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Neruz posted:If that were the case then you wouldn't get any of the bonuses from the tech. The tech's bonuses are the practical results of the general adoption of said tech, how exactly do you think we are gaining the benefits of Industrial Automation if we're not actually using automated industry? We've actually seen very little in the way of bonuses from Industrial Automation: it opens up Wealth as a social value, hab complexes (presumably only possible because of increased automation in industry and construction), supply crawlers (presumably automated, but we're not using them), the Planetary Transit System (which we haven't built, but presumably involves an automated transportation infrastructure), and +1 commerce. We've seen only two of those. Industrial Automation's gameplay benefits are shockingly minor compared to the stated implications of the actual technology, which leads me to again theorize that it's deliberately not implemented to the fullest possible extent (save maybe with the Consciousness, who aren't exactly human to begin with). Nweis: That's in large part because the official labor force doesn't include illegal immigrants and the like. Georgia's agricultural economy nearly collapsed when they got serious about removing quasi-legal farm workers. And from my perspective, Industrial Automation was never an important part of the point I was making. There's an eminently logical reason for why it's a non-issue, which I have explained at length, and it's not one of the things I'm dwelling on. I specifically said I'd love to examine the potential social issues resulting from precisely what you say isn't happening, but then also noted that it wouldn't fit what this LP has described of Morganite society so I didn't do that examination. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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nweismuller posted:If we assume that every single illegal immigrant in the United States is employed in the agricultural sector, that still only brings agricultural employment up to a shade under 6%, which... doesn't really invalidate my point about this not needing Industrial Automation to be artificially restricted. Still not my original point, but as I said to begin with I declined to take a serious look at the likely impact of Industrial Automation because I figured it would lead in places you don't want the North Republic to go, given my typically cynical view of the faction.
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Lamia Domina posted:Are you, in all fact, seriously now arguing that 87.5% of the US labor force is in fact comprised of illegal immigrant farmers? Because that would be a rather extraordinary claim, Cythereal. You mistake me for someone who seriously gives a poo poo, I'm afraid.
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Neruz posted:Cythereal can handle it when the utopian market liberal society is set up by Dwarves but finds it inherently implausible that Humans could do the same thing even on an alien world with impossible technologies I didn't read the Master of Magic LP, and dropped out of the Master of Orion LP after raising similar objections to those I'm making now and got shouted down and told to stop posting by other folks in the thread. 
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Theantero posted:So what you're saying is that a good ol' forums lynching is in order I have always said that if Nweis wants me to stop posting in this thread, I will do as he asks, but I don't see the harm in saying that yes there are indeed social problems in North Pholus like there have been in every known human society. Not particularly widespread, not severe, but present and there are occasional isolated tragedies when events stoke existing tensions.
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Arcturas posted:Personally, my problem with your posting here is that you keep saying stuff like that, but when nweis then says, "hey man, that's pushing it," you get super defensive and start a huge derail about it, arguing about the premise fo the LP (utopian capitalism). Instead you could: a) drop it, b) accept his criticism gracefully, or c) GTFO. If that's the way I've been coming across, I'm genuinely sorry. I conceded things like how I probably was taking the notion of religious tensions too far, but I got very wary that I was ruining the thread for people when I defended other parts. I don't like ruining the thread for people, and so try to be considerate to other folks reading the thread when arguments do flare up.
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