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crummy old james 'overrated' anderson who can only bowl in overcast conditions in england has taken a lazy 6-fer in sri lanka. edit: heh https://twitter.com/GeorgeDobell1/status/1352888712917614593?s=20 Seams fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jan 23, 2021 08:54
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Seams posted:crummy old james 'overrated' anderson who can only bowl in overcast conditions in england has taken a lazy 6-fer in sri lanka. I’ve never seen him referred to as overrated. Nice fight back by a depleted SL side. It’s good to see them competitive.
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Jan 23, 2021 09:56
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It really shows up how average Bess and Leach are. They've bowled 64 overs between them and only 7 have been maidens. That's poo poo, particularly if you're not taking wickets. Leach did at least bowl some good stuff in the first Test, but Bess was rubbish.
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Jan 23, 2021 10:11
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I don’t think anyone’s pretending that either are the answer right now, but I’m pleased England are sticking with them. Developing spinners takes ages, and there have been too many who were picked up and tossed aside
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Jan 23, 2021 10:28
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It's possible that Crawley and Sibley are not good
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Jan 23, 2021 11:16
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Not good playing spin anyway. Which is sadly no surprise.
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Jan 23, 2021 11:42
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It's a bit odd. They're both tall, and you'd think have the speed of thought to smother fuller balls, but they don't seem to pick length well and get out to the pitch.
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Jan 23, 2021 11:45
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What happened to Keaton Jenning the specialist subcontinent tour opener?
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Jan 23, 2021 11:54
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I guess they want to find all weather openers?
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Jan 23, 2021 12:11
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Smorgasbord posted:What happened to Keaton Jenning the specialist subcontinent tour opener? e: Root currently challenging Charles Bannerman's "greatest proportion of runs in an innings" stat, as much sense as it makes to bring that up with a side only two wickets down. E2: tarbrush posted:It's a bit odd. They're both tall, and you'd think have the speed of thought to smother fuller balls, but they don't seem to pick length well and get out to the pitch. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jan 23, 2021 13:19
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Now that I have fully embraced the 5 day test into my heart I have some questions about domestic first class cricket. I've read the wiki entries for County Cricket, the Ranji Trophy and the Sheffield Shield but I'ms till confused about a few things: 1) I know it may differ from country to country but in India/England/Australia are players typically assigned to first-class teams based on where they are born/reside? Or is there some sort of free agency where cricketers can play for different teams? I saw that in County Cricket they have international players too, so do they join teams made up of people from the region? Can players leave regions like NSW or Greater-Mumbai that seem to have an insane amount of good players to get more playing time somewhere else? 2) How do salaries work for this? Does the regional sports association pay the player? Do they negotiate or is it more like a pay-scale? 3) What is the type of audience or interest for these contests in India, Australia and England? Do they show these games on TV domestically? Are fans typically in attendance? Do posters here like watching these contests/are they worth checking out? 4) Do players who make the national team typically go back to playing first-class domestically? 5) How do players make first-class teams? What is the step bellow that where the players are scouted? Sorry for all the questions but I've become a bit obsessed over the past 4 months or so and I'm really enjoying learning more.
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Jan 23, 2021 18:59
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BWV posted:Now that I have fully embraced the 5 day test into my heart I have some questions about domestic first class cricket. I've read the wiki entries for County Cricket, the Ranji Trophy and the Sheffield Shield but I'ms till confused about a few things: 1) Young players will tend to go to their local CCC, but players can and do move (check out the exodus of talent from Durham after the ECB stiffed us). Note that unlike other sports (where internationals still play mostly for their club rather than for their nation) internationals in cricket will only very rarely get to play for their home club, which means there's the slightly odd situation where all the people on the edge of the England team (Jennings, Borthwick, etc) left to play at a higher level and the nailed on England players (Wood, Stokes) stuck around. 2) Players are paid according to their contracts, which do vary quite a lot. 3) In the UK, the audience is... basically nobody. You get radio coverage (sometimes), never get TV coverage, and the crowd is tiny because at least two of the days are going to be in a working week. They're decent to go to if you like the game, but essentially impossible to follow remotely. 4) As mentioned above, most full internationals don't spend much time back at their home clubs. However, players who are dropped will go back to their county (or players who only play one form of the game, sometimes), as will players who retire from international cricket but keep on playing professionally. Alastair Cook, the best cricketer this thread has ever seen, is such an example having gone back to play for Essex. It's a bit different now though with the various t20 leagues out there, so some players instead retire from international cricket and head off to be mercenaries for as long as they can get a payday. 5) First class teams have scouting networks for young players, but also have a whole host of associated youth and lower level teams. There's also the university teams, who play amongst themselves and occasionally against the county teams; generally as friendlies but occasionally as full first class matches.
