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Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


Kilonum posted:

And unfortunately will never be repeated

1500hp turbocharged F1 cars
Group A touring cars
Group B rally cars
Group C GT cars
NASCAR in cars that were still somewhat stock

And everything funded by drugs and/or tobacco. Maybe some Alcohol in there as well.


It's really a statement people never look at, because none of those forms of racing had their golden years in the 80's really. They were all at their peak performance, though. Even stuff like modifieds and sprint cars, up to Indy, had their greatest engineering years in the 80's. It was a wild time to be a race fan.

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IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

generally I've found that everyone's personal racing "golden years" is when they are a kid or got into the thing and didn't care much about the politics. Like I think that the best years of F1 was around 97-2001 not because of anything particularly great about the racing in those years but because I was a kid and Schumacher was cool. The earlier years may have had better drivers, better racing and more technical cars but I didn't care about that at the time because I was like five and they looked cool and fast enough. Its the same with Indycar/CART: 1999 will always be the best season because it was the only year that i could watch the thing on TV at a decent time (channel 5 randomly had the rights), it had very fast cool looking cars and a Scottish driver competing for the championship which was actually cool. Like CART was already in the process of dying at that point but I didn't care about that at the time because the races were good (although I remember my six year old self being very confused about rolling starts for some reason). As soon as you start actually paying attention to the politics behind the sport and you get a little cynical, everything always looks a bit poo poo.

I'm slowly rewatching the 1998 F1 season through a bunch of German language videos of the Digital F1 PPV thing they tried for a few years and outside the few races that were mclaren walkovers there's some pretty good racing there. And hey, its more interesting that current F1 is at the moment...

the 80s have the craziest cars - the Lancia Delta S4 rally car with a turbocharged and supercharged engine that could have generated 700+HP will always be the craziest racing car ever.

George Zimmer
Jun 28, 2008


Early 2000's were my glory years. I was huge into rallying, which was weird because I barely keep up with it now (who can blame me?). Richard Burns and Colin McRae were still alive and kicking, Subaru still had a factory team, all was well. Got into F1 around the same time, more towards 2003/2004. Schumacher at the top of his game in V10 machinery, some nobodies named Alonso and Raikkonen getting their start. I was much easier to please when I was 13.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

Group B is still the best Rally ever got and will ever get. If you disagree, then you probably are not a rally fan.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


I liked Group A more.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

Alain Post posted:

I liked Group A more.

It was pretty good as well but it will always be a silver age to the Group B's golden age.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Triple A posted:

It was pretty good as well but it will always be a silver age to the Group B's golden age.

Yea, I'd agree with this. It's no reflection on Group A, but Group B was just such an incredible era for engineering progress within the sport. The only real developments after that you would consider game-changers are anti-lag and the trick diffs, but in the space of the Group B era we had AWD, twin-charging, composites and the emergence of the sequential gearbox/button activated clutches. That and the cars went from Escorts and Stratii to firespitting dragons in half a decade.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012



1999-2002 is possibly my favorite era of CART/AOWR/Indy. Awesome mix of drivers, cars, and tracks. (Best years were 2001-2002 where CART and the IRL were starting to slowly mend fences, CART teams returned to the Indy 500, so you had a great "rivalry" going).

I really enjoyed NASCAR up until around 2005 where they started to go all out in terms of really bad gimmicks, and Darrell Waltrip hamming it up.

I've really enjoyed watching early 2000's Formula 1 in retrospect. (at least the bits and pieces I've seen...loving Bernie).

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

Butt Wizard posted:

Yea, I'd agree with this. It's no reflection on Group A, but Group B was just such an incredible era for engineering progress within the sport. The only real developments after that you would consider game-changers are anti-lag and the trick diffs, but in the space of the Group B era we had AWD, twin-charging, composites and the emergence of the sequential gearbox/button activated clutches. That and the cars went from Escorts and Stratii to firespitting dragons in half a decade.

Not to mention that there were about thrice the amount of manufacturers entering a works team to the series than currently and bigger crowds going out there to watch the best drivers in the best cars tackle on special stages that terrify inferior beings.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


FuzzySkinner posted:

1999-2002 is possibly my favorite era of CART/AOWR/Indy. Awesome mix of drivers, cars, and tracks. (Best years were 2001-2002 where CART and the IRL were starting to slowly mend fences, CART teams returned to the Indy 500, so you had a great "rivalry" going).

