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So if it's cool to just talk about lore: The Elder Scrolls seems a lot like the Forgotten Realms insofar as there's a bunch of gods, and they like to meddle in the affairs of mortals, and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how often they can interfere, or how much. Mostly they seem to act on the fringes, interacting with exceptional adventurer types like our PCs, but one whole game (that I haven't played) was based around a god trying to conquer the world, yes?
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Do living Dwemer ever actually appear in the games? I've been reading the wiki but I can't sort that out. Also, I appreciate that TES has a sort-of consolidated, Norse mythos, where almost everything that isn't Mankind is Merkind in some way, rather than just a zillion sentient playable races running around that all sprung up out of nowhere.
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Feb 20, 2018 18:35
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In a universe where gods are constantly loving with everything for shits and giggles, a cult that requires some genuine religious faith is intriguing. Other thing that reminds me of Forgotten Realms*: Analogues of early medieval Norsemen contemporary to analogues of some indeterminate point in the history of the Roman empire, and both groups have 16th century technology. *And pretty much every high fantasy setting from 70s and 80s tabletop RPGs, of course. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Feb 20, 2018 |
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Feb 20, 2018 19:30
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i am tim! posted:Minotaurs are sentient sometimes, but usually they’re treated like Goblins and Ogres; nobody cares if they are or not. In ESO books they’re playing more with the idea that their race was sired by St. Alessia and the Winged Bull Morihaus, and that their race may hold the true Dragonborn Heirs of the First Empire. Another interesting thing about Skyrim is that there is a clear answer to the metaphysical question "is this sentient race really people?" Falmer and giants don't have black souls, though Argonians and Khajit do. Vampires and Briarhearts have black souls, but apparently becoming a draugr breaks your soul.
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Feb 20, 2018 20:08
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And that's another thing! Vivek Chibber is pretty cool, but a god? That's going too far. Dawnguard has, uh, problems, but being able to stick a soul gem in a lightning rod and then fighting some skeleton warriors to get a black necromantic soul gem is the most metal thing.
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Feb 20, 2018 21:36
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I assumed the Aedra/Daedra dichotomy has its roots in the Aesir and Vanir, but it's a very superficial connection. The Vanir aren't exactly the especially-active-lords-of-edginess in Norse myth.Tasteful Dickpic posted:Sometimes it sounds like the worst monkeycheese bullshit. "Oh, let me tell you about the desert-dwelling cocaine-sniffing cat people. They worship the moons."
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Feb 20, 2018 22:33
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TES trolls are based on D&D trolls, which are based directly on Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions. Making them green would be a little too obvious, I suppose.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:47
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:All this lore talk reminds me: many years ago, there was an app that literally had every book in every elder scrolls game available to read in essentially ebook format. Anyone remember this app and know what it’s called? I tried searching “elder scrolls books” in the apple App Store and, surprise surprise, got nothing but ES themed games and “guide apps.”
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Feb 22, 2018 18:50
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Is there any way to dislodge the Silver-Bloods from Markarth in Skyrim? IME even if you side with the Forsworn and kill one of them, the rest keep hanging around running everything.Hodgepodge posted:dude, i'm like... a dragon. but also time. gonna make a dude stop me from eating myself now lol. also the dude is, like, a guy and a girl and every race at the same time. shor does that poo poo all the time. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 16:01
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It's true to history, and not as cruel as pamphlets showing Marie Antoinette riding a cockstrich.
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Mar 12, 2018 20:07
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SunAndSpring posted:So if you think about it, the plot of Skyrim is the following: Ia! Ia! Nyarlathotep!
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Mar 22, 2018 14:51
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IN CASE OF RAGNAROK BREAK JORMUNGLASS
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Mar 22, 2018 16:25
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Is the cumulative effect in Skyrim where you have max enchanting, smithing and alchemy, and use a potion to make you better at enchanting to make a smithing outfit, then use a potion to make you better at smithing, then smith; too good to the point where it was unintentional and I shouldn't use it? But one-shotting everything with insanely powerful weapons is boring.
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Mar 28, 2018 14:53
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I once had the vegetable lady get stuck standing in a canal and refuse to move. I had to assault her with my shout just to knock her back onto the patio so she'd go back to selling vegetables.Ms Adequate posted:Dwemer stuff is mostly of interest to scholars, I think. Their mechanisms are too complex for much, the ruins themselves are typically very dangerous, the metal is pretty good but there is better, and it's amazingly heavy. Probably not worth bothering with outside of academics or prestige for most people.
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Mar 29, 2018 18:46
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Agents are GO! posted:Im pretty sure that's incorrect. IIRC, Dwemer metal does not corrode. The Dwemer actually hosed with the metaphysical properties of Dwemer metal, I just cannot remember where I read this.
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Mar 30, 2018 14:01
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Say, what is the Eye of Magnus, anyway? I get that it has a history of Nords and Falmer fighting over it, but it seems to be a magic mystery box that can just do anything and there's no hint as to why Magnus would've created it and left it for mortals to find.