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Jan 23, 2021 19:09
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BWV posted:Now that I have fully embraced the 5 day test into my heart I have some questions about domestic first class cricket. I've read the wiki entries for County Cricket, the Ranji Trophy and the Sheffield Shield but I'ms till confused about a few things: 1) I think there is some kind of transfer system within the County system, but it is nothing like Football (Soccer) for example and I have no idea how it really works. My own very limited knowledge of things says that friends I played with in Minor Counties got poached by the bigger Counties young and were either good enough or got proper jobs. 2) No idea. 3) They used to show the last few games of the County Season on Sky here in the UK. Can't remember if they have recently, but obviously, seasons have been affected quite severely by stuff. Fans do go to watch County matches, sometimes 10 and even up to 15 people have been known to attend a Country Cricket game. 4) They occasionally get released by the international team, but not very often. I probably couldn't even tell you who 75% of the England Team players represent at County level. 5) Minor Counties, really really good national leagues.
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Jan 23, 2021 19:13
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I went to the second day of the first day/night county championship game between Hampshire and Somerset at the Rose Bowl. It was a wet and drizzly day, the first session was a washout, the second session was completed, then the rain came in. Hampshire estimated they got ~1000 in for the first day, but on the day I was there, there were eight people in the ground, including a family of five watching from a hotel at the far end of the ground. Also, and I'm just going to throw this out there, Rahul Dravid scored the final first class century at the United Services Rec Ground in Portsmouth that's about a ten minute walk from my house that Hampshire used as an out-ground
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Jan 23, 2021 19:25
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I remember the time I went to watch Cambridgeshire play Hampshire at The Avenues (field in March, CAMBS) in the first round of whatever would have been the Domestic One Day Cup back in the day. Someone bowled a bouncer to Robin Smith and he cut it, not only out of the field, not only over the gardens backing onto the field but over the houses backing onto the field. A Hampshire bowler bowled a quick ball, good length and someone played a perfect forward defensive shot and their bat snapped in half. We met Onslow (Geoffrey Hughes) from "Keeping Up Appearances" he was a great bloke. Some of us walked in front of the sightscreen and got yelled at.
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Jan 23, 2021 20:31
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There's usually one or two weekends in the summer when there's a gap in the England test schedule and the domestic T20 (Natwest Blast or whatever it's called this month) is on and the test team players often get to play - the standard of the games on these weeks is so much better as people like Root, Bairstow & Buttler get to play. I think the only people who go to the midweek days of county games are either retired or students, they look like this: https://twitter.com/DJ_Clamp/status/1351943882569900044
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Jan 23, 2021 20:40
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They are living the dream.
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Jan 23, 2021 20:49
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MrL_JaKiri posted:1) Young players will tend to go to their local CCC, but players can and do move (check out the exodus of talent from Durham after the ECB stiffed us). Note that unlike other sports (where internationals still play mostly for their club rather than for their nation) internationals in cricket will only very rarely get to play for their home club, which means there's the slightly odd situation where all the people on the edge of the England team (Jennings, Borthwick, etc) left to play at a higher level and the nailed on England players (Wood, Stokes) stuck around. Alright, I’ll take the bait. I’ve seen the following (plus many others who I am forgetting): Alan Donald Dale Steyn Kallis AB de V Curtly Ambrose Brian Lara Tendulkar Kohli Dravid Kumble Kane Williamson Martin Crowe S Waugh Punter Warne McGrath Akram Younis Mohammed Yousef KP Jimmy A Darren Pattinson Etc Now Cook probably belongs on that list - but not at the top.
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Jan 23, 2021 20:56
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thanks for all the answers. clears a lot of things up. This dynamic between the different formats is very interesting.
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Jan 23, 2021 22:01
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tarbrush posted:I don’t think anyone’s pretending that either are the answer right now, but I’m pleased England are sticking with them. Developing spinners takes ages, and there have been too many who were picked up and tossed aside I quite agree, giving players time to develop is a good thing. tarbrush posted:It's possible that Crawley and Sibley are not good What until Tarbrush gets a hold of you! But seriously, I would have liked an extra spinner with Leach and Bess instead of Wood. I really don't understand why England threw away the winning formula of Always be Sweeping (starring Jennings) followed up by 3 spinners called sla, ob, and lbg! But this is a bit of nit picking, I remember when we had the King of Spain as our only spinner. Then The Monster came along who was joined by Swann. Now we have 5-7 spinners to choose from. As for the top 3, they are fine. Burns and sibley are a good combo and Crawley is a great 3. I would have brought in Jennings and left Crawley at 3. gently caress Bairstow in red ball.
