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Meinberg
Oct 9, 2011

inspired by but legally distinct from CATS (2019)

AXE COP posted:

Oh god what is happening

hahahahahahahaha

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Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

AXE COP posted:

##vote Byers

Needs bolded.

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!
As a neutral third party I will hammer.

##unvote

AXE COP
Apr 16, 2010

i always feel like

somebody's watching me
##vote Byers

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Abyssal Squid posted:

There's no reason to think scum A wouldn't get a boon for hammering scum B though.

Well aside from the "it's all idle speculation either way" thing.

It doesn't make sense rewarding scum for hammering, even on other scum. The reward for scum removing a town power role/an opposing scum member is the dead power role/scum member. In a town where we could potentially be outnumbered on day 3, it does make sense to reward hammering (and we know it exists as a mechanic, too, so it's not idle speculation at all it's fact).

AXE COP
Apr 16, 2010

i always feel like

somebody's watching me
##unvote

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
This is very stupid and I hate all of you so much.

##vote Byers

-2


e: -3 lol

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
We agree, Ecco. For once, we agree.

Abyssal Squid
Jul 24, 2003

Byers2142 posted:

So do a lot of people, so I'm taking the boon away with me so scum can't have it.

Okay why on earth would you think scum would get a boon for hammering town.

death cob for cutie
Dec 30, 2006

dwarves won't delve no more
too much splatting down on Zot:4

CapitalistPig posted:

As a neutral third party I will hammer.

##unvote

I'm actually thinking letting CPig hammer might be a good idea.

AXE COP
Apr 16, 2010

i always feel like

somebody's watching me
I feel like this boon mechanic may not have been perfectly thought out

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Abyssal Squid posted:

Okay why on earth would you think scum would get a boon for hammering town.

Look, if it gets you to vote me, because I saw it in my scum PM, ok? Because I'm literally Alduin. Because EXAKT told me as we spooned last night. Just vote me, please.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Epsilon Plus posted:

I'm actually thinking letting CPig hammer might be a good idea.

I think he's scummy.

Abyssal Squid
Jul 24, 2003

EccoRaven posted:

Well aside from the "it's all idle speculation either way" thing.

It doesn't make sense rewarding scum for hammering, even on other scum. The reward for scum removing a town power role/an opposing scum member is the dead power role/scum member. In a town where we could potentially be outnumbered on day 3, it does make sense to reward hammering (and we know it exists as a mechanic, too, so it's not idle speculation at all it's fact).

I figured it's mostly for flavor purposes, "wow you took out a bad guy here's a parade!!!" Tbh I wasn't really thinking of mechanical justifications, but that makes sense too. :shobon:

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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Fun Shoe

Abyssal Squid posted:

There's no reason to think scum A wouldn't get a boon for hammering scum B though.

There's not much reason to think that they would, though. I mean I agree it would be a good idea to include that in the setup--because otherwise you're giving town an advantage through shared knowledge that the scum lack--but that doesn't mean it has to be there.

death cob for cutie
Dec 30, 2006

dwarves won't delve no more
too much splatting down on Zot:4

Byers2142 posted:

I think he's scummy.

And I think you're scummy. Funny how that works.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Gabriel Pope posted:

There's not much reason to think that they would, though. I mean I agree it would be a good idea to include that in the setup--because otherwise you're giving town an advantage through shared knowledge that the scum lack--but that doesn't mean it has to be there.

I believe in your earlier defense of Ecco you said it was barely conceivable it would be there. Now it's a good idea, but not necessarily so. Everyone remember this post tomorrow.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Epsilon Plus posted:

And I think you're scummy. Funny how that works.

If everyone votes me, you'll know for sure that you're wrong.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

EccoRaven posted:

Well aside from the "it's all idle speculation either way" thing.

It doesn't make sense rewarding scum for hammering, even on other scum. The reward for scum removing a town power role/an opposing scum member is the dead power role/scum member. In a town where we could potentially be outnumbered on day 3, it does make sense to reward hammering (and we know it exists as a mechanic, too, so it's not idle speculation at all it's fact).

I still don't like the scum doctor theory but if the town is undersized and the scumteams aren't killing each other off much it would make sense that town gets a benefit for successfully lynching them.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
Byers I found your soundtrack today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8MqUSd9qzY

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Gabriel Pope posted:

it would make sense that town gets a benefit for successfully lynching them.

It's a good thing that makes sense because that's also reality.

Abyssal Squid
Jul 24, 2003

Byers2142 posted:

I think he's scummy.

If he's scum then you're not, and vice versa, so there's not really any harm in it.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
More like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=817EVmiR7qE.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Abyssal Squid posted:

If he's scum then you're not, and vice versa, so there's not really any harm in it.