I really enjoyed NASCAR up until around 2005 where they started to go all out in terms of really bad gimmicks, and Darrell Waltrip hamming it up.

I've really enjoyed watching early 2000's Formula 1 in retrospect. (at least the bits and pieces I've seen...loving Bernie).

there was no more rivalry after Montoya moonwalked over the 500 field. after that point it was just a bunch of angry dudes self-destructing their sport.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012



go3 posted:

there was no more rivalry after Montoya moonwalked over the 500 field. after that point it was just a bunch of angry dudes self-destructing their sport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1uJzgoQj8U

Gotta hand it to Buddy Lazier. He was the only guy in the IRL field that year that brought the fight to Montoya.

It just would have been a fun thing in theory. A CART V. IRL rivalry (ON THE TRACK) would have been interesting to see play out, instead of the whole bullshit "pouting" and "boycotts" we got instead.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



I tell this story whenever I can, but Montoya's engine for that race was hand assembled by a single dude in my dads shop, and it was all he did for days. They knew they had the advantage with Montoya/Ganassi, so they put their best guy on it (Tony Manzer) and just let him do his thing for as long as it took. Just polishing and rechecking and reseating.

Considering they could have easily won the race by over a lap if they were really pushing, I guess it paid off.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


Cygni posted:

I tell this story whenever I can, but Montoya's engine for that race was hand assembled by a single dude in my dads shop, and it was all he did for days. They knew they had the advantage with Montoya/Ganassi, so they put their best guy on it (Tony Manzer) and just let him do his thing for as long as it took. Just polishing and rechecking and reseating.

Considering they could have easily won the race by over a lap if they were really pushing, I guess it paid off.

yeah i had the distinct impression that Montoya could have made that race look really ugly early on

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



Welp, its front engined. Also that commercial was real bad.

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



Cygni posted:

Welp, its front engined. Also that commercial was real bad.

Going backwards on COTA going against a bunch of Riley DPs. I laughed at that.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

I will decide who posts John Howard pictures in this thread and the circumstances in which they post.


dsriggs posted:

Full Bathurst 12 Hour entry list finally released:

http://bathurst12hour.com.au/event-info/entry-list

Kinda suffering from the lack of V8SC full-timers, but still a good field.

Wasn't the lack of V8SC drivers due to the idiots who run V8SC scheduling a test session on the same weekend and forcing the drivers to do it?

Xisticide
Nov 27, 2005


Developed on the moon apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gx_E23VpQQ

Also Gene is one of their drivers

Edit: it's FRONT WHEEL DRIVE

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Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Xisticide posted:

Edit: it's FRONT WHEEL DRIVE

This is the GTIR all over again.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

i'd laugh if a front wheel drive car won le mans

when was the last time that a front wheel drive won something important at the top of world motorsports?

Quantrill
Nov 18, 2005



IceAgeComing posted:

i'd laugh if a front wheel drive car won le mans

when was the last time that a front wheel drive won something important at the top of world motorsports?

1947 Indy 500?

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Quantrill posted:

1947 Indy 500?

Citroen's old FWD car won a World Rally Championship event at some stage, I think.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

Quantrill posted:

1947 Indy 500?

I had whenever the last time a Mini won the Monte Carlo Rally in my head which would be late 60s at least; and that's ignoring the fact that people probably tried to copy its success

e: A Lancia Fulvia won it in 1972; that could be it?

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

quote:

In 1999, the WRCs predecessor, the two-wheel-drive naturally aspirated Xsara Kit Car, won overall in Rallye Catalunya and Tour de Course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%...Xsara#Xsara_WRC

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


Don't care how good it does, I love it when teams go crazy like that

Aqualung
Oct 10, 2005

Don't worry guys, Ron knows the guy who drives the crane.



Xisticide posted:

Developed on the moon apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gx_E23VpQQ

Also Gene is one of their drivers

Edit: it's FRONT WHEEL DRIVE

This is so insane. Love it!

