Bifauxnen posted:

Aw, really? Don't know if it's too early and you're still joking around, but I thought he really changed his game up a lot last time. He was throwing out a lot of genuine analysis, and even though not all of it hit the mark there were some theories in there that were right.

Now he could still be scum this time of course, so I will be ready to turn on him in a second the moment he gets his poor little hopes up. But I think we could at least let him live a day or two so we can get some content to follow. Get some scum trying to either frame him or bus him for reasons that are more revealing than blind D1 flailing.

If there's anyone I think could use a good turbolynching, Milky might be a good idea!

##vote Milky Moor

Milky Moor posted:

I WILL NOT GO QUIETLY

##vote Bifauxnen

Bifauxnen posted:

oh my god you suuuuuuck

Mithranderp posted:

I'm not really trying to clear the front bench. It's more that I'm trying to figure out what significance (if any) the flavour has in faction alignment.

If tits is Dutton (minister for health) I'd expect his role to be doctor. But he's claimed Vanilla, which (if true) means that any roles in the game might be independent of the flavour characters themselves. Which means that it's entirely possible that name claims have no bearing on alignment as well. The leadership spill was a SECRET ballot, after all.

So like Asphyxious was stating, better to ignore name claims and focus on the posting.

Bifauxnen posted:

I've been waiting to see if someone else besides me would react first to Tithin just straight up name AND roleclaiming as vanilla town. This is another possible detriment of your plan, TOML. People start volunteering more than they need for no reason.

Bifauxnen posted:

I think it still can, cause then scum could just look elsewhere if they're trying to hit a power role. Unless they think you're just faking them out by claiming to be vanilla, but that would be like a reverse Anidav move and not one I think you'd make if you had to explain your hidden role later.

It might not matter if you're the only one who claimed VT, but if a bunch more had followed suit, that could've quickly become a problem.

Matthew Beet posted:

this is a good post.

4. last time he hid he was scum. fact.

Mills posted:

There will be some roles.

Matthew Beet posted:

[quote="tithin" post="441373774"]
My absence that game was tangential to the fact that I was super busy, and I even said as much in the post game and apologised for it, much like I'm apologising for it now.

For perspective, I don't get forum access on my work pc, it's all phone posting for me and when I'm sitting next to someone who can fire me for gently caress all reason except that I look weird and have a funny accent, my focus is less on mafia and more on the job.

So it's disingenuous to say that I was scum and absent, because it implies it was done as a strategy, but I was also doing real life poo poo. It wasn't a strategy to hide from probing eyes, much like it isn't this game.
Christ, toml, who I think is suss as gently caress this game will back me up that we had to coordinate votes at night via email because I couldn't get home until late to discuss on the google docs.

Sorry, stressful day and tomorrow looks to be even worse.
[/quote

I never said it was a strategy. I said last game you were scum you were also fairly absent.

You've then gone and drawn conclusions I didn't even make. Thanks I guess.

Matthew Beet posted:

I know what I was implying because it was deliberate. And with minimal prompting I got you to say it instead of me. Funny that.

Bifauxnen posted:

yeah this is what I was talking about Tithin, that's another one now that needs to proclaim how they're vanilla town. Although maybe some of them are vanilla scum instead.

Matthew Beet posted:

well maybe bif should stop acting scummy.

and correction, i don't shotgun vote, im sparing with my votes because it DOES muddy data. I voted for gaspy all yesterday and only switched to tirade because of character posting suss levels and we needed a lynch.

i throw accusations but i don't easily throw votes. that's why I'm kind of taking bif to task because I don't think it is actually of benefit to town to be that free and easy with the votes, but i don't necessarily think it's scummy either.

Those On My Left posted:

I'm getting a bit tired of the Beet/Gaspy show (look at those posting statistics) so I'm going to chill until some more interesting things get said (hopefully by other people).

Milky Moor posted:

Milky Moor posted:

Or, y'know, caring about the longevity of this town if I'm not in control of it.

Milky Moor posted:

But you have a pretty big interest in establishing and controlling a narrative. Probably the most vital part of a scum role and it's something I do very well.

Avshalom posted:

i'm kind of having trouble understanding this current argument, i'm extremely exhausted so it's probably much simpler than i think but please be kind to me

at the moment it seems to be

several people, led by gaspy as far as i can tell: hey milky what's with saying you're 99% sure you've picked some scum and then refusing to tell us who they are

milky: fart

gaspy et al: that's pretty scummy tbh

milky: faaaaarrrrt

Milky Moor posted:

weird, no. it's not. i wonder why that is

maybe it's because i'm town??? like i've said?

black_tangled posted:

Here is a basic level question, why is Milky Moor going off his nut?

Bifauxnen posted:

So he never said outright "oh yeah, Milky is town", guess it'd be easier to just ask him at this point - Tithin why were you backing off of Milky?

Asphyxious posted:

I still feel like something obvious has been missed. People have started placing Milky's lynch on me, which is garbage. Other than Avs and kinda sorta Tithin (who both then voted for him...) I was one of the only people encouraging milky to say or do anything that could be helpful.

I'll need to go over it again and see who actually kicked off on milky day 2. I know the initial theory was that he'd been coaching tirade, but worth looking at who chimed in where and how.

Bifauxnen posted:

Maybe it read so differently to me cause that's how I behaved in my first scum game when I was in a tight spot. And it's how he behaved when we were scum together whenever he wasn't getting his way yet.

I can see why your mannerisms are really coming off as scummy, and we now know Milky's guess of you being scum was being made from a townie perspective. But the one thing that's holding me back is you did get in on voting Tirade real early. Milky resolved this dissonance by assuming it must be a frame-up. Maybe it could be. black_tangled's idea was interesting, that Mith could've been killed to try and disprove the theory. But it still seems nuts to me to go in that early on D1 when things were still pretty scattered around.

So right now, I'm sitting here trying to think - in the universe where Gaspy is scum, why is he doing the things he's doing? And could it possibly make sense? This might end up as an effortpost once I get caught up on my work this morning.

Matthew Beet posted:

Making Sense how? What seeds of doubt? He screamed and yelled and insulted people. That's persuasive?

Asphyxious posted:

Hokay that's 3 votes out of 6 which has hit the parameters for my next action.

I'm not vanilla, I was given the *hilarious* role of beloved princess, which apparently means if I get lynched, scum get an extra night of night actions.

So yeah. Even if you think I'm annoying or whatever lynching me is a good way to gently caress things up for town.

Asphyxious posted:

Also tithins reasoning is bullshit. "Oh you're probably bluffing so instead of selecting another target lets just guarantee 2/3 town deaths"

Pro play. Well done. Genius.

Asphyxious posted:

No I know, how about someone pushing super loving hard for lynching a princess AND washing his hands of a confirmed town lynch.


Not my usual approach but sound nonetheless.

##vote Tithin

Those On My Left posted:

Doubtful. Spill happens in party room, pretty sure party room is sitting members only, not their staffers. (Happy to be corrected on this, never been in a party room.)

Kommando posted:

Another idea:
This is mills personal thoughts on the Liberal party. The antagonists or his personal feelings about members determines faction.