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Jan 23, 2021 22:22
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I wasn't suggesting that we drop them. God knows I'm keen to be off the opener roller coaster
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Jan 23, 2021 22:27
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tarbrush posted:I wasn't suggesting that we drop them. God knows I'm keen to be off the opener roller coaster Batsmen need time to develop too. So yeah.
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Jan 24, 2021 00:04
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therattle posted:Now Cook probably belongs on that list - but not at the top. Cook played fewer matches than anyone who scored more test runs than him, you can guarantee that had he played as many tests as Dravid or Kallis he'd have made up the difference
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Jan 24, 2021 00:14
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BWV posted:3) What is the type of audience or interest for these contests in India, Australia and England? Do they show these games on TV domestically? Are fans typically in attendance? Do posters here like watching these contests/are they worth checking out? I know the domestic one day competition used to get free to air tv coverage here in Australia, but I can't remember if the Sheffield Shield did. Nowadays we don't even get the ODIs on fta so good luck getting state tests on lol At the moment Cricket Australia streams all the games live on their website, but I dunno how much of an audience that draws.
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Jan 24, 2021 00:16
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Cook played fewer matches than anyone who scored more test runs than him
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Jan 24, 2021 00:22
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Cook ... you can guarantee that had he played as many tests as Dravid or Kallis he'd have made up the difference He didn't though
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Jan 24, 2021 00:40
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Cook played fewer matches than anyone who scored more test runs than him, you can guarantee that had he played as many tests as Dravid or Kallis he'd have made up the difference How was his bowling average compared to Kallis’s? Was he a better batsman than Tendulkar or Lara (playing often on the losing side)? Did he dominate batting like Warne dominated spin, head and shoulders above anyone else (except maybe Muralitharan) ?
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Jan 24, 2021 00:51
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Australia only answer BWV posted:
I'll give more info on this in question 5 but players aren't "assigned" based on where they are born. A good example is Nsw actually because nsw produces the biggest chunk of cricketers full stop (size and AFL not being especially popular here probably the leading reason) it means a ton of famous players from other states actually moved there because they couldn't break into the nsw side. Adam Gilchrist for example left nsw for WA because he couldn't get into the nsw side. Queensland as xxxx beer and crying about nsw Allan Border is actually from nsw and moved to Queensland when he was 25. I think that was possibly for personal reasons. Shane Watson moved three times to Tasmania for opportunity (from Queensland), back to Queensland because he wanted to go home and to nsw for his wife's career. Mitchell Johnson was famously mocked by the barmy army because his partner and his mum got into a public spat about Johnson moving from Queensland to WA Because of this there is some argument for a second nsw side taking in Canberra and southern nsw imo. There is a young fast bowler for Tasmania called Nathan Ellis who is doing really well at the moment (honestly potential Australia cap if he does it for a few more years) but he's from nsw and had to move to Tasmania with no guarantees and he could have been lost to cricket quote:How do salaries work for this? Does the regional sports association pay the player? Do they negotiate or is it more like a pay-scale? It's a pay scale negotiated with the players association. Cricket Australia last negotiation tried to break the players union by offering Steve Smith and David Warner separate huge contracts to remove a lot of leverage but those players showed solidarity so say what you want about them that was good The average male domestic player is on about 200k a year. CA have structured the contracts to assume players will be playing list A, FC and BBL though. I'm not sure what a strictly FC player is on. quote:3) What is the type of audience or interest for these contests in India, Australia and England? Do they show these games on TV domestically? Are fans typically in attendance? Do posters here like watching these contests/are they worth checking out? I follow FC to a degree but it's not popular. the respective state associations stream most matches. The crowds tend to be pretty small. If nsw is playing at a suburban ground near me I'll go watch if I've got nothing better to do. it's normally free and it's a nice day in the sun. quote:4) Do players who make the national team typically go back to playing first-class domestically? Yes if they don't have national duty or they aren't being rested. A few years ago a tour of Bangladesh got canceled and it meant nsw was full strength for our lovely list A tournament that included like a development team and nsw murdered everyone. This was peak Starc as a white ball bowler quote:5) How do players make first-class teams? What is the step bellow that where the players are scouted? Every state capital has a premier cricket competition in it. First grade cricket in that competition is where players come from. So there is some expectation that kids from regional Australia will have to move to have a crack at fc cricket. If they really stand out in youth tournaments states will work something out with their families though like Josh Hazlewood has been marked as a potential Australian cricket since he was very young by people in Australian cricket and he's from regional Australia Burn Down Canberra fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Jan 24, 2021 01:20
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therattle posted:How was his bowling average compared to Kallis’s? Was he a better batsman than Tendulkar or Lara (playing often on the losing side)? Did he dominate batting like Warne dominated spin, head and shoulders above anyone else (except maybe Muralitharan) ? I'm pretty sure Cook's bowling Average and Strike Rate are, actually, miles better than that of Jacques Kallis
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Jan 24, 2021 01:21
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What ever happened to Patterson?
