres no more iraq on my google map search. They can have all kinds of internal turmoil their new and they suck at this election stuff. Thats like saying America is a failed state mid civil war. Or france is a failed state mid french revolution. You internet ideologists live a cloud of dreams. Thank goodness men with their feet planted on the ground run the world and not these neckbeards davidb fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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davidb posted:what stupidity is this? I dont care how they treat non citizens. Well, that explains a lot. Why do you give a flying gently caress about what the Soviets did to the Polish, then? But if you had actually read the links posted, you would have noticed that Israel treats its non-Jewish citizens in an inferior way to its Jewish citizens, making it an apartheid state. davidb posted:The israeli state is more than welcome to determine who recieves citizenship and therefore the benefits of the state. Their not obligated to give social services to anyone who wanders into their lands. So the British Empire was a democracy as well? Apartheid South Africa? All the people they ruled over without giving them representation just didn't count? Syria had elections a while back too. davidb posted:their a failed state when theres no more iraq on my google map search. They can have all kinds of internal turmoil their new and they suck at this election stuff. Thats like saying America is a failed state mid civil war. Or france is a failed state mid french revolution. Haha, you don't know what a failed state even means, do you?
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davidb posted:their a failed state when theres no more iraq on my google map search. Somalia: highly successful democracy. Got it.
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Jan 19, 2015 02:21
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ThirdPartyView posted:Somalia: highly successful democracy. Got it. There's no functioning government aka libertarian dreamland.
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Disinterested posted:There's no functioning government aka libertarian dreamland. They're on google map search, though, so they're a highly successful democracy by davidb's standards...? 
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You know he's right about America and Europe vis a vis eastern Europe.
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Jan 19, 2015 02:23
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America managed to gently caress up in Eastern Europe even though literally all they had to do was wait for the USSR to collapse. Instead they sent a bunch of assholes over to "help" by telling the newly independent states in Eastern European to privatize everything. The ones who went, "Lol, gently caress that and gently caress off" tend to be doing a lot better than the ones who listened.
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DarkCrawler posted:Haha, you don't know what a failed state even means, do you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state "Although there is no general consensus on the definition" DarkCrawler posted:Well, that explains a lot. Why do you give a flying gently caress about what the Soviets did to the Polish, then? I care about america getting the respect it deserves for freeing Poland from communist control. Im not on here bitching about how mean russia was to Poland. Hell, germany and poland have a longer history of killing each other and germany gets tons of respect from me. You guys get so caught up in the slightest details you miss the forest for the trees. America loving rocks and has done some really great stuff for world peace and democracy. All you care about is whether a country has a perfect track record. DarkCrawler posted:But if you had actually read the links posted, you would have noticed that Israel treats its non-Jewish citizens in an inferior way to its Jewish citizens, making it an apartheid state. having apartheid doesnt stop a country from having a democracy. You dont have to be a perfect democracy to be a, democracy. And frankly, if I was israel in an ocean of hostile muslims or other factions I wouldnt give full voting rights to everyone either. The middle east isnt the land of my little ponies where you can just open your doors and trust the people who flood in. Egypt cant trust its own people, Iraq cant trust its own people. The middle east is an orgy of hatred and violence. Whatever israel has to do to survive as a reasonably sane democracy in the hornets nest over there I support. syria had elections...werent they rigged or something? im willing to concede that a completely bastardized mockery of elections probably falls outside my initial statement of election = democracy. so its not so black and white on that
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This thread only taught me one thing: you are a complete ignoramus, and aggressively so.
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Jan 19, 2015 02:40
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This thread taught me your the kind of person that uses ignoramus unironically.
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Jan 19, 2015 02:55
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The USSR was a greater force for good in the world than the United States. The alternate universe where the
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Mornacale posted:The USSR was a greater force for good in the world than the United States. The alternate universe where the I actually wouldn't necessarily say that, the Soviets actually did plenty of despicable things and the Soviet leadership was rather notoriously uncompromising. However, it wasn't necessarily a battle between good and evil either as it has been historically framed in the US. It would have been actually better for the world if the Soviets had slowly reformed but still have retained potent and socialist. We sort of got the "inbetween scenario" in which the US won but had no competition and thus no reason to really restrain or reform itself either. From a Polish perspective the Soviets needed to go down as soon as possible, but it wasn't necessarily actually the best thing for the world. It wouldn't have almost have been such a great thing for El Salvador if the US collapse on itself either.
