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Matthew Beet posted:Tithin and Gaspy can confirm that I called out gaspy as scum day 1. Yeah Beet called Gaspy as scum after about an hour or something. My response to the masonry ignoring the investigations was just 
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tithin posted:Yeah Beet called Gaspy as scum after about an hour or something. We didn't Ignore them, we queued them up for night kill.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:26
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Tirade did literally everything wrong when he was accused. I was convinced he was scum based off his reaction.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:31
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Splode posted:Tirade did literally everything wrong when he was accused. I was convinced he was scum based off his reaction. I'm still fairly new to mafia so I'm down with any advice you guys have - what should have I been doing beyond arguing for lynching the mason's choice?
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Feb 28, 2015 00:39
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Exactly. Never ever vote for yourself. It's a dumb gambit that might be suitable if you have a power role but, if that's the case, why not just claim? See, one, the town should always be playing to win and knowingly lynching a town is counter-productive to that (unless they can, say, check a cop's sanity through the lynch). Two, it prevents the town from getting more information from when certain people decided to get on the train. Three, the lynch might never actually happen and, if you're town, a no-lynch is better than getting lynched. You might get stuck at Lynch-1. The moment you start getting belligerent and self-destructive, people will lynch you simply because they don't want to deal with it - which, really, is a big part of the reason why I didn't change my vote.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:41
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Relax! Your argument was exactly what scum in your position would pick: 'don't lynch me, lynch the guy who flipped scum!' Because it's a good, reasonable and safe argument. But you got really panicked, which looks suspicious as hell, and you didn't actually address the framer theory and why it was a stretch. The fact that gaspy didn't panic and you did was what made all the difference.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:43
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Splode posted:Relax! Your argument was exactly what scum in your position would pick: 'don't lynch me, lynch the guy who flipped scum!' Because it's a good, reasonable and safe argument. But you got really panicked, which looks suspicious as hell, and you didn't actually address the framer theory and why it was a stretch. The fact that gaspy didn't panic and you did was what made all the difference. I was just about to post this. It's a good argument but it didn't do anything to make me change my thoughts from 'No, Gaspy was framed, there's a path of logic there'. Funnily enough, there was a framer - but it was Gaspy.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:45
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Tirade posted:I'm still fairly new to mafia so I'm down with any advice you guys have - what should have I been doing beyond arguing for lynching the mason's choice? Not have a town who agrees to ignore the day 2 cop role claim.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:46
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Milky Moor posted:I was just about to post this. It's a good argument but it didn't do anything to make me change my thoughts from 'No, Gaspy was framed, there's a path of logic there'. Funnily enough, there was a framer - but it was Gaspy. Hence Gaspy saying "is there some broken role that switches your alignment?" and letting town do the work for him.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:49
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Splode posted:Relax! Your argument was exactly what scum in your position would pick: 'don't lynch me, lynch the guy who flipped scum!' Because it's a good, reasonable and safe argument. But you got really panicked, which looks suspicious as hell, and you didn't actually address the framer theory and why it was a stretch. The fact that gaspy didn't panic and you did was what made all the difference. Fair call, I was just utterly bewildered that voting with the cop was considered a scum move. The framer argument was a complete arse pluck and I was shocked that anyone took it seriously. Appealing to Mills who would know how unlikely it was and getting nothing was really surprising as well, it got me questioning my own logic rather than considering that Mills was scum. I'll chill out a bit in later games
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Feb 28, 2015 00:57
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Matthew Beet posted:Not have a town who agrees to ignore the day 2 cop role claim. Come off it, the town doesn't know the cop is 100% infallible, especially in a set up with poisoners, Masonry cops, bulletproof PGO vigilantes and such running about.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:58
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Splode posted:Relax! Your argument was exactly what scum in your position would pick: 'don't lynch me, lynch the guy who flipped scum!' Because it's a good, reasonable and safe argument. But you got really panicked, which looks suspicious as hell, and you didn't actually address the framer theory and why it was a stretch. The fact that gaspy didn't panic and you did was what made all the difference. Nah I don't know think Tirade looked panicked, he looks exasperated at the fact that all of town must have suffered a mass head injury and decided to ignore a cop role claim scum flip.
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Feb 28, 2015 00:59
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Milky Moor posted:Come off it,the town doesn't know the cop is 100% infallible, especially in a set up with poisoners, Masonry cops, bulletproof PGO vigilantes and such running about. That's why you have to test the cops claim! Not testing the claim and going off elsewhere, why even bother having cops then? The whole point of investigations were made pointless the minute it decided that more exotic options were more likely than the simple one.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:05
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Milky Moor posted:I was just about to post this. It's a good argument but it didn't do anything to make me change my thoughts from 'No, Gaspy was framed, there's a path of logic there'. Funnily enough, there was a framer - but it was Gaspy. Hah don't try rewriting history, your path of logic was wrong and sucked. I'm certain there was nothing that would have changed your thoughts about it. You showing no inclination to even consider my argument, and calling bif scum for finally coming around, was what finally broke me. After I posted about three or four reasons why lynching Kat was better than lynching me and you said "Tirade if you're town you might be most useful in death", I knew it wasn't worth arguing further 'cause you weren't actually reading a thing I wrote. Mith, I actually had a class on for a few hours after I self-voted. I would have unvoted if I'd seen your message but at that stage the vote count was like 5-2 between me and Kat, and I was completely exhausted. As I said above, I'll chill out a bit next game.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:11
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Matthew Beet posted:That's why you have to test the cops claim! Not testing the claim and going off elsewhere, why even bother having cops then? That was what got me. Sure, there could be a framer in the game, or a bus driver, etc. etc. But the chances that they'd actually be present and target gaspy on a given night are really really small, even in a role madness game.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:13
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We had to keep going to the same well to draw water with "these townie roles are so loving overpowered and broken so surely scum have some way to counter it; there must be a framer, etc".
