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Chips Challenged posted:WYZE FWOM YOUR GWAVE Preemptively making a note, I hosed up and kept calling the roman gods greek names in this one. I realized it after we recorded and couldn't be assed to go back and fix it.
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Thoughts as I'm watching this A)Ok, how did our main character figure out that "Oh gently caress, daddy got iced by the Emperor not barbarians!" from seeing a dagger? B) How would a peaceful army show up with war engines and towers within 2 minutes of learning their leader is dead? C) is this still London? Why does it have Lord of the Rings sized walls? D) yay for a medieval stereotype for the siege.
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 Eobarocum, modern York. Roman colonies were characteristically ordered, unlike the famously chaotic capital. Or the pseudo-medieval York in Ryse. But I can't really begrudge them for it. It's obvious by now that they actually wanted to adapt Game of Thrones. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 10:18 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 10:14
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So first off Many thanks to Tyty and Novel for stepping in for me in my time of great business/need. Luckily things will be winding down soon and I'll be able to knock the rest of this out before it winds up again... :/ But yes, I apologize for the poo poo gameplay in this, especially at the start. I actually made sure to do a practice run and I absolutely regret not recording that because gently caress me if I didn't bang it out beautifully in 30min while looking like I actually knew what I was doing (I seriously did know what I was doing the 2nd time around I was just extremely busy at the time and knew I couldn't leave you guys hanging forever... And it resulted in botched gameplay). Anyway I hate to make promises after all the times I've said "The next ep is on the way!," but I will say I'm going to make a huge effort to have the next ep recorded by mid-week next week and I'll be setting a date for recording with the illustrious LP Superstar: The One-And-Only Pins (who I was unable to record with due to my being busy as gently caress for the past month...) I think it'll be a fun one so sit tight. Finally: >mfw Marius ded but not ded but not 'reborn someone else' just Marius except now he's Damocles #lolSummerSpirit #TotesInThePantheonRite Also interesting tidbit. Remember in the first video when Marius' dad gets shanked and he looks at the sword and goes all cryptic saying, "Save Rome from 'THEM'"? He was referring to the fact a blade, bearing Nero's symbol, was used by a barbarian to kill his family and basically all other political opposition to the Nero dictatorship. Of course in this ep, Marius sees the same symbol again on another blade, the one used to kill Oswald and it clicks: His father wanted him to retaliate against Nero, not the barbarians. I figure most of you caught that, but I point it out anyway because the story, despite being extremely straightforward to move the game, managed to be convoluted as gently caress in these intricacies, so much so that I only ever noticed until I played through a second time.
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May 20, 2015 18:37
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If Nero wanted to hide that he was responsible for killing Marius's family, why did he give them one of his special daggers? If he didn't, why did he bother using barbarians?
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May 20, 2015 19:10
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There's a perfectly logical explanation for all of that: because Nero is an idiot and thought it would be a great idea to supply enemies of the state with one-of-a-kind weaponry that is easily identifiable.
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May 20, 2015 19:18
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Dr. Snark posted:There's a perfectly logical explanation for all of that: because Nero is an idiot and thought it would be a great idea to supply enemies of the state with one-of-a-kind weaponry that is easily identifiable. 
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I don't think the Romans were quite that good at propaganda. edit: Obvious bait for more discussion, yeah. I'm basically asking to be corrected. edit2: Their attitudes seem to be rather similar though. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 10:28 on May 21, 2015 |
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May 21, 2015 10:23
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anilEhilated posted:I don't think the Romans were quite that good at propaganda. Eh. Internal to External propaganda? Not that great, but they were masters of slandering one another. Although one of the biggest insults that was commonly thrown around was that "Person X buggers person Y!"
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May 21, 2015 10:30
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I was thinking more along the lines of "all that land is ours by right because we're superior, gods are on our side and they generally don't deserve it anyway". Was there ever a peace movement in Rome?
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May 21, 2015 10:35
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anilEhilated posted:I was thinking more along the lines of "all that land is ours by right because we're superior, gods are on our side and they generally don't deserve it anyway". Was there ever a peace movement in Rome? Not that I can remember. For the most part having military Conquest was a feather in your cap to solidify your political holdings, and service within the military was a stepping stone to becoming a Senator. If it was determined "hey, we're going to war" no questions were asked that we know of. And there's nothing like the Lysistrata in Roman culture that I know of. (For those who don't know Lysistrata was a Greek play where the women of a greek city decide to stop the fighting by withholding sex from their husbands... In a time when all parts were played by men). Oh, and if the Roman's thought the enemies Gods were to powerful, they'd just perform a ceremony and the Gods would switch sides if they did it right.