If scum get a boon from lynching town PR, there's a lot of harm.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Byers2142 posted:

I believe in your earlier defense of Ecco you said it was barely conceivable it would be there. Now it's a good idea, but not necessarily so. Everyone remember this post tomorrow.

You believe incorrectly. God drat, you are terrible.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

EccoRaven posted:

It's a good thing that makes sense because that's also reality.

Well yes, my point was that the existence of the boon mechanic helps prop up a theory that would conceivably justify the boon mechanic. If the scumteam has as much firepower as you seem to think they have, we need those boons, and self-hammering scum become a real threat.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Byers2142 posted:

If scum get a boon from lynching town PR, there's a lot of harm.

We have literally no reason to think that's possible beyond idle speculation.

Quit getting us to chase windmills


ninja e:

Gabriel Pope posted:

Well yes, my point was that the existence of the boon mechanic helps prop up a theory that would conceivably justify the boon mechanic. If the scumteam has as much firepower as you seem to think they have, we need those boons, and self-hammering scum become a real threat.

sorry for being snarky I am very sensitive to Flights of Fancy and I want to squash that before it even takes hold in anyone else

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Gabriel Pope posted:

You believe incorrectly. God drat, you are terrible.

You said it about something. Whatevs, at least you're voting me. Others should follow your example.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

EccoRaven posted:

We have literally no reason to think that's possible beyond idle speculation.

Quit getting us to chase windmills

If they just vote, I hammer, and then I shut up. It's the absentee voters that are to blame for me talking, not me.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
Reminder, we're still at -3.

AXE COP, CPig, and Byers are all vying to hammer in order to get the boon/deny town a boon. So we've got a three-way Mexican standoff just like in The Good, The Bad, and The Really Awful Mafia Player Who Is Scum (<-- this is Byers)

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

EccoRaven posted:

sorry for being snarky I am very sensitive to Flights of Fancy and I want to squash that before it even takes hold in anyone else

You started us down one on D1 about the fakeclaims and their relevance to the game, Ecco.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
##vote byers

Abyssal Squid
Jul 24, 2003

Byers2142 posted:

If they just vote, I hammer, and then I shut up. It's the absentee voters that are to blame for me talking, not me.

Ugh Christ. Even if that was a joke.

##vote byers

Hell at this point I'd count on scum letting Byers live just to annoy us.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
##unvote

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Abyssal Squid posted:

Hell at this point I'd count on scum letting Byers live just to annoy us.

I wish; no way both scum teams let a doc live.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Byers2142 posted:

You said it about something.

I am going to print this post out and frame it on my wall, it is a thing of beauty :allears:

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
ACT IV, SCENE III, CONTINUED

Lifts-Her-Tail: Certainly not, kind sir! I am here but to clean your chambers.

Crantius Colto: Is that all you have come here for, little one? My chambers?

Lifts-Her-Tail: I have no idea what it is you imply, master. I am but a poor Argonian maid.

Crantius Colto: So you are, my dumpling. And a good one at that. Such strong legs and shapely tail.

Lifts-Her-Tail: You embarrass me, sir!

Crantius Colto: Fear not. You are safe here with me.

Lifts-Her-Tail: I must finish my cleaning, sir. The mistress will have my head if I do not!

Crantius Colto: Cleaning, eh? I have something for you. Here, polish my spear.

Lifts-Her-Tail: But it is huge! It could take me all night!

Crantius Colto: Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.

END OF ACT IV, SCENE III

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Gabriel Pope posted:

I am going to print this post out and frame it on my wall, it is a thing of beauty :allears:

If you really think I care enough at this point to go back and reread all those words, you've not been paying attention.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
ACT VII, SCENE II, CONTINUED

Lifts-Her-Tail: My goodness, that's quite a loaf! But how ever shall it fit my oven?

Crantius Colto: This loaf isn't ready for baking, my sweet. It has yet to rise.

Lifts-Her-Tail: If only we could hurry that along. How would I accomplish such a task?

Crantius Colto: Oh, my foolish little Argonian maid, you must use your hands.

Lifts-Her-Tail: You wish me to knead the loaf? Here?

Crantius Colto: Of course.

Lifts-Her-Tail: But what if the mistress catches me? Your loaf was meant to satisfy her appetite.

Crantius Colto: Don't fret, my delicate flower. I'll satisfy the mistress' cravings later.

Lifts-Her-Tail: Very well, but I'm afraid my oven isn't hot enough. It could take hours!

Crantius Colto: Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.

END OF ACT VII, SCENE II

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CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!
byers why dd you unvote, vote yourself immediately

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