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Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Bholder posted:



Still, not sure how to solve the "why not stab Ulfric in the face" problem the lack of essential tags would do in a satisfying way.

If I remember correctly, New Vegas handled this by not making the faction leaders the combat "bosses", and only introducing those bosses when you have to fight them.

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Meyers-Briggs Testicle
Aug 13, 2012

But without the hero, there is no Event.


Buglord

Cat Mattress posted:

That's why they have a new "protected" flag. Essential characters are immortal; but protected ones can only be killed by the player.

its a shame they never loving use it

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

Lycus posted:

If I remember correctly, New Vegas handled this by not making the faction leaders the combat "bosses", and only introducing those bosses when you have to fight them.

This is what I meant by satisfying. It would be a shame if you literally couldn't meet Ulfric until the final fight.

Also I never liked Lanius being Frank Horrigan 2.0

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

RowboatMan: Freezing time is an old P.I. trick...


I appreciated the concept and execution of Yes Man. It was lore-friendly and foolproof.

Tasteful Dickpic
Aug 9, 2013

an electric ghost painted in the colours of a dead moment




Maybe I should just play New Vegas again.

Ms Adequate
Oct 29, 2011

Heart racing
Knees shaking
This emptiness a toll
A toll it's taken


A.o.D. posted:

The problem with the Forsworn stuff is that they didn't have enough time to do what they had in mind. It was nowhere as ill conceived as the Thieves Guild story.

Yeah that's a big part of why I'd like to see him go into it with detail. The Forsworn stuff didn't really land for me but I don't remember it being a major catastrophe like the TG was.

Jeff Goldblum
Dec 3, 2009



Tasteful Dickpic posted:

Maybe I should just play New Vegas again.

Whenever I feel like putting together a Skyrim mod package or getting OpenMW up and running, it usually means that I just want to play New Vegas again.

Actually committed to playing Skyrim, though, and am having a good time Living Another Life in the Dark Brotherhood. It's like the Thieves Guild, except you steal lives.

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)


I'm not sure if the Forsworn were intended to be so or not but they're a pretty good example of hipocrisy amongst the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks preach "Skyrim is Nord land, we should rule it!" and the Forsworn just say "wtf bro." The Stormcloaks then just go "stfu nerds."

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

I think that was intentional.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

In my day, we crossed burning sand every day -- and liked it!

Sky Shadowing posted:

I'm not sure if the Forsworn were intended to be so or not but they're a pretty good example of hipocrisy amongst the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks preach "Skyrim is Nord land, we should rule it!" and the Forsworn just say "wtf bro." The Stormcloaks then just go "stfu nerds."

Yeah, the forsworn are the Stormcloaks stormcloaks.

I always wanted to make a quest chain after Destroy the Dark Brotherhood where you carried out Commander Maro's increasingly insane perogatives to wipe out everyone in Skyrim who could threaten the Emperor, eventually killing every named NPC in skyrim.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.

Sky Shadowing posted:

I'm not sure if the Forsworn were intended to be so or not but they're a pretty good example of hipocrisy amongst the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks preach "Skyrim is Nord land, we should rule it!" and the Forsworn just say "wtf bro." The Stormcloaks then just go "stfu nerds."
I see the Forsworn themselves as being something akin to ISIS; that is, they were founded on a legitimate grievance against imperialism, but they long ago lost the support of the people they purport to represent, and their religion is a heresy that most Reachmen wouldn't recognize.

So uh in short we should kill the Forsworn and kill the Reachmen and kill the Jarl and liberate the silver mines in the name of the proletariat.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.


Sieze the means of production
of black soul gems.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.

Can you put a Soul Trap enchantment on a guillotine?

Alpha Phoenix
Feb 26, 2007

>:3


Halloween Jack posted:

Can you put a Soul Trap enchantment on a guillotine?

"At last I go to Sovngarde" -Prisoner's last words

"Umm..." -Executioner

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

ahh..what!? what?!
huh?!

Halloween Jack posted:

I see the Forsworn themselves as being something akin to ISIS; that is, they were founded on a legitimate grievance against imperialism, but they long ago lost the support of the people they purport to represent, and their religion is a heresy that most Reachmen wouldn't recognize.

