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I don't beczuse I think art needs to come from a single vision. Books and music are art. Books for obvious reasons, music because even if the creative process is group-led, the tone and final day of the composition will be under the control of one person, and painting etc. like book, needs no further discussion. however, films, ee specially big ones, rely on the interpretation of the director, actors producer, editor and even the set and costume designers. It's too much to pull together under the vision of one person and so films for me stop at the extreme end of 'craft'. They are not art. Imo.
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But what about the profound symbology of the superman franchise op?
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So you're saying a collaborative effort to make a single product could never be art? That's small faulty logic there. I think that's what makes movies so great. It's the work of over 100 people to make a product that just entertains for 2 hours- and that's it. It's the kind of job that has no "right way" of doing it. The same film could be made 100s of different ways, but through everyone's creativity the final product is what remains on screen.
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Feb 20, 2015 03:32
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opus111 posted:
I consider this art
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Feb 20, 2015 03:32
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Who gives a poo poo, OP.
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Unlike 'video games', OP, I do in fact consider films to be art. The compromise of many minds settling together on one vision that pleases all of them is exactly my definition of art. Furthermore,
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Feb 20, 2015 03:33
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art is the product of someones expression so everything is art really
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Feb 20, 2015 03:38
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CaptainHollywood posted:So you're saying a collaborative effort to make a single product could never be art? And so its craft, not art. There's no one vision, a vital need to express something intimate and important to one person.
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Feb 20, 2015 03:39
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Slaapaav posted:art is the product of someones expression so everything is art really You could say that the belt buckle made for the Orc that is glad abohtnmeat being back on the menu is art, but the film itself isn't. Half the time they were shooting multiple scenes at once. How is the end product a. Expression of someone? SomePEOPLE, sure.
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Feb 20, 2015 03:41
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op can a fart be art it looks similar so???
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Feb 20, 2015 03:45
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The question "what is art" is art, and the inevitable ensuing debacle is also art.
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Feb 20, 2015 03:51
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IMO there is no difference between art and craft, especially in something explicitly not functional, but movies are definitely more on the soft drink label design end of art than the painting/sculpture/videogame design/poetry end of things. Not because of how they're made, there's no reason art has to be a purely individual work and it usually isn't, but their intended purpose and social role.
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Feb 20, 2015 03:54
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Movies are mirrors.
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Feb 20, 2015 03:59
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language is a virus from outer space and seeing jurassic park is better than reading an SMG post
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Feb 20, 2015 04:02
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Sinding Johansson posted:I consider this art 
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Feb 20, 2015 04:07
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Just the anime ones.
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Feb 20, 2015 04:07
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By that definition, are community murals art? What about food? Is sex art? Can sex be art?
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Feb 20, 2015 04:08
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everything has a possibility to be art it just depends on how you react to it if a bunch of people react to it at the same time then it becomes critically legitimate art which is just a dumb and probably classist demarcation it doesn't matter if it's art or not, just how you respond to it, everything is nothing until it's seen
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Feb 20, 2015 04:10
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Is the inevitability of Goku always defeating Superman in one-on-one combat art?
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Feb 20, 2015 04:10
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i'm jerking off on my laptop right now someone put me in the moma
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"hmm are these ancient cave paintings art?" "unfortunately, we can never know because we don't know if they were done principally by one mind or in equal collaboration. they will forever remain potentially-art." "how sad."
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Feb 20, 2015 04:21
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imo anything that is still under copyright and outside the public domain cannot be art. If something is art then it's importance to society outweighs it's value to an individual/corporation/etc.
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Feb 20, 2015 04:23
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Magic Hate Ball posted:everything has a possibility to be art it just depends on how you react to it No wai, it's down to if the thing has been framed as expression by its creator. And with film there is no creator but creatorS FOOD isn't art, it's craft. What is that meatball or hotdog saying about the human condition. Sex is a craft too. You are expressing love when you lick tang but not In a way that can be viewed and discussed by people outside of its production.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:imo anything that is still under copyright and outside the public domain cannot be art. If something is art then it's importance to society outweighs it's value to an individual/corporation/etc. I like this !!
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opus111 posted:No wai, it's down to if the thing has been framed as expression by its creator. 
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Feb 20, 2015 04:30
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Yes, op
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Feb 20, 2015 04:41
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Birth of a Nation: Art. To Kill a Mockingbird: Not Art.
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Feb 20, 2015 04:57
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the emergence of a new nation is.. one could say.. the ultimate perfomance art..
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Feb 20, 2015 05:29
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idk i think maybe?
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opus111 posted:Books and music are art. Books for obvious reasons, music because even if the creative process is group-led, the tone and final day of the composition will be under the control of one person, and painting etc. like book, needs no further discussion. Books are collaborative with editors and the expression of music is highly variable by the musicians. Nothing is art. Maybe paintings.
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Feb 20, 2015 07:43
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Paintings are collaborative with brushes, pigments, canvasses, light, and reality, so, not art.
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Feb 20, 2015 08:10
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Only the Criterion Collection plus those films that have won Academy Awards for Best Picture are truly art. The rest of it is prolefeed and thus unworthy of viewing by my delicate eyes.
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Feb 20, 2015 08:31
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Anime is art but not documentaries, IMO. Could be swung either way on movies about hobbits, thoughts?
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Feb 20, 2015 08:34
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There is so much wrong with your post, I am literally shaking with rage.
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Feb 20, 2015 08:41
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Paintings are collaborative with brushes, pigments, canvasses, light, and reality, so, not art. I don't think you're discussing in good faith, pal.
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Feb 20, 2015 08:49
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No, but VIDEOGAMES. ARE. ART. 
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Feb 20, 2015 08:57
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Georges Seurat's painting Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte contains a kind of yellow paint that was originally vivid, bright yellow but has, over time, darkened to amber as a result of unforseen chemical issues, as the paint was very new at the time. When Seurat painted his afternoon, it was maybe a little past one, at most, but thanks to the shift in the yellows it now looks more like late four or even five, shifting towards sunset. Seurat collaborated with his paint and it did something he didn't specifically intend for it to do, as far as we know, so naturally th
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I think it's only Art if it was recorded after he split with Paul Simon
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