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May 21, 2015 10:56
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anilEhilated posted:I was thinking more along the lines of "all that land is ours by right because we're superior, gods are on our side and they generally don't deserve it anyway". Was there ever a peace movement in Rome? The Pax Romana?
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May 21, 2015 20:32
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Jade Star posted:The Pax Romana? That was more about maintaining peace within the empire than with outside states.
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anilEhilated posted:I was thinking more along the lines of "all that land is ours by right because we're superior, gods are on our side and they generally don't deserve it anyway". Was there ever a peace movement in Rome? Octavian/Augustus claimed that during his reign the gates of the temple of Janus, which were only closed during times when all of Rome was at peace, were closed three times when he was Princeps and only twice in total before he was there. Of course, this was in his Res Gestae which is pretty much THE propaganda work of Augustus so accuracy etc etc "As for the Gates of Janus Quirinus, which our ancestors wanted closed whenever through the whole area of the imperium of the Roman People, by land and by sea, peace had been secured by victories--although before I was born from the founding of the city only twice in all it had been closed according to tradition--three times while I was Princeps the Senate ordered them closed."
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May 21, 2015 22:12
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I'm not a historian, but I always had the impression that the Roman ideal of "peace" was "we murdered every motherfucker who dared raise a hand against us".
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I'm not a historian, but I always had the impression that the Roman ideal of "peace" was "we murdered every motherfucker who dared raise a hand against us". I.e., Calgacus's Maxim.
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I think there were some scholars in Rome that were critical of war (since of course, few cultures, especially so large as Rome, are ever truly 100% monolithic), but such criticisms tended to be framed along intellectual lines rather than moral ones. Ie, 'this is going to come back to bite us', or 'what is the benefit to this conflict exactly?' and 'we need those men working on our farms', rather than 'war is bad in and of itself and therefore we should stop fighting'. The consequences of war were considered worse than war itself, which particularly in the early days of the Republic, often was quite necessary - its been said that Rome is the rare case that 'conquered the world in self-defence'. Of course, how well that holds up to scrutiny, particularly in the later years, is very debatable. Less so is the design here. Now, Roman Walls could get big. Here's an example, albeit one that's been modified and broken down by later medieval usage (hence the difference in wall fabric). The Romans were aware that 'tall enough that two dudes working together can't climb over' was a good measure, though there was a lot of variables down to whatever was available. In the example I just showed, this was a coastal fort near some exposed cliffs - easy to find loose pieces of flint en masse. Now, what might have resulted in 'York' having the walls it does in game is some confusion stemming from real life. York does have walls that were, technically, first laid by the Romans and are commonly known as the 'roman walls' as a result, and are very much a medieval style defence. Because the current versions of the walls were made in the medieval period, in turn because the actual roman walls had fallen into disrepair, and the area still remained pretty important. The insides of the city really, really aren't roman in any fashion except maybe the courthouse, and even that's more of a broadly 'this is fancy roman architecture' thing, rather than anything that would actually consider how much all that marble and opulence would cost. Whilst the area would be kind of valuable to the romans, it was still a far removed point near the very edges of the empire, and its doubtful they'd invest that much in, y'know, a courthouse.
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Shinji117 posted:Octavian/Augustus claimed that during his reign the gates of the temple of Janus, which were only closed during times when all of Rome was at peace, were closed three times when he was Princeps and only twice in total before he was there. Of course, this was in his Res Gestae which is pretty much THE propaganda work of Augustus so accuracy etc etc My history professor told us that in the entire roman republic and empire, the gates of Janus were closed a sum total of two times.
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Calax posted:My history professor told us that in the entire roman republic and empire, the gates of Janus were closed a sum total of two times. Sounds like your history prof. was a Augustus denier.
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Chapter VI Collectibles So our collectibles this time finally throw some cards on the table and let us know who our magical albino friend is. If you haven't figured it out yet, I'll say he's actually part of the Greek/Roman pantheon and, while not the most well remembered, played a role in Roman society. Summer spirit was invented by Crytek as a yin to his yang, if you will. Chapter VI - Scrolls Chapter VI - Vistas Chapter VI - Chronicles And Good News! The primary portion of the next chapter has been recorded. I just need to do some cutting and splicing for one or two things I missed. Unfortunately its a long chapter and I was bound to miss some stuff, so expect some sneaky transitions.
