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Hollismason posted:This movie was awesome when I was 13 years old and like jokes about people who had lisps like what the gently caress why did he have a lisp for that one joke? The lisp wasn't there for one joke, it was there to reinforce the idea that Valentine was like Eggy. An outsider who forced their way into the company of the aristocracy/rich. However unlike Eggy, Valentine thought he was part of the rich/aristocracy/powerful instead of an interloper tolerated despite the objections of the rest. The McDonalds and expensive wine scene was similar. Both additionally worked to support the idea that Valentine was a nerdy dork manchild. quote:Also the movie ends with the hero sodomizing a princess. Like what the gently caress? It was pretty clearly a joke on how James Bond always ends the movie loving the Bond Girl. And with Gazzelle and Roxy out of the area, the only person left other than the Princess was Iggy Azalea.
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LorneReams posted:Iggy would have been missing a head (unless I missed an obvious joke). I thought she was missing through the whole movie, meaning she was one of the kidnappees who didn't agree with the plan.
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Jonny Angel posted:I got a bunch of issues with this movie already, but if it's as you suggest and Kingsman is implying that Iggy has scruples, that's a line that can't be un-crossed. I was actually a little disappointed that apparently it was only Iggy Azalea, a Swedish Princess, and some number of unnamed celebrities who weren't down with the plan. It's the sort of situation like old cold war movies where mobsters and ne'er do wells help out the hero because, no matter their lengthy faults, they ain't no fuckin' commie. Also I really wanted to see Patrick Stewart and Pierce Brosnan shooting guards like in the comic. But the pretty fireworks and smoke show was a nice alternative.
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What makes you think Jackson got to Arthur before he slipped the tracker in Galahad's wine? They don't meet again until Jackson surprises Galahad at the tailors. No reason he couldn't have visited Arthur first. In fact it makes more sense considering his tracker would show a tailor shop and an estate as the places Galahad went.
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Atoramos posted:Yea, I suppose this is a good point. I thought Arthur said something to the effect he was Jackson's pocket from the start but I could be mistaken. It's a little odd that Arthur could be so swayed by a man he knows killed his agents for the 'good of stopping overpopulation'. Especially since Arthur would have known about the chip's head-exploding capabilities. But he ends up dying to the ole' drink switcheroo anyways which was more of the same meta bullshit, why can't I just give this movie a mental pass? He's so easily convinced because he's an rear end in a top hat who has bought into class distinction. It's the reason almost all the politicians and powerful people bought in, they think they're better and they get to start over without all that riff raff. Additionally they are being presented with a plan that is already in it's final stages. Valentine isn't asking them to help him do this, he's telling them that it's happening and offering them a chance to jump on board. So those who are privileged but corrupt jump in with both feet while those who aren't corrupt refuse to go along. So snobbish dicks like Arthur and the guy who sold out the Kingsmen in the last test are more than happy to join up. It is interesting that whether you turn down Valentine or not you still seem to be slated to survive the apocalypse. Swedish Princess wasn't the only gilded cell in the arc of assholes. VodeAndreas posted:Did Roxy have a larger or smaller role in the original material? It felt like bits were cut out of her story, I know the focus was on Eggsy but it still felt like there should have been a bit more on her. In the comic there was neither a Roxy nor dogs. In fact the new recruit class was still full when the plan went down. Since the villain had infiltrated an unknown number of agencies and power structures Eggsy had to get the rest of his class to go on the raid with him. Also the Merlin character was the one who was in on the plan instead of an Arthur character, Galahad was killed after loving the Bond Villain's girlfriend for information and then answering the door thinking it was room service, and Eggsy and his team were unable to stop the satellites. Instead they changed the frequency so instead of everyone being hyper aggressive they were hyper horny. Since Eggsy had already beat the poo poo out his step dad, we got a scene where the step dad was stuck in a hospital bed while everyone else had sex and no one touched him.
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Martman posted:Ironically, it seems like the movie is presenting the upper class as so stupid and debased that killing all of them is awesome. The movie went out of it's way to be a little obtuse on the issue, but there are clearly lots of rich people who were in the cells. The only ones walking around are those who bought into the plan. Remember there are several news reports about missing famous/rich/powerful people. Unfortunately the only one we see is the Swedish princess. It's also worth noting that the movie was equally dismissive of the lower classes. Eggsy, and probably his father, are the only ones making a change for the better. Everyone else is part of Eggsy's step dad's hoodlum gang and are shown with nothing but contempt. The message of the movie is that class and money are irrelevant, it's what you do. Galahad, Merlin, Roxy, and Eggsy are the only ones shown in a good light, and they are the ones shown to be truly egalitarian. Also Galahad's entire lesson for Eggsy was about personal drive. It's not without it's problems, but the message is more nuanced than either gently caress the rich or gently caress the poor. red19fire posted:So wait, when She didn't have one. They used micro trackers that they placed in order to do the tracking. NutritiousSnack posted:I kinda wonder about this, because I mostly agree with it but kinda feel doubtful that he was seen as an outsider by them. Because Arthur ended up being a outsider who worked his way up as well, and he is the living breathing embodiment of class. Pretty much anyone competent and who 'embodies' different aspects of wealth and influence, either don't see social mobility as a problem or were poor at one point themselves. All the other candidates outside of Iggy and Lancelot are inept idiots, the rich at the party are clueless idiots easily manipulated by Valentine and practically worship him, and hell Arthur for no reason other than 'respect' offer Iggy a spot at the agency and a handpicked survivor for Valentine's new world. When did Arthur turn out to be an outsider working his way up? Galahad was the only Kingsman bringing in candidates from the lower classes. Everyone else was from a privileged upbringing, chosen by someone from a privileged upbringing. As for Valentine, remember that at the end he asks where everyone is at. Most of the rich and powerful refused to be with him at the end of the world, instead staying with their own. The only people at his bunker appear to be the new rich and the not so powerful. The exceptions are the Swedish Prime Minister and the rich rear end in a top hat from the recruits.
