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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Sports Argument Stadium > Misc. Auto Racing 2015: At least our criminals are non-violent
 
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
When WRC finally folds, a good series can take it's place.

* # ¿ Jan 23, 2015 10:40
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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 22:03
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
There's maybe two things for WRC to do before they become relevant again.

1. BRING BACK GROUP B WITH MODERN SAFETY STANDARDS

2. HOMOLOGATION FOR THE CARS

There are the only things WRC could do to save itself from certain death in disgrace.

* # ¿ Jan 24, 2015 15:08
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

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Butt Wizard posted:

Sort of. Group B homologation was 200 cars which no one ever really sold to the 'public' as such. Group A was 5,000. Given that an S4 goes for about half a million at the moment, I'd rather have 5,000 chances to get one than 200. :P

Set the homologation at about 2,000 cars and you'll strike a decent balance of balls-out madness with provisions to mass production.

* # ¿ Jan 24, 2015 22:28
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
Group B is still the best Rally ever got and will ever get. If you disagree, then you probably are not a rally fan.

* # ¿ Jan 31, 2015 20:31
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

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Alain Post posted:

I liked Group A more.

It was pretty good as well but it will always be a silver age to the Group B's golden age.

* # ¿ Jan 31, 2015 20:47
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

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Butt Wizard posted:

Yea, I'd agree with this. It's no reflection on Group A, but Group B was just such an incredible era for engineering progress within the sport. The only real developments after that you would consider game-changers are anti-lag and the trick diffs, but in the space of the Group B era we had AWD, twin-charging, composites and the emergence of the sequential gearbox/button activated clutches. That and the cars went from Escorts and Stratii to firespitting dragons in half a decade.

Not to mention that there were about thrice the amount of manufacturers entering a works team to the series than currently and bigger crowds going out there to watch the best drivers in the best cars tackle on special stages that terrify inferior beings.

* # ¿ Jan 31, 2015 21:45
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

Butt Wizard posted:

Double post, but it's time to call the WRC's time of death:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117891

Hopefully, someone can make an international rally championship that isn't poo poo after WRC dies a shameful self-inflicted death.

* # ¿ Mar 3, 2015 19:02
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

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WindyMan posted:

To be serious, the Sebastians really hosed over rallying.

WRC was doing great at the turn of the century, with Gronholm, Solberg, Makinen, Sainz, McRae, Burns, and so on down the field. Rally fields were deep back then. Then when Loeb came along and won 3 out of every 4 races or something insane like that, WRC started messing with rally formats, points distributions (:siren: POWER STAGE :siren:) and the regs to try to make for better competition at the top.

That mucked things up for me, after which point I really stopped watching. Not helping matters was the creation of the more TV-friendly IRC, which only served to split driver and manufacturer interest and make WRC fall even deeper into the "made for TV" trap. The best thing that could have happened for them was Loeb moving on…but then, Ogier happened.

If rallying, and by that I mean proper rallying, wants to come back to prominence in the global motorsports market, it needs to get back to what makes it unique in the first place. Position WRC events as a 3-day endurance races, rather than a series of sprints held over three days like it's trying to do now. I remember one WRC highlight shows from back in the day with a co-driver kicking out a shattered windscreen so they could see where they were driving in the snow, even if the snow pouring into the cockpit blinded them anyway. Oh, and they were on the clock. That was compelling television, I tell you.

WRC needs to be right in there between Dakar and Global Rallycross. If it continues to try and compete with short-format spectacle racing like the GRC, it's doomed.

Don't forget chopping up good special stages because they have too high of an average speed.

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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

jammyozzy posted:

The 24h series has had this poo poo figured out for years but as Code 60 instead of VSC. Race control calls Code 60, drivers have x seconds to slow down and hit the pit speed limiter (60kph) then circulate around on the limiter until the track goes green again, with race control/race engineers counting them back down to green. I don't understand how the FIA has come up with a perfect copy of this for WEC and in parallel some horrible convoluted system based on target lap times for F1. :confused:

Probably due to F1 tires/brakes having a narrow window where they work properly.

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