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Installed this yesterday but haven't had time to dick around too much with it yet. I'm glad they went back to a proper start menu and desktop instead of that horrible Metro poo poo. Just to note to anyone wary about trying Win10 because it might gently caress up their main OS, Vmware Player is free for personal use and works nicely with Windows 10. If you have an Intel CPU make sure you have virtualisation extensions ("Intel VTx") enabled in bios.
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redhalo posted:Would you prefer that Microsoft paperclip instead? There's actually an easter egg in phone Cortana where Clippy replaces her (very temporarily). I don't remember the command for it though, somebody should look it up and test if it still works in Win10. I would be legitimately thrilled to have the option to put Clippy in there more permanently. He's got more character.
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Soylent Heliotrope posted:There's actually an easter egg in phone Cortana where Clippy replaces her (very temporarily). I don't remember the command for it though, somebody should look it up and test if it still works in Win10. Works in Win10. Just ask Cortana, "Do you like Clippy?" eta: Also "Do you know Clippy?" works.
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Collateral Damage posted:Installed this yesterday but haven't had time to dick around too much with it yet. I'm glad they went back to a proper start menu and desktop instead of that horrible Metro poo poo. e: Also to follow up on the lock screen lost typing issues. I opened a bug against the owning team and they are investigating it now. Looks like a regression and hopefully they can fix it. xylo fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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Feb 18, 2015 22:33
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xylo posted:e: Also to follow up on the lock screen lost typing issues. I opened a bug against the owning team and they are investigating it now. Looks like a regression and hopefully they can fix it. That's odd since it's present in 8.1 as well. Not sure what it'd be a regression from.
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Feb 18, 2015 22:44
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Thanks to hover scroll, I can finally scroll down in the sidebar of explorer to get to other drives.
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Feb 19, 2015 00:09
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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:Works in Win10. Just ask Cortana, "Do you like Clippy?" I thought Microsoft had banned all easter eggs in Windows/Office. That's neat.
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Feb 20, 2015 04:56
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Is there a rational behind banning easter eggs? I always think companies are more fun when they add them in for their non-game products.
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Feb 20, 2015 09:04
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Lord Windy posted:Is there a rational behind banning easter eggs? I always think companies are more fun when they add them in for their non-game products. Hiding a flight simulator in Excel did nothing to help with the generally held perception Office was getting ridiculously bloated.
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Feb 20, 2015 09:10
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Judge Schnoopy posted:It should be safe to assume then that 50% of the Microsoft userbase will be unified on Windows 10 by this time next year. As someone who supports companies which still have Windows 2000 (and not for cost reasons) and still predominantly sells Windows 7 PC's (with Windows 8.1 licenses, so again not a cost thing) not a loving chance. Intranet sites, XP Mode which is only on Windows 7, the training required when you move away from the Start Menu (and no, unofficial start menu replacements aren't acceptable for various compliance reasons), various high-end industry-specific applications which either have a really slow refresh cycle, or have upgrades so expensive that it's simpler to keep the workstations on XP or whatever to keep running the old version, 50% is an absolute pipe dream.
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Feb 20, 2015 14:58
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univbee posted:As someone who supports companies which still have Windows 2000 (and not for cost reasons) and still predominantly sells Windows 7 PC's (with Windows 8.1 licenses, so again not a cost thing) not a loving chance. Intranet sites, XP Mode which is only on Windows 7, the training required when you move away from the Start Menu (and no, unofficial start menu replacements aren't acceptable for various compliance reasons), various high-end industry-specific applications which either have a really slow refresh cycle, or have upgrades so expensive that it's simpler to keep the workstations on XP or whatever to keep running the old version, 50% is an absolute pipe dream. Indeed. I would say up to 50% of the consumer user base is not all that much of a pipedream, but 50% overall including corporate users... not happening.
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Feb 20, 2015 15:11
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univbee posted:As someone who supports companies which still have Windows 2000 (and not for cost reasons) and still predominantly sells Windows 7 PC's (with Windows 8.1 licenses, so again not a cost thing) not a loving chance. Intranet sites, XP Mode which is only on Windows 7, the training required when you move away from the Start Menu (and no, unofficial start menu replacements aren't acceptable for various compliance reasons), various high-end industry-specific applications which either have a really slow refresh cycle, or have upgrades so expensive that it's simpler to keep the workstations on XP or whatever to keep running the old version, 50% is an absolute pipe dream. I believe you are correct and this should worry Microsoft. One of the Win8's biggest offenders was how unfriendly it was considered to be towards their corporate users even after it was out for a while. They have a lot to recover from after that train wreck and Win10 is their first real chance to do so. At the same time, the problems you are talking about have always existed and a lot of corporate users were perfectly happy with upgrading to XP and Win7 so we'll see how it all works out in the next 18ish months or so.