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May 27, 2015 04:25
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Oh, they do try to explain why that giant army was there with siege weapons. Probably should have included that in the actual game somehow.
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I'm back baby! Also (.Y.)'s. So I just wanted to point out I've still be kinda busy lately, but I should be regularly updating the LP through the end. I also want to thank Pins for offering to guest host. We couldn't find a good time, but many thanks just the same. I think Tyty, PoorlyWrittenNovel, and I will ride this game through to the end. Chips Challenged fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Jun 7, 2015 17:22
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That arena sure does contain quite advanced and sophisticated mechanisms, even for Romans. Now historicallly, aaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhh
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If there one sure sign that a game went through massive cuts, its "And then the hero travelled somewhere with 0 incident."
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I think we've established that this game takes place in a setting loosely based on history. Very loosely based. I'm pretty sure Titus Pullo would have an apt metaphor for how loosely based in history the game is. Probably something involving prostitutes. Or gauls.
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MA-Horus posted:I'm pretty sure Titus Pullo would have an apt metaphor for how loosely based in history the game is. Probably something involving prostitutes. Or gauls. Haha I was gonna try making more HBO Rome references throughout this, but I figured it was a bit too niche. Like I said though, this game was probably derived from a binge watch of the series by Crytek devs because the execution kills feel as if they're directly lifted from the show.
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Oh HARDLY. You'd need to watch Spartacus for that. Seriously. Watch Spartacus. The first few episodes are a slog but it evolves to MAGNIFICENCE thanks to John Hannah as Batiatus.
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And Episode 7 - Part 2 is live! I have to say, despite my not liking these last parts of the game, I had a lot of fun playing and commentating over them. That leaves the finale (and the gladiator mode to show off if I can get to it) which is on its way! Expect it. Soon. 
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On the subject of games that take real historical events for the basis of their game, take a brief look at Shadow of Rome which touches the major plot points around the assassination of Julius Caesar, but also goes a little crazy with it's own story telling for the sake of gameplay. All the majors players are there, Marcus Antonius, Cicero, Octavian/Agustus, Celopatria, Marcus Brutus, etc. And they all mostly fill their historical rolls, Marcus tries to claim Caesars will, defects with Cleo, Sextus shows up late to the party to gently caress everything up, Cicero is lead cock of the Senate, etc. But then the gameplay is about Marcus Vipsainus Agrippa, a real general that served under Agustus, loving poo poo up in gladiatorial combat because that's totally awesome and hella fun. The actual plot is a little silly in places, but they do a good job of keeping the key historical figures in the right places at least. Oh and they do gladiatorial combat pretty well too. Every fight is unique, even in the same arenas. They mix it up with wooden walls, palisades, traps or moats or whatever, and it's perfectly believable, unlike the metal gear VR mission arena we just saw. so uh.. in short.. I like Shadow of Rome. Jade Star fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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Started Part 6 Sooooo Titus is trying to return Rome to it's people... that thought wouldn't even have entered his head sociologically. By this point in Roman live, the Emperors had been around for so long that the Senate was a total formality and all the power was concentrated in the hands of the Emperor. Literally by the time Titus had been born, nobody could remember when Rome wasn't under the control of Emperors. For the record, we shouldn't count on any properties about the dead... they can do anything if Indigo Prophecy/Farenheit is to be believed. Those are some Dead Or Alive level jiggle physics. On the question about strippers etc. There was no need. Rome had much different views on sex and sexuality than we did, and it was pretty easy to see a naked woman if you wanted to. Basically the entire "party of blood and sex" segment is complete bullshit. To be fair the hookers were classified on the same social rung as dancers and Actors, so low they couldn't be raped... and at one point a mother sued a guy for killing her daughter. Not for recompense for the emotional act or for the crime, but rather for killing her income source. The guy who killed a prostitute, had to pay the mother for lost income. Also the Romulus and Remus fight, those Hammer dudes have some really bad clipping on their asses (particularly noticeable with the spiky execution). I will come back later. Why is painted lady in japanese rope bondage? Again, I should point out that the Collessium wasn't a built until Nero was dead, as a direct response to show that the next dynasty was distancing itself from Nero
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Toward the end of the Pax Romano the idea of returning Rome to the people was coming around naturally. After several corrupt, or inept, or megalomaniac, or all of the above emperors some people thought to see the republic regain its control over Rome. Hey, at least Ryse got Commodus slightly right. Commodus was a bit nuts and thought himself a reincarnation of Hercules, and would participate in gladiatorial events. I recall him being a wrestler more than a swordsman in the arena, but could have done both. I clearly recall wrestling because he was supposedly assassinated via strangulation by his wrestling trainer, a slave, after being poisoned. So having him die in an arena fight is probably as close to historical accuracy as Ryse is going to give us.
