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Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Sky Shadowing posted:

Everything folks are saying about Microsoft sounds like BGS will be left to their own devices mostly except they will hopefully now have access to world-quality Q&A departments

spoken like someone who has not been following the new flight simulator lmao

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chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

spoken like someone who has not been following the new flight simulator lmao

To be fair, FS2020 is a pretty drat advanced game even by today’s standards.

Overemotional Robot
Mar 16, 2008

Robotor just hasn't been the same since 9/11...

chaosapiant posted:

Does the bird mod Skybox mix with the linked Enhanced Skies? I’m playing with ES now and the game is downright pretty!

Yeah, there shouldn't be any conflicts.

Dzus
Jun 18, 2007

I have had people walk out on me before, but not... when I was being so charming.

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

spoken like someone who has not been following the new flight simulator lmao

If I have to choose a publisher to meddle with my games I think I'm going with MS over Ubisoft, EA, and Actiblizz though. The MS store sucks but their games are all on steam and they don't launch the MS store.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Microsoft will devote four years to building a brand new engine for The Elder Scrolls Endless, it will turn out to have lovely tools and look like rear end.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


General Battuta posted:

it will turn out to have lovely tools and look like rear end.

an elder scrolls engine, yes

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Can't wait for the Windows search to be rebranded from "Cortana" to "Vault boy"

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Fame Douglas posted:

Can't wait for the Windows search to be rebranded from "Cortana" to "Vault boy"

a computer reciting the 36 sermons of vivec at you as you search for that long-forgotten file

Action George
Apr 13, 2013

Jazerus posted:

a computer reciting the 36 sermons of vivec at you as you search for that long-forgotten file

The dreaded blue screen of dragon break.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

You've activated the Developer stone.

Once a day, for way longer than anyone is comfortable with, you will sweat profusely while screaming "Developers!" the entire time.

This is a racial bonus of the Ballmer.

Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Sep 22, 2020

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Dzus posted:

If I have to choose a publisher to meddle with my games I think I'm going with MS over Ubisoft, EA, and Actiblizz though. The MS store sucks but their games are all on steam and they don't launch the MS store.

I'll never forgive them for what they did to ensemble.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Rupert Buttermilk posted:

This is a racial bonus of the Ballmer.

ah yes, the mer cursed by molag bal to pursue domination and spiritual enslavement

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

You've activated the Developer stone.

Once a day, for way longer than anyone is comfortable with, you will sweat profusely while screaming "Developers!" the entire time.

This is a racial bonus of the Ballmer.

:vince:

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

You've activated the Developer stone.

Once a day, for way longer than anyone is comfortable with, you will sweat profusely while screaming "Developers!" the entire time.

This is a racial bonus of the Ballmer.

:allears:

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.

motherfucker

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Barnum Brown Shoes posted:

Stop making me want to reinstall oblivion you fuckers

I don't have time for this :negative:

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.

I just don't understand why you would ever uninstall Oblivion

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



John F Bennett posted:

I just don't understand why you would ever uninstall Oblivion

Because I can't use a gamepad with it and there's no excuse for that given the game was on console.

Games from the late 2000s, early 2010s like it and various BioWare titles don't have native gamepad support and it just boggles my mind because they were all on console.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

NikkolasKing posted:

Because I can't use a gamepad with it and there's no excuse for that given the game was on console.

Games from the late 2000s, early 2010s like it and various BioWare titles don't have native gamepad support and it just boggles my mind because they were all on console.

And that was the impetus for the (underrated) Steam controller.

I'm just glad now everything is getting controller support.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

NikkolasKing posted:

Games from the late 2000s, early 2010s like it

ah, the greatest year of the late 2000s, early 2010s: 2006

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Oblivion is timeless

Seriously it's genuinely really loving good and I think that sometimes people don't realize that the reason there are so many memes to be made out of its AI quirks is because of just how technically ambitious it was for its time.

I may also be a bit biased though, because I played a shitload of Oblivion and it's the first game (and one of the only games) I ever 100%ed

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Oblivion isnt actually fun. It tricks you into thinking via various psychological techniques that it's fun. It's fake fun.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

Fojar38 posted:

Oblivion is timeless

Seriously it's genuinely really loving good and I think that sometimes people don't realize that the reason there are so many memes to be made out of its AI quirks is because of just how technically ambitious it was for its time.

I may also be a bit biased though, because I played a shitload of Oblivion and it's the first game (and one of the only games) I ever 100%ed

Literally becomes impossible to play right if you level up wrong

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
By wrong I mean 'the way the game tells you to play it' and not 'looking up a guide on which major skills you won't use to carefully control the level up process' or 'never sleep again after hitting a certain level' obv

Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011

John F Bennett posted:

I just don't understand why you would ever uninstall Oblivion

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



oh, it's good

if you install it. and then keep installing, and keep installing, for days until you have a real game*

*real game may consist of 99% modded content

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

it's good and the fact that it breaks the brains of min/maxers is very funny

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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If you're a min/maxer then I'm pleased to say that the meta is putting the difficulty slider all the way to the left

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME
I played vanilla Oblivion from start to finish without any major difficulties by winging it as a 12 year-old who didn't understand poo poo. If I could do it then, minmaxers can do it now.