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Jan 24, 2021 02:01
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BlindSite posted:What ever happened to Patterson? Injured and has struggled with form since returning. If he scores runs he will be back into contention
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Jan 24, 2021 02:08
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BWV posted:Now that I have fully embraced the 5 day test into my heart I have some questions about domestic first class cricket. I've read the wiki entries for County Cricket, the Ranji Trophy and the Sheffield Shield but I'ms till confused about a few things: The New Zealand system is similar to the Aussie and English ones presented, but: 1. Primarily based on where the players live, but as others have noted some areas are more populated than others so fringe players from Auckland may look for opportunities elsewhere where they are more likely to get gametime. NZC contracts their top 20 players centrally via a ranking system incorporating the player's value across all 3 formats with a weighting towards test matches. Outside of that, each of the 6 first class associations contract another 13 or so players to play for them. This year Finn Allen (former under 19's captain) left Auckland as he wasn't getting consistent game time (and had underperformed), and he's having a great T20 season for Wellington. 2. These domestic guys don't make a lot of money but it's enough for them to have a decent living and they can and will find other employment in the offseason. 3. They get a decent crowd for the T20 and that's televised. The one day final will be televised but not the 4 day games. There's very low attendance due to the time commitment involved and also they tend to particularly play the 4 day games during the work week. 4. Currently Northern Districts has a lot of NZ contracted players (mostly homegrown but others like Wagner and De Grandhomme have moved there for lifestyle and family reasons - the international guys get on well and like hanging around each other. This does give that province an advantage in that they have a larger pool of players in the region they can contract and hold on to although they generally don't get a lot of games out of multi-format international guys with their other commitments and rest programs. 5. the next tier down is a reasonably comprehensive 'A team' program between the associations, then there's amateur Hawke Cup cricket between minor districts. Each ssociation also has under 19 teams that play tournaments which lead to selection for the NZ u19 team which competes in the annual(?) World Cup at that level.
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Jan 24, 2021 03:49
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It used to be pretty common for Australian test cricketers to start the season playing grade (the level below FC) but as the international calender gets packed it's a lot rarer.
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Jan 24, 2021 04:10
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Root 89* out of England's 132/4.
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Jan 24, 2021 06:25
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If Root’s worked out how to escape the Root Zone that’s a worry for other teams
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Jan 24, 2021 06:28
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Root actually scores less 50+ scores than Smith and Kano by average innings. So I don't agree with the meme he scores 50s all the time. He does bat in a relatively difficult country to bat and Kane and Kohli don't have great records in England. Smudge averages over 60 in England against England so take that as you will I think he's a good batsman though and the reports of him being a garbage man at the ripe old age of 30 might have been a little overstated
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Jan 24, 2021 08:04
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Seams posted:If Root’s worked out how to escape the Root Zone that’s a worry for other teams Although speaking of Zones, I'm increasingly convinced that Bairstow is England's answer to Shane Watson...
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Jan 24, 2021 08:09
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therattle posted:How was his bowling average compared to Kallis’s? Funny you should ask about bowling: Kallis: Average of 32.65, strike rate of 69.3. Cook: Average of 7, strike rate of 18. Obvious winner here. Ratios and Tendency posted:He didn't though I take it you didn't actually check how far behind he was, because a) he's actually played more test innings than anyone else in the top 10 except Tendulkar and b) even going by matches, he'd need to average 272 runs a match to equal Dravid. MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Jan 24, 2021 11:22
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Root actually scores less 50+ scores than Smith and Kano by average innings. So I don't agree with the meme he scores 50s all the time. So it's partially his conversion rate (from before this series it was at 26.8%, vs between 42 and 54% for the other three) and partially because before he was captain he did make 50s all the time. In 2015-2017 he scored 50+ 36 times in 42 matches, compared to 18 in 33 for 2018-2020.
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Jan 24, 2021 11:33
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I still don't like Root, I hear he was very mean behind the scenes on his daytime talk show.
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