DStecks posted:

Finally giving Morrowind a try, immediately hooked. Much better than I was expecting, given how I had started this series with Skyrim and then found Oblivion massively alienating.

My Q-Face posted:

There really wasn't a "go do whatever" moment in Oblivion though. In Skyrim, if you leave Raloff/Hadvar when he says "it's best we split up", then you can go on about your business and there's no real urgency to start the rest of the main quest. You can always go to visit their relative in Riverwood, but you can do that in your own time. In Morrowind you have to deliver the package to Balmora, but it's not urgent, and even when you get there, Caius tells you to go out and get some experience, or you can refuse to follow his orders and he says "come back when you're willing to follow my orders".

In Oblivion you have the amulet of kings and there's no natural pause in the main quest for you to say "well, I think I'll do something else", there's always the urgency of "The Mythic Dawn is about to do [X]". I mean, you can go do what you want, but that option isn't accounted for in the story itself.

On the flipside, with Oblivion, once you rescue Martin, you can start running around doing other quests while you have the advantage of an essential and incredibly powerful companion and can make mincemeat of all of the other quests, just by taking the long way back to Weynon Priory.

Pikestaff posted:

So that guy who made a surf version of Nerevar Rising is back

https://soundcloud.com/musicbyallinall/the-wave-most-surfed

Entropy238 posted:

I've tried playing Daggerfall before but without some of the modern conveniences I've found it to be impossible. Daggerfall Unity seems to be doing really well and I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed they make it to the finish line.

Neurolimal posted:

Tbf to Skyrim, I'm pretty sure everything between steel and daedric/glass being useless has been a problem for the last 3 TES games. No clue if that was the case for daggerfall and further back.

FELD1 posted:

I always re-roll until I spawn with the ebony dagger at the beginning. Makes the early game a little more bearable. I guess it also helps that nightblade is my fav class.

Goa Tse-tung posted:

"I dont use mods, I just CHIM"

funmanguy posted:

I like the games fine without mods, except things to fix crashes and save file corrupts.

prometheusbound2 posted:

I haven't played Daggerfall since before Morrowind came out, and I suspect playing it out now would be an awful experience, if only because I remember the user controls being archaic. In many ways, Daggerfall isn't a good game by contemporary standards, and I think Bethesda's decision to go with smaller, more focused, more detailed game worlds is a good one.

But I think there are a lot of threads in Daggerfall that were only partially developed that could now be fully realized. In some ways, Daggerfall felt more like a world that the character was living in. Witch's covens weren't just dungeons, they were potential sources for new quests and artifacts. The game featured holidays that the world reacted to in a rudimentary fashion (I know there's a mod for Skyrim that does this now.) The game featured a pretty detailed faction system. Not just the guilds you can join (and the guild quests in Skyrim are a big step back from Morrowind or even Oblivion) but as to commoners, merchants, aristocrats etc. Daggerfall didn't do much with them, but I suspect Bethesda has many more resources now than it did. Even small bits of incidental dialog where commoners reacted differently to you as opposed to aristocrats would be pretty fantastic. I think the a lot of the code is still left over, as I know Skyrim sorts different NPCs into different factions. It seems to be a design choice.

Bethesda seems committed to boring gameplay design. I love Skyrim now, but only got few hours into it at release. It'd mods like SPERG or Ordinator that kept me coming back to it. And Fallout 4 is the most dissapointing triple-A RPG that i've ever played (I haven't played Andromeda). Skyrim at release was the foundation for a great game. Fallout 4 was so poor, I don't see how even heavy modding could fix it. Quest design is Fallout 4's more glaring deficiency, and to be honest it's been bad in Bethesda games for quite some time--even Morrowind pales in comparison to Arcanum or the BIS/Obsidian Fallouts. Fallout 4 stuck out like a sore thumb compared to New Vegas or the original Fallouts, so perhaps its less jarring in the TES games. Still, If Fallout 4->Skyrim is how TES6 will be, I'm concerned. If Oblivion->Skyrim is how TES6 will be, I'm extremely eager.

prometheusbound2 posted:

I'm less interested in Daggerfall HD and more interested in a game that develops the ideas that Daggerfall introduced by failed to develop. Having language skills in an RPG is awesome! But Daggerfall didn't do anything interesting with them. The Elder Scrolls have never really had developed dialog trees, which is where the most obvious application would be, but there could still be other uses. Legacy of the Dragonborn has an archaeology module that I really enjoy, I could see it overlapping with that. The game tracked all sorts of factions for the various NPCs, but the faction dynamics didn't really matter. Even different incidental barks can do a lot for immersion-one of my favorite mods for Skyrim is Guard Dialog Overhaul, which just changes the one liners from the guards to be more reactive to the player. From what I understand, all the functionality is already in the game, the modder just tweaked some of the variables to add variety.

Ynglaur posted:

The original Daggerfall had mouse look.

Orcs and Ostriches posted:

The dude even lives in an inn.

Maybe it's an appropriate thing to say to you when you first get to town, but by the time you're landed nobility, and have either saved or helped usurp the Jarl's throne, he can probably cool it.

John F Bennett posted:

One of these years I will complete Skyrim.

Maybe even Oblivion!

Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

ding ding ding

read a book or something

Neurolimal posted:

I'd be fine with procedural content if Bethesda wasn't really bad at making exploring said content rewarding. It's always an open easy lock scroll, calipers, wonderglue, or 50 caps.

whydirt posted:

In a surprise twist, Starfield is just a space-themed HD reskin of Daggerfall, complete with space ghosts in the main city screaming “Vengeance!”

Ojjeorago posted:

Only in the main city? I’d prefer them coast to coast.

poisonpill posted:

You are an odd fellow, Vivec, but I must admit: You CHIM a good Lorkhan.

Jeff Goldblum posted:

It's me, I'm the guy who spent weeks chopping wood and farming potatoes for my gold, and I am offended at Brynjolf. gently caress that guy.

Also, consider it the fault of the writing staff who decided that it was less interesting and involving for a player to just go into a guild hall and humbly request to join a mysterious faction they know nothing about. Skyrim hamhandedly ropes you into actively trying to care by turning each one into some rite of passage, proving yourself, poo poo. The Thieves Guild insinuates that you're already an rear end in a top hat and can't wait to count some coin and screw over a Dark Elf that you could potentially be helping, the Dark Brotherhood puts you in the employ of a delusional child whose home you just broke into and rewards you by forcing you to kill a bunch of hostages, the Mage's College and Fighter's G-Companions almost hit the norm, but the Companions try to grab you early with the wild redhead fighting giants and the Mage's College, much like the "Bard's "College" " are getting pumped by every guard, merchant and bandit in town. It's all very active advertisement, which might have worked on some of us the first time, but really cheapens the experience in the long run.

Then again, we are talking about a game where less than a day's worth of questing will usually put you in full control of the entire faction.

Goa Tse-tung posted:

following this dude on twitter has been pure joy, god bless him

Kamrat posted:

I'd only be okay with this if Daggerfall 2 is just as big as the first one.

Unormal posted:

Look at all these old rear end cynics not excite af about the announcement of a new elder scrolls. I will await it as I awaited the shiny Daggerfall box at Babbages, for so many years.

mitochondritom posted:

I remember seeing that screenshot back in 2005 or whenever and thinking it looked loving incredible, like games can't do this incredible. How naive I was.

TEENAGE WITCH posted:

Cat Mattress posted:

Honestly I'm more curious about Starfield.