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The company I work for very reluctantly switched from XP to Win7 only after compliance auditors threatened to come down on them like a sack of anvils. The migration wasn't hard or even expensive once someone begrudgingly signed off on it. I'm more worried about having to replace all our Windows 2003 servers this summer. As much as I'd like to, I know the people holding the money will fight tooth and nail over it.
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Feb 20, 2015 15:29
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Xavier434 posted:a lot of corporate users were perfectly happy with upgrading to XP and Win7 Right, but going to Windows 7 isn't a huge stretch since it still has a start menu and default view can be changed to be XP-like if it's a big enough deal, not to mention Windows 7 had tangible benefits like a non-poo poo security model and the ability to use >4 gigs of RAM. And even that was hugely difficult in some cases, especially if you have situations like "intranet website only works with IE6 or IE7." The company I worked for in 2011 finally migrated to Windows 7 but had to get VMware ThinApp running IE6 for some of their intranet sites (they could have saved money with XP Mode but it was too slow for their liking), and so many of their sites didn't work on >IE8 that they didn't upgrade IE on the main OS either. Even if the company itself is fine with it, some of their external suppliers might not be, some Canadian government websites wouldn't work on anything more recent than IE9 and I don't think that changed until Windows 8.1 was released (meaning if you had Windows 8 you were poo poo out of luck for using the site). univbee fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Feb 20, 2015 15:39
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univbee posted:Right, but going to Windows 7 isn't a huge stretch since it still has a start menu and default view can be changed to be XP-like if it's a big enough deal, not to mention Windows 7 had tangible benefits like a non-poo poo security model and the ability to use >4 gigs of RAM. And even that was hugely difficult in some cases, especially if you have situations like "intranet website only works with IE6 or IE7." The company I worked for in 2011 finally migrated to Windows 7 but had to get VMware ThinApp running IE6 for some of their intranet sites (they could have saved money with XP Mode but it was too slow for their liking), and so many of their sites didn't work on >IE8 that they didn't upgrade IE on the main OS either. Even if the company itself is fine with it, some of their external suppliers might not be, some Canadian government websites wouldn't work on anything more recent than IE9 and I don't think that changed until Windows 8.1 was released (meaning if you had Windows 8 you were poo poo out of luck for using the site). All true. Going from Win7 or earlier to Win10 will (hopefully) provide a lot of tangible benefits but there is still the cost of learning some new UI features as well as dealing with legacy software issues like you mentioned earlier. There will be resistance guaranteed. At the same time, companies upgrade their core software programs despite having to train their staff how to use new software all of the time. It is all about whether or not the benefits are perceived to outweigh the costs like you hinted at. We'll see whether or not MS is able to persuade enough people that it does.
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univbee posted:As someone who supports companies which still have Windows 2000 (and not for cost reasons) and still predominantly sells Windows 7 PC's (with Windows 8.1 licenses, so again not a cost thing) not a loving chance. Intranet sites, XP Mode which is only on Windows 7, the training required when you move away from the Start Menu (and no, unofficial start menu replacements aren't acceptable for various compliance reasons), various high-end industry-specific applications which either have a really slow refresh cycle, or have upgrades so expensive that it's simpler to keep the workstations on XP or whatever to keep running the old version, 50% is an absolute pipe dream. 
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Xavier434 posted:Going from Win7 or earlier to Win10 will (hopefully) provide a lot of tangible benefits None have been demonstrated yet.
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Feb 21, 2015 00:07
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Ghostlight posted:Your users know how to use the Start Menu? Yeah for real. If something isn't on the desktop it's "not installed" to most people.
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beejay posted:Yeah for real. If something isn't on the desktop it's "not installed" to most people. I learned this the hard way when some lady absolutely flipped out because she thought I didn't install Office for her. I did, I just didn't put the icons on her desktop. From that day forward, I just throw everything on the desktop. gently caress it.