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Feb 28, 2015 01:36
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I bought into the framer idea cause I knew we either had boosted investigative powers, or the one that wasn't me might be suss.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:37
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Yeah it's not unreasonable to think there is something countering a confirmed town masonry with both night and day investigations as well as a super cop/rolecop/watcher.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:39
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Tirade posted:Hah don't try rewriting history, your path of logic was wrong and sucked. I'm certain there was nothing that would have changed your thoughts about it. You showing no inclination to even consider my argument, and calling bif scum for finally coming around, was what finally broke me. After I posted about three or four reasons why lynching Kat was better than lynching me and you said "Tirade if you're town you might be most useful in death", I knew it wasn't worth arguing further 'cause you weren't actually reading a thing I wrote. This. With mills being mills and milky being milky it was easier to just kill off the scum during the night. The masonry couldn't get control of the narrative with those two going off.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:43
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Also re reading it I have no idea why Bif was flipped when she didn't die?
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Feb 28, 2015 01:49
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I dunno maybe I got a different perspective from being outside the game and picking gaspy as scum before cop revral . From there everything looked decidedly dumb from out here. FYI In future games if anyone suggests not testing the cops data I'll be voting for them. 
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Feb 28, 2015 01:49
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Plotterboy posted:This. Yeah Masonry did well to just get on with it.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:49
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The one thing Tirade and ODC did poorly was lurk. When they did show up, there was no content. ODC would make snippy remarks about not much at all. Tirade would just self-combust and refuse to do anything constructive. If you play like this, you are easy to get lynched. The former will usually flip scum too; I would not have been surprised to see ODC flip as another faction.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:50
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Matthew Beet posted:
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Feb 28, 2015 01:50
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Asphyxious posted:Also re reading it I have no idea why Bif was flipped when she didn't die? Also a mistake.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:50
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Yeah, I suck. I'd written the flavour for the death when i got panicked "FUCKEN WAIT FOR MITH" messages, and I ended up just tagging some bullshit about being pardoned and posting it, forgetting that the flip shouldn't have happened.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:07
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We love you tithin.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:10
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Matthew Beet posted:I dunno maybe I got a different perspective from being outside the game Well, yeah, definitely. My own role was a big player in why I didn't believe the cop's result was accurate. Frankly, if I was alive Day 3, I would have argued for a mass claim since the Masonry seemed to be all the power roles, could reasonably vouch for each other, and that'd mean we could just pick from the 'vanilla townies'.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:15
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Mills posted:We love you tithin.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:16
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Tirade posted:Hah don't try rewriting history, your path of logic was wrong and sucked. No, my logic was right (go back and check, I laid my reasoning out plain and clear). But it was based off incorrect assumptions - primarily, that there had to be something that'd balance a mason cop with the ability to privately have other confirmed masons targeting the ones he investigates without alerting anyone else. I was pretty surprised to see that the scum didn't have a strongman either.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:21
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tithin posted:Yeah, I suck. I've never wanted to run a game but if you decide to run one again I'm happy to volunteer to help co-run it. You can have naming and first billing rights.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:22
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Mills posted:The one thing Tirade and ODC did poorly was lurk. When they did show up, there was no content. ODC would make snippy remarks about not much at all. Tirade would just self-combust and refuse to do anything constructive. If you play like this, you are easy to get lynched. The former will usually flip scum too; I would not have been surprised to see ODC flip as another faction. Yeah, most of my lurking was because I was actually out of the house. By the time I got back, you had used my quietness as the basis of an argument, and a lot of people considered it rational. What I should have done was take Coq's role as the voice of the collective. I had the least useful role in the Masonry, so if they targeted me, nbd. What I did instead was play quietly, because it put Mills in a position to not build his argument.
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Feb 28, 2015 07:11
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Tirade posted:Hah don't try rewriting history, your path of logic was wrong and sucked. I'm certain there was nothing that would have changed your thoughts about it. You showing no inclination to even consider my argument, and calling bif scum for finally coming around, was what finally broke me. After I posted about three or four reasons why lynching Kat was better than lynching me and you said "Tirade if you're town you might be most useful in death", I knew it wasn't worth arguing further 'cause you weren't actually reading a thing I wrote.  I can tell you have a long future of getting lynched ahead of you.
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Feb 28, 2015 07:48
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Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:Yeah, most of my lurking was because I was actually out of the house. By the time I got back, you had used my quietness as the basis of an argument, and a lot of people considered it rational. Nah I would've gone for the Coq kill anyway. My kills are crimes of passion.
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Feb 28, 2015 08:05
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I feel like there are multiple games I would want to run of ascending difficulty, and of various themes. Sealab 2021, Arkham Asylum, Silent Hill. Still need more practice I think.
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Feb 28, 2015 12:44
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Gwynplaine posted:I feel like there are multiple games I would want to run of ascending difficulty, and of various themes. is this mafia fchat? oh this is the mafia thread. bananas.
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Feb 28, 2015 12:49
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SH themed mafia 
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Feb 28, 2015 12:55
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It'll be fiiiine, Tith. Trust we.
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Feb 28, 2015 12:58
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tithin posted:SH themed mafia Scum? They look like scum to you...?
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I was thinking of a SH themed one but couldn't get a handle on it. The main idea for a theme I've been pondering is a TISM Eurovision one.
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