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davidb posted:I care about america getting the respect it deserves for freeing Poland from communist control. quote:having apartheid doesnt stop a country from having a democracy. quote:Egypt cant trust its own people, Iraq cant trust its own people. Says who? The dictators who kill innocent protesters? quote:syria had elections...werent they rigged or something? im willing to concede that a completely bastardized mockery of elections probably falls outside my initial statement of election = democracy. so its not so black and white on that
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LookingGodIntheEye posted:So rigged elections are not okay, but apartheid is? Basically, free elections aren't really free if you don't have equal rights for the population, it is a fair criticism of the US before civil rights as well. Also, the US seems to be moving back that way. Hey see it isn't just a thread for making GBS threads on Europe!
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Mornacale posted:The USSR was a greater force for good in the world than the United States. The alternate universe where the That is the silliest thing I have read in a very long time.
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waitwhatno posted:out of character: No I think this is the part of the thread where people with broken brains post about how Hitler had some really good ideas.
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Well he definitely knew how to dress his stormtroopers in a way that screamed 'I'm stylish AND murderous.' to such an extent that we're yet to better it 70 years later. Although I think there were some Hizbollah uniforms with headgear that looked like the Brotherhood of NOD so maybe that's where we're headed.
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nopantsjack posted:I'm just saying the British Empire was already a world-spanning white supremacist empire seeking to wipe out or conquer the other races. White Supremacist is a bit unfair. After all, unlike the Irish, no one disputed that the Boers were white as can be and Britain had a grand old time putting them in concentration camps  Also they were pretty keen on continuing to blockade Germany for months after the armistice to get in another 100,000 dead civilians real quick before the Treaty of Versailles could be signed.
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You have to talk to the Hun in terms he can understand. Bad jokes and violence.
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Nah I think Britain's starvation campaigns are borne of jealousy and a deep-seated insecurity about English cooking.
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VitalSigns posted:Nah I think Britain's starvation campaigns are borne of jealousy and a deep-seated insecurity about English cooking. Some things are worth being insecure about.
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VitalSigns posted:Nah I think Britain's starvation campaigns are borne of jealousy and a deep-seated insecurity about English cooking. I think in terms of cooking, the English sense of superiority is safe against the swarthy German Menace. Only the Germans could gently caress up food enough to make a salad out of meats.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:I think in terms of cooking, the English sense of superiority is safe against the swarthy German Menace. Only the Germans could gently caress up food enough to make a salad out of meats. Ham, cheese, and indestructible brown bread that you could use to build houses are not breakfast foods.
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Volcott posted:That is the silliest thing I have read in a very long time. Sorry that you're totally ignorant of history and current events, I guess. Maybe you should try to read up before posting more.
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Poland deserved all the partitions it got and the fact that it couldn't naturally assert its own independence is very telling about its national character.
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Panzeh posted:Poland deserved all the partitions it got and the fact that it couldn't naturally assert its own independence is very telling about its national character. A nation of people that drinks pickle juice to cure its hangovers must be destroyed.
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Given the constant trouble with rebellions and secessionist movements from those unruly Poles, it's perfectly understandable for Austria, Prussia, Russia, Nazi Germany, and the USSR to deny them political rights and/or contain them in ghettos and concentration camps. That's the price of civilization in that barbarous place, those empires Did Nothing Wrong.
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We are willing to consider the possibility that they are allowed a token free city.
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Disinterested posted:A nation of people that drinks pickle juice to cure its hangovers must be destroyed. Agreed. I mean, drat, when you start looking around Europe and ask people if they want to be the king of your country and the one you find is the elector of Saxony, you know you're hosed. Then when the Prussians come running you're all "yeah you're our king but no we won't help you". Saxony got ripped off.
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Panzeh posted:Poland deserved all the partitions it got and the fact that it couldn't naturally assert its own independence is very telling about its national character. Poland actually had plans to invade Germany post-WW1 and annex great tracts of land so the glorious Großz-Polnizsche Woyarskingdom could have its resurgence. They weren't able to pull through because not even the French were willing to help the 'llacks against Germany.
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