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Stravinsky posted:The idea of canon does not necessarilly mean a written list or w/e by some jackoff. Society has decided for one reason or another that certain works are more important than others. The way literature is taught is schools is based on the idea of there being a canon, that knowing Shakespeare is more important than one of his contemporaries.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Wait, what's that, all of literature is an ongoing conversation on great works and their effects upon the reader, just like everything in any living culture ever? This , but for video games.
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Feb 18, 2015 12:41
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CestMoi posted:This , but for video games.
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Feb 18, 2015 13:31
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Seriously though can we talk about Bioshock: Infinite in this thread?
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Feb 18, 2015 13:41
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Stravinsky posted:It is on the level of grievance as well as the celebration and derision of virtual worlds that GTA V and "Bleeding Edge" breathe the same air. And bounce on a puff of the zeitgeist.
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Feb 18, 2015 14:59
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Western canon of 22nd Century: -Tolkien will be the gold standard to be studied by professors who are out of touch with hip new things -Cormac McCarthy will be the new Joyce -Collected works of Stephen King, but it will be questionable if they really were written by him -Twilight & 50 Shades of Gray for feminists Above all HARRY POTTER THE POST MODERN MASTERPIECE that brought us the joyful era of manchildren reading books about actual children. Universities will add that John Green is better because his books don't have dragons and poo poo.
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Feb 18, 2015 15:09
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CestMoi posted:That's what I've been saying this whole time!!!! I would say "great minds think alike" but I have read Derrida (to the extent anyone can read Derrida!) and know that we are all eternally talking past each other and this apparent agreement is only illusion FactsAreUseless posted:Seriously though can we talk about Bioshock: Infinite in this thread? Text-based games only (Deus Ex and Planescape: Torment count) Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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Feb 18, 2015 15:10
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Stravinsky posted:It is on the level of grievance as well as the celebration and derision of virtual worlds that GTA V and "Bleeding Edge" breathe the same air. And bounce on a puff of the zeitgeist. I'm not going to read this, but thank you.
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Feb 18, 2015 15:15
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FactsAreUseless posted:Seriously though can we talk about Bioshock: Infinite in this thread? Duhhh can I talk about one of the foremost works of wetsern creative philosophy in this thread????
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Feb 18, 2015 15:17
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Are there any contemporary works that might be seen as a part of western canon in 100 or 200 years? If they would need to influence the whole 'western culture' enough so that writers working in a similar style would implicitly be in a conversation with them, then I'm not sure if it's possible with the current fragmentation of the literary world. Setting aside Harry Potter or Stephen, which will probably be a part of their respective genre canon, what has shook the literary world in the last 20 years? Maybe Knausgaard's 'Min Kamp'? I guess anybody writing hyper-detailed biographical work would immediately be compared to him. Apart from him, Eco's books might do the same to literary historical adventure novels, and Houellebecq for nihilistic writing - although he'd have competition from Bukowski, I guess. I'm not even sure if any other more or less contemporary English-speaking authors has had a comparable influence abroad outside of genre writing. Maybe Pynchon or Roth, but I don't feel their influence in Europe much. Probably Vonnegut, but then we're stretching the definition of 'contemporary'. So I guess: FactsAreUseless posted:I don't know why we even need this thread when the Pratchett thread is right there.
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Burning Rain posted:Are there any contemporary works that might be seen as a part of western canon in 100 or 200 years? Even with the most likely candidates, it's impossible to say. At the start of the 20th century, someone like Pierre Loti's reputation would have seemed to be pretty much set in stone - an influence on Proust and Conrad, massive commercial success, giant house, portrait painted by Rousseau, even beating out Zola to a seat on the Académie. But who gives a poo poo about Loti now?
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Feb 19, 2015 08:22
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inktvis posted:Even with the most likely candidates, It's not completely possible but some possibilities are more likely than others. For example there is a pretty good chance that by 2250 or 2300, no one will be debating the western canon as all humans will be deceased.
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Earwicker posted:It's not completely possible but some possibilities are more likely than others. For example there is a pretty good chance that by 2250 or 2300, no one will be debating the western canon as all humans will be deceased. Don't worry bro, when the lizards gain sapience in the CO2-heavy atmosphere they'll discover the works of the prophet Niall Ferguson at some point. The glories of Western Culture will be discussed for millions of years! There'll be diamond temples to Aristo-Shakespe-Sus (mammalian all-father of thought), heretics who follow the apocryphal book of Marx will be thrown in the tar pits, it'll be good times.
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Feb 19, 2015 15:58
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It's a pretty sexist genre if you ask me
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inktvis posted:Even with the most likely candidates, it's impossible to say. At the start of the 20th century, someone like Pierre Loti's reputation would have seemed to be pretty much set in stone - an influence on Proust and Conrad, massive commercial success, giant house, portrait painted by Rousseau, even beating out Zola to a seat on the Académie. But who gives a poo poo about Loti now? Sure, we can say that it's basically impossible to talk about people being a part of the canon or 'influential classics' category until at least a hundred years have passed since their death - but where is the fun be in that? Maybe 'canon' isn't the best word to describe the conversations writers have with each other, the ebb and flow of their influence. That did include Loti at one time (and place) but excludes him from the current conversation/canon. Even the influence of certainly canonical authors like Chaucer, say, are negligible in Spain, for instance. On the other hand, Javier Marias or Juan Goytisolo are like inescapable shadows for young writers in Spain but are hardly read in English-speaking countries at all. So, since listing a 'canon' is pointless anyway, why not speculate and argue?
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