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I know it's a really petty complaint, but for a game that's supposed to look so good, is it just me or do all the character models look incredibly dumb? Not even just Marius, there's not a single character in this who doesn't look laughable.
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Collectibles Episodes VI & VII ChapterVII - Chronicles Chapter VII - Scrolls Chapter VII - Vistas This time around we get a -very- revealing comic which tells that all Boudica had to do was cut off two Roman heads to unite every tribe from Britain to North Africa against Rome. Diplomacy didn't take much back then apparently. All this while Marius walked back on the great Roman road we all know as "Via Budget-Cuts." The scrolls don't reveal much of anything this time around. Apparently even Crytek got tired and just reiterated the plot rather than expanding it like they did in previous chapters. The Vistas are always refreshing though. Despite this LP essentially being a sinking ship (my fault entirely) kept afloat by a very small, but dedicated audience, I'll risk running it further into the ground by reiterating for the umpteenth time: Its kept afloat by the art. Seriously Crytek. You guys make a pretty game. Welp, onward to the finale. Its hit a speedbump or two, but all the source material is ready for it to be compiled and encoded. I'm outright making a promise it will be ready by Saturday. If not, have Geop ban me.
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HERE HAVE YOUR loving FINALE Just wanna say its been a honor making this. My first LP completed. Feels more like a polished turd more so than a personal masterpiece, but eh... This was partially a learning experience, getting a feel for the technical makeup of an LP, editing audio, piecing together 100Gbs worth of video etc. It helped a lot with presentation too. I know I'm not the most entertaining personality out there, but I feel like as the LP progressed I stopped stressing behind the mic and ended up with a quicker wit than I started with. It was a fun journey and I hope to be back at it again soon. I've already got some plans in the works, but don't hold your breath. Also for those of you desperately wanting to report me for shitposting, you can find the actual finale video linked in this sentence or the first post. Just watch the finale you'll get it. So what about the other aspects of the game? Well, the super secret thing is that... Multiplayer is actually fun and you can play it solo. I mentioned I wasn't a fan of it and it felt like it was stupidly tacked on, which it is... But after replaying the game and highlighting the lovely plot and bad gameplay mechanics in the campaign... I figure I should throw Crytek a bone. I don't want to send this baby off to the LP archive without doing this game a little justice. It probably won't be a full episode --If anything an addendum-- but I think I'll gather Tyty and PoorlyWrittenNovel (if they're both available and willing) and maybe a few others to do a short stream of the multiplayer gameplay. If we're lucky we may end up seeing an easter egg or two in there (if not, they're not hard to find on youtube).
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Was the better ending. e: also you desynced your audio pretty hard after the fadeaway cut Jade Star fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Jade Star posted:Was the better ending. Yeah... Noticed that earlier. It corrects itself after the Skype crash section. Not much I can do now though seeing as I deleted the source files a few days ago. Feel like an idiot, but oh well. Shine on you turdy LP. Shine on.
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Thanks for the pretty good LP of a pretty bad game, Tanks!
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Had it not been for your suffering I'd have probably bought this on Steam summer sale because hey, Rome, hack 'n' slash, can't be that bad right? So thanks for LPing this gilded pile of a pile, so I could spend the money on beef jerky instead.
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For all the bitching and moaning I did in the videos, I still had fun doing this. It's just that this game is trash. Absolutely mediocre to the point of being boring, and it fucks up actual history so badly. Maybe if it was handled as more than a tech demo it could have been good. Maybe we'll get Ryse 2: Germanic Boogaloo or something someday and it'll actually be well researched and good.
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Unlikely. Gamers eat up just being shown pretty pictures and told they're awesome for pressing a button in X amount of time.
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