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Feb 21, 2015 01:34
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dissss posted:Hiding a flight simulator in Excel did nothing to help with the generally held perception Office was getting ridiculously bloated. I thought it was Spy Hunter, not a flight sim
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TopherCStone posted:I thought it was Spy Hunter, not a flight sim They've done both: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_eggs_in_Microsoft_products#Office_97 Dev Hunter may well have been the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to easter eggs, but the flight sim is definitely the one I remember the most
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Does this thing have any chance of being ready for GA before the end of the year? Seems to me that both 7 and 8 were more complete by this stage in the year than 10 is.
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Feb 21, 2015 05:31
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Companies would resist going to Windows 10 even if it was visually and functionally identical to Windows 7.
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Aphrodite posted:Companies would resist going to Windows 10 even if it was visually and functionally identical to Windows 7. If it was visually and functionally identical then what would be the point?
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Seems to me that both 7 and 8 were more complete by this stage in the year than 10 is.
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xylo posted:We never showed 7/8 to the public as early as we have done for 10 so I'm not really sure what you're basing that on. Based the time of year and the eventual General Availability.
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Feb 21, 2015 13:12
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As long as you have another drive with Windows 7/8 or a linux install or something to fall back on in case of catastrophic failure, 10 is able to be used as a main OS right now. I'd say that isn't too shabby.
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Feb 21, 2015 14:48
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I've got Win 10 installed but haven't used it a whole bunch, particularly since I don't have a good enough microphone for Cortana. However the task manager is pretty neat with the telemetry info it gives you for live performance, and much cleaner layout for active processes and the resources they take up, you can even mess with startup processes as well.
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Super Slash posted:I've got Win 10 installed but haven't used it a whole bunch, particularly since I don't have a good enough microphone for Cortana. However the task manager is pretty neat with the telemetry info it gives you for live performance, and much cleaner layout for active processes and the resources they take up, you can even mess with startup processes as well. I haven't used 10, but that sounds like the same task manager as in 8. Have you used 8? Just wondering, I haven't heard of any changes to it. Resource monitor is generally where it's at anyway, since Vista, since you can see a hell of a lot more information.
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Super Slash posted:I've got Win 10 installed but haven't used it a whole bunch, particularly since I don't have a good enough microphone for Cortana. However the task manager is pretty neat with the telemetry info it gives you for live performance, and much cleaner layout for active processes and the resources they take up, you can even mess with startup processes as well. Is this microphone good enough to use Cortana on a desktop machine?
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Feb 21, 2015 23:59
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Based on the reviews, it should. Anything that can hear your voice should work. My problem is that cortana just doesn't work most of the time. I can get "hey cortana" to work but it doesn't understand anything I say anymore.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:And best of all, the perfect blend of Windows 7 and Windows 8 start menu that is simple, accessible, and functional. Sorry, but this still looks like
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:Sorry, but this still looks like "All Apps" just changes the part on the left to an alphabetical list. Either way you should just be hitting the Windows key and typing the name of what you're looking for.
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For the life of me I cannot figure out how to change a network location from Private to Public - a setting easy to change in Windows 7 that then became a convoluted setting to change in Windows 8 has seemingly vanished altogether in Windows 10.
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Network settings in general have become much more of a hassle since Windows 8, and I really don't understand the reasoning. Hide it behind an advanced settings button or something, but don't just remove the UI.
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I had to give up on wireless entirely with Win10. Aside from there not being a single decent 5Ghz wireless card to PCs in existence, it was completely terrible trying to find the right settings menu to connect back up after getting dropped. There was the one menu that was easy to get to that only let you look at what wireless connections existed, but didn't allow you to actually connect to any of them. Then there was the other menu that was harder to get to that actually let you connect.
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Cojawfee posted:......I had to give up on wireless entirely with Win10. Aside from there not being a single decent 5Ghz wireless card to PCs in existence,..... http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Blue...gabyte+802.11ac That product is a Intel 7260ac Mini PCI-Express card pre-fitted on a full size PCI Express adapter. It is one of the best wireless adapter cards you can get at the moment.
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dissss posted:It doesn't help the the feedback app is catastrophically slow and poorly designed.
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xylo posted:Feedback noted. New code pushed. Feedback app should be much faster now. Hey so how cool is it that you're working on the new Windows development team? What's your role there, if you're allowed to divulge? Any interesting stories from the development process?
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