So uh in short we should kill the Forsworn and kill the Reachmen and kill the Jarl and liberate the silver mines in the name of the proletariat.

Orc strongholds = ypg cantons. Gonna name my next character pisspig

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012



Fuligin posted:

Orc strongholds = ypg cantons. Gonna name my next character pisspig

Pisspig gro-Ndad

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011

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Am I the only one curious about the status of High Rock as of Skyrim? It's odd that we hear so little about it considering the fact that with Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and Hammerfell all hosed up it's probably the most stable and powerful bastion of human power in Tamriel as of Elder Scrolls V, especially in light of the Warp in the West bringing unprecedented unity and the presence of the Adamantine Tower, which is probably the most powerful of the bunch, undoubtedly drawing Thalmor attention.

The logic of the narrative as we know it now really seems to pointing to Daggerfall 2 as the next Elder Scrolls game, but I can't say that with any confidence because most of what we know about 4th era High Rock is a giant question mark.

Jeff Goldblum
Dec 3, 2009



Legends posits that High Rock is still a major part of the Empire, and has distilled to five major kingdoms. One kingdom, Wayrest, was recently involved in a Dark Brotherhood plot and was sacked by corsairs.

Also, as for Forsworn sympathies, the Reachmen were once in charge of the entire Empire via the Longhouse Emperors. They turned out to be a bunch of savage, Daedra worshipping, dark magic using assholes and nobody likes them.

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life,
I think I've gone too far.


The Reachmen in Skyrim were pretty chill until Ulfric came and butchered literal children in Markarth. Life in Markarth was apparently really sweet under their rule.

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)


Jeff Goldblum posted:

Legends posits that High Rock is still a major part of the Empire, and has distilled to five major kingdoms. One kingdom, Wayrest, was recently involved in a Dark Brotherhood plot and was sacked by corsairs.

Also, as for Forsworn sympathies, the Reachmen were once in charge of the entire Empire via the Longhouse Emperors. They turned out to be a bunch of savage, Daedra worshipping, dark magic using assholes and nobody likes them.

Correction, they were once in charge of a rump state that called itself the Empire.

After the Akaviri Potentates got murdered, the Provinces seceded off into their own nations in the chaos. Cyrodiil basically collapsed into civil war and whoever had the biggest army crowned themselves Emperor- a revolving door of petty Emperors. In ESO this state was still called The Empire. Time and time again it would be conquered by an outside or inside force and get a whole new Empire. One of those groups was the Longhouse Emperors who were daedra-worshipping assholes as you say. They got beaten up by Varen Aquilarios, who re-established a more Cyrodiilic style of rule.

After Varen did what he did- ESO spoilers made a deal with Mannimarco who tricked him that it would be possible to use the Amulet of Kings (which Varen couldn't wear) to try and become Dragonborn (because only a Dragonborn can REALLY be Emperor in any meaningful way) and it all backfired horribly and put Mannimarco's puppet Clivia Tharn in charge and right back to the Daedra worship, not to mention the three Alliances of ESO constantly invading and Cyrodiil, probably (because we haven't seen it yet) ended any legitimacy this rump state had and by the time Tiber Septim came around a few hundred years later Cyrodiil was mostly balkanized.

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice


Weavered posted:

Pah! Morrowind let you kill them, mocked you and told you couldn’t finish the game and still you can complete it in a super secret cool way with the help of Tyrion Lannister and Jabba the Hutt’s love child.

Weavered posted:

Pah! Morrowind let you kill them, mocked you and told you couldn’t finish the game and still you can complete it in a super secret cool way with the help of Tyrion Lannister and Jabba the Hutt’s love child.

The “the main quest is now very hard” and “the main quest is now impossible” messages were actually different!

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Meyers-Briggs Testicle
Aug 13, 2012

But without the hero, there is no Event.


Buglord

raminasi posted:

The “the main quest is now very hard” and “the main quest is now impossible” messages were actually different!

No they aren't. The only truly essential npc is yagrum bagarn. If you abuse alchemy no one is essential, you can just restore health a billion points to get around wraithguard.

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