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Mar 30, 2018 16:58
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:It's got some unique stuff. Being able to steal items lying around, for example. I love the fact that everyone can use stealth. I personally enjoy exploring in a first person perspective. I think you can very much say that ESO's combat is better than Skyrim's combat, so it's got that going for it.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:52
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:its like a skyrim you can't mod or cheat or break the game in Nasgate posted:I think this depends how used to mods you are. Ordinator+Apocalypse+Wildcat is much more enjoyable than ESO
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Apr 9, 2018 20:03
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I like the Soul Cairn, is that weird.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:51
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Cantorsdust posted:I like the Soul Cairn, but I don't like what it's done to soul gems/enchanting lore. The idea that all souls trapped in soul gems are sent to the Soul Cairn for enchantments seems really odd to me. I'd prefer if enchantments were powered by the souls themselves. The way it's written now, it feels like souls are only incidentally needed for enchanting rather than being an essential part of the process. Otherwise, using soul gems is flat-out obliterating a soul for convenience, which is way more grimdark.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:39
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I never played any Elder Scrolls games before Skyrim, so I don't know what the mythology has to do with Vivec Chibber. But I'm glad you guys are into it, international solidarity is important.Nasgate posted:I preferred thinking that my sword was causing fire damage because I haphazardly strapped a Minotaur soul to it.
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Apr 11, 2018 17:19
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Well, Serana says she thinks that only black souls go to the Soul Cairn. That doesn't explain why there are some ghost cows there, or Arvak. But ghost cows are funny, and Arvak is Such a Good Horse.
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Apr 11, 2018 19:09
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That makes as much sense as anything else. Necromancers do weird poo poo for no reason.
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Apr 11, 2018 20:52
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Is there a big "Legion or Stormcloaks?" debate I can go back and read, or should I start it all over again? Because I frankly like the Empire more than Ulfric's movement, but of course I hate the Thalmor more than anything.
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Apr 18, 2018 15:40
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Can't I just kill everyone and make myself king of everything?
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Apr 18, 2018 15:56
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These vagaries are making it difficult to determine the best path to ruling the entire world from my sweet vampire castle.
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Apr 18, 2018 16:19
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I like how the Bretons are English, Welsh, and French and they live in the Not British Isles.
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Apr 18, 2018 17:27
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Doc Hawkins posted:In Tamriel ethnicity recapitulates culture: significant changes to a culture correspond with (result in?) physical changes as well.
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Apr 18, 2018 17:46
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I enjoy the way that Nirn's mythology pretty much acknowledges that the world is just a story. I like fantasy settings that run the way ancient people actually thought they worked, like a sun that literally rises and sets or having it be canon that it was made out of a giant's bones or whatever.
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Apr 18, 2018 19:01
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Whorelord posted:In what way do the Redguards get bonuses that match black stereotypes?
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Apr 19, 2018 03:18
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And the Nord racial power makes the police go away and leave you alone after you kill someone in broad daylight.
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Apr 19, 2018 04:08
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As near as I can tell, the Empire bends over for the Thalmor as much or more than the Stormcloaks, and the Thalmor's interest is in the war going on for as long as possible and weakening the Empire as much as possible. NikkolasKing posted:Literally the second thing that happens in Morrowind is you meet Imperials who are shaking down a local Dunmer and then saying "you should thank us for bringing civilization to you." Whorelord posted:also, i really dislike the whole "stormcloaks are nazis" thing as it's such a shallow comparison. to me they're closer to the viet minh if anything, being a nationalistic uprising fighting a civil war against their countrymen while being led and named after a charismatic leader. Jeff Goldblum posted:As I recall, the Empire has had a running gag of putting you in a life threatening situation after incarcerating you for no real reason besides “an old man had a dream or heard something on the news.”
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Apr 19, 2018 20:43
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Schubalts posted:The Empire was opposing the Thalmor, just not out in the open. It's why they left "invalids" behind in Hammerfell after withdrawing due the peace treaty, and why "everyone had their own little shrine to Talos" in Skyrim before Ulfric brought the Thalmor's attention, and inquisitors, to the province.
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Apr 19, 2018 21:51
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If this is the case, the Empire's #resistance is extremely lovely in the first place, is what I'm saying. Ulfric maybe goofed when he decided to claim some kind of legitimacy instead of just forming a militia to kill every Thalmor in sight. But if we're looking at it from this point of view, the moral question is irrelevant anyway. Because "just play along with the religious persecutions, we're going to fight them any day now, just you wait" is not something an oppressed population will ever put up with.
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Apr 19, 2018 23:38
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Schubalts posted:Do you guys just not get that the Empire was allowing worship of Talos in private, and was actively lying to the Thalmor about it? "Everyone still had their own little shrine to Talos" is a quote from Hadvar. A Nord. Strategic Tea posted:Why fight smart and bide your time when you can blindly Do The Right Thing as if the universe will go 'woah this guy has the moral right to free worship, I will strike down the death squads for you!'
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Apr 20, 2018 14:54
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counterfeitsaint posted:What should the empire have done, honestly? raminasi posted:The civil war is a civil war. Half the Skyrim Nords are pro-empire and think Ulfric should eat a dick. “Colonial uprising” is an incomplete characterization.
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Apr 20, 2018 17:50
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John F Bennett posted:What kind of name is 'Stormcloak' anyway.
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Apr 21, 2018 20:45
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I especially like doing the quest as a vampire.
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Apr 23, 2018 14:57
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Nth Doctor posted:Skyrim has books.
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There are times when I waste time hauling a bunch of loot to a town where the merchants actually have enough money to buy it from me, or schlep out to some ruined tower to kill a bandit, and I surmount the crest of a mountain and remember, oh, this is why you actually play the game.
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