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Which is the better game? I didn't include numbers or expansion packs because I don't know what those are currently. I think I'll have time to learn one or the other, but I'd like to hear what you guys think is the better one and why. I gather they're pretty similar in terms of concept. I'm like 99% certain I'd like them but which one is worth my time? PS. I don't play much grand strategy games, but for instance, I found that Civ 5's biggest problem was that the games took too long. All the good content was at the end of the game and it's been a few times that I've invested like 10 hours to a game and then I die due to 4 nations ganging up on me just before the good parts start. This isn't the point of this thread, though. Just to show you what kind of gamer I am.
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EU is a billion times less buggy and more playable at this moment.
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Jan 18, 2015 17:51
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Read. The freaking. Stickies. *punches you into the sky until you turn into a star*
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Jan 18, 2015 18:17
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victoria II
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Jan 18, 2015 18:43
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EU4 has you playing as an actual country. Most people go for challenging weak starts and try to become a big-rear end death cloud. CK2 has you play as dynasty, so even though you run a country it can be a little weird getting used to. You have to remember you aren't England, you are just the current King. A lot of Games morons love to quit if they lose some lands or w.e and CK2's whole point is that you can be huge and powerful for 20 years and then get cut back to a basic bitch count somewhere.
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Jan 18, 2015 18:52
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I haven't really played EU4 much but CK2 has a lot of somewhat goofy and unexpected things that can happen in any given playthrough. It's not a game of chance by any means, you just have to constantly adapt and change your strategies because the game is very dynamic. Don't be afraid of losses or setbacks here or there.
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Jan 18, 2015 18:54
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I found CK2 frustrating because you do a lot of waiting around for random events to happen, in Victoria II you can be proactive
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Jan 18, 2015 18:56
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Jan 18, 2015 19:08
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Most paradox games have the issue of having little to do in peacetime. EU4 is the biggest culprit.
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Jan 18, 2015 19:09
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Average Bear posted:Most paradox games have the issue of having little to do in peacetime. EU4 is the biggest culprit. in victoria there's industrialization and politics to play with, ck2 has the whole character component, but i cant for the life of me get into eu. it just feels like realtime risk to me
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Jan 18, 2015 19:54
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Haven't heard of Victoria 2, how does it compare?
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Jan 18, 2015 20:41
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Average Bear posted:Read. The freaking. Stickies. *punches you into the sky until you turn into a star* idk what you're talking about
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Jan 18, 2015 20:43
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A little outdated, but has a very pretty map and cool pop system. You spend more time conquering browns than Europe.
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Jan 18, 2015 20:44
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SnowblindFatal posted:Haven't heard of Victoria 2, how does it compare? it's my favorite Paradox game. You get to do the scramble for Africa and fight WWI and crush communist uprisings
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Jan 18, 2015 20:46
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there's political parties and social reforms, colonization, research is generally more important, you need to manage your industry to manufacture goods and build railways its cool, op
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Jan 18, 2015 20:51
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Gosh darn all these games sound really fun and cool. Damnit.
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Jan 18, 2015 20:58
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neither.
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Jan 18, 2015 21:00
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Average Bear posted:Read. The freaking. Stickies. *punches you into the sky until you turn into a star*
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Jan 19, 2015 04:47
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The more dynamic one is possibly CK but EU is probably the better one overall. If it helps you, I learned map games by playing CK1.
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Jan 19, 2015 04:48
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EU is probably a better intro to GSGs, but CK has more personality and flavor. Vic2 is also good but I'd say start with one of those and move up to it because it has a lot more to manage.
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Jan 19, 2015 05:40
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El Wombato posted:EU is probably a better intro to GSGs, Their called mapgames you mental midget.
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Jan 19, 2015 05:42
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Also, Victoria 1 was the 2nd map game I learned. It's not as overwhelming as folks like to pretend.
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Jan 19, 2015 05:42
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vicky 2 still doesnt feel very "complete"
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Jan 19, 2015 05:46
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im gonna vote for ck2 because you can have a child that is the spawn of satan, appoint witches to rule your lands, raise armies from hell, and watch as your demon child tortures and kills most of your family
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Jan 19, 2015 06:00
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grate deceiver posted:there's political parties and social reforms, colonization, research is generally more important, you need to manage your industry to manufacture goods and build railways all of that is true, but also, the UI is hot garbage I love it but I really would not recommend it to a new player
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Jan 19, 2015 06:06
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Average Bear posted:Read. The freaking. Stickies. *punches you into the sky until you turn into a star* I don;t want noobs making GBS threads up that thread with gay questions like "Hay gais! Eu 4 or CK2. I'm such a nerd  DDDDDD
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Jan 19, 2015 06:55
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i'd say EU IV. Both EU and CK2 are easy entry points to the genre but EU is more traditional and slightly easier thank CK2. In CK2 you could be trucking along great until you have a heretic revolt in your country, adventurers knocking on your door, vikings raiding your rear end, the pope excommunicating you and your wife deciding you really want arsenic in your stew. All at the same time. vicky2 is good but don't play it if youre new to the series.
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Jan 19, 2015 09:33
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darkest hour
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Jan 19, 2015 09:37
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imperialism is better than victoria 2 because it's actually a good game and good in the sense of playing to win the game in the herm edwards sense rather than having lame political or character systems
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Jan 19, 2015 12:25
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I do the same thing in all of these games. Make an enormously powerful and crushingly oppressive British empire.
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Jan 19, 2015 12:33
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Do both.
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Jan 19, 2015 14:42
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I had no idea these are called map games. A lovely name for strategy games imo. I thought the thread was about map-making for games and I'm past that stuff. Yeah, it looks like I'll have to check out at least EU 4 and CK 2. Luckily school's not that intense at the moment.
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Jan 19, 2015 16:26
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Hoodrich posted:vicky 2 still doesnt feel very "complete" i think /gsg/ really brings it together. nobody should ever play vanilla vicky 2 OP have you bought Victoria yet??
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Jan 19, 2015 17:19
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Yeah /gsg/ is basically Vic2+ altho I don't think they're developing it anymore.
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Jan 19, 2015 18:01
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ck2 is cool but don't buy the raja dlc apparently. thanks. eu4 is too slow and boring. victoria 2 is an impenetrable mess much like my beer gut haha
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Jan 19, 2015 18:07
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SnowblindFatal posted:I had no idea these are called map games. A lovely name for strategy games imo. I thought the thread was about map-making for games and I'm past that stuff. it's only what you call strategy games where it's played on like, an actual map. starcraft or age of wonders or something isn't a mapgame.
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Jan 19, 2015 18:22
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Pookum posted:im gonna vote for ck2 because you can have a child that is the spawn of satan, appoint witches to rule your lands, raise armies from hell, and watch as your demon child tortures and kills most of your family 
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Jan 19, 2015 19:34
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Frog Act posted:i think /gsg/ really brings it together. nobody should ever play vanilla vicky 2 I think I've gotten CK 2 from some bundles so I'm probs gonna play that first. E: Tomorrow when I'm not so high. I once tried learning Hearts of Iron 3 while blazed and it didn't end well.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:05
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I desperately want to be cucked* by satan!!!!! *Check SAclopedia if you don't get this one.
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Average Bear posted:I desperately want to be cucked* by satan!!!!! Unironically one of the funnier SAclopedia pages.
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