EDIT: so I guess it literally becomes impossible to play if you specifically design your level ups around gimping yourself because it was possible to finish everything the game had to offer by, essentially, picking levelups at random

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Fojar38 posted:

Oblivion is timeless

Seriously it's genuinely really loving good and I think that sometimes people don't realize that the reason there are so many memes to be made out of its AI quirks is because of just how technically ambitious it was for its time.

I may also be a bit biased though, because I played a shitload of Oblivion and it's the first game (and one of the only games) I ever 100%ed

It wasn't technically ambitious at all, though. The most ambitious thing about Oblivion were the marketing lies. About as ambitious as your weird Chinaposting.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Fame Douglas fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Sep 25, 2020

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

hawowanlawow posted:

it's good and the fact that it breaks the brains of min/maxers is very funny

Me playing it as a teen and being confused as to why every enemy took longer and longer to kill the more I played wasn't minmaxing very much at all (it was because I played too much of the thieves guild and dark brotherhood so I leveled up a bunch of noncombat skills)

Me playing it later after reading a guide on how to minmax so I left the imperial city with maxed sneak (the tutorial trick with a taped down controller), maxed hand-to-hand (stealing Lex's sword while he slept and then getting into rolling fist fights with him all over the city) those two immortal twin brothers and insanely powerful speed/acrobatics gear to just run past every enemy during every Oblivion gate was incredibly fun and the one playthrough where I actually finished the game and the expansions, but the fact that I had to work around the game's systems to get there is still bad design?

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

I love Oblivion, but I'm also fairly sure it's directly responsible for why I treat every RPG system as if they'd been designed by a trickster spirit determined to mislead me into picking builds that will eventually fail to keep up with the mid-to-late game difficulty spike.

I wish I could just enjoy RPGs without having to compulsively look up whether I'm walking into a game-mechanics trap (I can't, that's why it's compulsive).

e: not to mention the way increases in hitpoints per level were determined, that was a wild design choice. I'm so glad Skyrim just lets you pick Health/Stamina/Magicka increases directly, it's one of the best levelling improvements they've added to the series.

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Sep 25, 2020

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
Like western RPGs have always seemed pretty lovely about trap builds but imagine playing Fallout 1 and finding out not only should you have not tagged small guns because you actually wanted to get good at small guns but also the rats from the tutorial cave are as strong as the mutants in the final dungeon because they leveled up with you

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

oblivion is a very ugly game

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

So many RPGs seem to be built around the assumption that you've already played them before.

Oblivion and Skyrim are both great in this regard. Their tutorials may get annoying on replays, but the fact that they allow and even encourage you to try out their different skills and abilities before actually picking your build, make the games vastly more approachable.

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012

Deltasquid posted:

I played vanilla Oblivion from start to finish without any major difficulties by winging it as a 12 year-old who didn't understand poo poo. If I could do it then, minmaxers can do it now.

EDIT: so I guess it literally becomes impossible to play if you specifically design your level ups around gimping yourself because it was possible to finish everything the game had to offer by, essentially, picking levelups at random

That's actually the problem, you will do better picking randomly than making a deliberate choice about your characters capabilities. I also don't think this is min-maxing, if I want to be a wizard it should be fairly logical to pick wizard skills and not get punished for it.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Fame Douglas posted:

It wasn't technically ambitious at all, though. The most ambitious thing about Oblivion were the marketing lies. About as ambitious as your weird Chinaposting.

Signaling your support for the Chinese government in an Elder Scrolls thread is a weird flex but okay

And it absolutely was ambitious. It didn't live up to its ambition regarding things like radiant AI because of hardware limitations, particularly on consoles, but claiming it wasn't technically ambitious flies in the face of basically everything about its critical reception at the time.

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?
Modless Oblivion is the greatest gaming experience. Morrowwind is good, but it pales in comparison.

Nerds

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?

ThaumPenguin posted:

I love Oblivion, but I'm also fairly sure it's directly responsible for why I treat every RPG system as if they'd been designed by a trickster spirit determined to mislead me into picking builds that will eventually fail to keep up with the mid-to-late game difficulty spike.



Boy howdy are you gonna love what I have to tell you about daggerfall

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I hope that ES6 is set in High Rock to maximize player confusion

Ideally on the Iliac Bay because then maybe they can combine the confusion of Redguard mythology with the confusion of Breton politics

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Sep 25, 2020

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