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007






Even against the contemporary WRC cars, the FWD French kit cars (Citroen Xsara and also Peugeot 305 and a Renault if memory serves) were lightning fast on those rounds, plus San Remo...you know, the all-Tarmac rallies.

Marshall Pruett has the long and short of it here too: http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...-gt-r-lm-nismo/

Spot the names and places he talks about in there...AAR, numerous IndyCar teams...

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

harperdc posted:

Even against the contemporary WRC cars, the FWD French kit cars (Citroen Xsara and also Peugeot 305 and a Renault if memory serves) were lightning fast on those rounds, plus San Remo...you know, the all-Tarmac rallies.

The Renault was a Megane, I think. From memory the Citroens wins were initially protested by the WRC teams as well. The last RWD car to win a WRC event was the Renault 5 Turbo which is an infinitely cooler car than the Citroens so I wish that still had the 2WD record.

E: Jesus the shot of it up on jacks makes it look like a powerboat.

Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at Feb 2, 2015 around 07:16

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


Wasn't the 037 RWD? I thought that was the last car to win.

SFH1989
Apr 23, 2007



Quantrill posted:

1947 Indy 500?

I did not know FWD Indy cars existed, I learned something today.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





SFH1989 posted:

I did not know FWD Indy cars existed, I learned something today.

Not falling for this troll.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


Were the Cooper S cars that won Bathurst one year FWD?

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Alain Post posted:

Were the Cooper S cars that won Bathurst one year FWD?

Yea, I think it was like the first eight places too or something ridiculous like that.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007





Human Grand Prix posted:

Wasn't the 037 RWD? I thought that was the last car to win.

it was indeed RWD, but the Renault 5 came after it.

Elfforkusu
Jan 15, 2011


Front wheel drive? Eff the haters, I love Nissan's audacity.

BMB5150
Oct 24, 2010

2018 Indianapolis 500 Winner



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1koNs8EHeLY

What the GTR sounds like. Also besides the 2 DPs there were 2 other cars riding around the the 3. The Lista Dallara Judd I can tell but one is far off which could be a SRP they used the year before that which could be a Crawford or the MOMO Ferrari 333SP Nissan NPT-90 according to Marshall Pruett. Still funny to see those cars in a commercial.

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Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Not strictly racing as such but the new Focus RS has 300 HP and AWD. It's like I went to bed and woke up in the early 1990s.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe


Butt Wizard posted:

Not strictly racing as such but the new Focus RS has 300 HP and AWD. It's like I went to bed and woke up in the early 1990s.

ya know, I think we can look at the '10's and say "hey this is probably the best time to have ever been a car dude" at this point

even the 60's weren't as cool as this

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

VikingSkull posted:

ya know, I think we can look at the '10's and say "hey this is probably the best time to have ever been a car dude" at this point

even the 60's weren't as cool as this

I'd agree with this. Anything I was too young to see racing in its native habitat I've generally seen at revival meetings. This was two weeks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_anACtiPs

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003

Welcome to my ignore list, cretin. BAZINGA!


I can't believe you're all shocked and surprised about the GT-R LM being FWD. Don't you read Mulsanne's Corner? You ought to.

Happened to be in town for the Monte Carlo Rally last weekend. Didn't see any of the stages but did see the works cars in Casino Square on Thursday, and then saw quite a lot of cars driving out to the mountains on Sunday: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/01...-nerds-nirvana/

Also ended up driving some of the roads they used for the special stages (around Sospel) a few days later which was glorious. Didn't know they'd actually used that route until yesterday but the large amounts of rubber on the apices of most of the hairpins did give me a clue.

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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006


College Slice

Cygni posted:

Thinkin about this, if they knew they were already over the limit when they came in, wouldnt it have made more sense to pull a Scott Goodyear and just keep running? Especially since NASCAR obviously hates vacating wins, theres a possibility they would have let them keep the win and vacate the points or something.

It sorta seems like stopping was the worst possible move they coulda made.

I also didn't see it posted, but Toyota's new WRC kinda reminds me how boring/ugly most Toyotas are these days:



The GT86 CS-R3 looks much better in that livery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDQlJnEWYwo

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