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red19fire posted:I could have sworn there was a point where [spooiler]the Kingsmen stopped a video of Valentine's speaking, zoomed in on Gazelle and said "Look, she's got the same scar on her neck as Mark Hamill." I thought that's what made them start figuring out Valentine's world domination plan.[/spoiler] No, that was some VP of Valentine's company who was giving some speech.
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Jakcson posted:But is it really breaking character for a chav to engage in buggery? On the other hand, would a gentleman disregard the wishes of a princess?
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Jakcson posted:If he didn't want to get hepatitis or GRID... yes. He was quite happy about the royal vagina, but then he went and saved the world. Actions have consequences and he was forced into risky behavior.
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DrVenkman posted:The difference is that she's the one who ups the ante. He does a little bit of flirting with the old 'Oh I'll free you if you give me a kiss' (and he would've freed her anyway, he's not a dick) line and she's the one that tells him if he saves the world they can do it in the rear end. The dynamic switches because she becomes assertive. She also counters is playful request for a kiss with an offer of sex. As he's then trying to open the door Merlin realizes that he can' hack the system and tells Eggsy that he has to do something. It's then that Eggsy excuses himself from the princess with the excuse that he has to save the world, which she then offers up anal as a reward for. She's the one upping the ante at every turn, obviously throwing Eggsy slightly off guard each time. Swedish Princesses just can't resist a Chav in a suit.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:One thing I didn't get though was, where were the other 9 or 10 Kingsmen at the end? Did Arthur have them all killed or were they all in on the plot or just all dispatched to places where they couldn't help with the final mission? Time was an issue, the Kingsmen appear to be a fairly spread out organization, and there was no way to know if they were compromised or not without letting them know you know. So the Kingsmen were forced to MacGuyver a team together of who was there.
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LorneReams posted:I thought they specifically left the other Kingsmen out of this mission because they didn't know who they could trust. It was stated on screen as this. With Merlin turned and a ticking clock there was no time to call in people and test them to see if they'd also been turned. Especially since the holo-council implied that the rest of the agents were at least decently far away.
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:So what's the message of this satire? That people who care about the environment are loving nuts while the aristocrats are the only levelheaded people in the area? There is nobody on Eggsy's side who even acknowledge that global warming might be an issue. Meanwhile the villain's ranks include the likes of Obama and a Swedish republican portraying them and the villain as weaklings who are too afraid to get their hands dirty while still murdering innocents. The proposed solution to Global Warming is make people kill each other and then go right back to doing what we were doing, only with less people. It's not an environmental solution, it's an insanely right wing capitalist solution. The entire point is that it's a rich rear end in a top hat's completely dick move solution. All the rich people bunker down while the poors do a little advanced survival of the fittest until the rich think enough of them have died. They don't care about the environment, they only care that it will end up impacting their way of life so they come up with the most bastardy way of "fixing" things without impacting their way of life in the slightest. Complaining that no one stops and says directly to the camera, "Super Villainy aside, Global Warming is totally real" is not only irrelevant but not in any way the point. There are vanishingly few leftish ideas or philosophies on any side of the equation in the movie. The rich dude literally killing the poor to avoid inconvenience can not in any reasonable examination be taken as either a valid solution to a problem or an indictment of environmentalism in any way. quote:It's a farce but one that clearly sides with the Kingsman and other nobility such as the princess who represent some sort of right wing ideal and are a pretty abhorrent concept at the end of the day. The nobility and the institution of the Kingsmen are villains. Arthur kills one of the good guys and tries to kill another when he won't join in. The entire organization is compromised to an unknown extent. How did you miss the part where rich people were the bad guys, defeated by the poor guy? All of the rich people were either bad guys, locked up, or a single middle aged guy and a girl. Those rich people locked up are shown to not be right wing ideals. The princess won't sell out her people and we find that many famous people who went missing are also locked up. They were presented with literal Social Darwinism and balked. I'm not saying they're Liberal heroes, but they're sure as gently caress not right wing. Oh no, a rich person is shown in a favorable light while also showing that most rich people are dicks. Quit sucking rich, right wing dick, fascist! It's honestly like some people hear the bad guy say Global Warming and see a selective handful of Aristocrats being shown in a favorable light and their brain shuts down and enters into a Fox News Alert panick. Gyges fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:And the US Military, and several of the Kingsmen. Also the leaders of virtually every government in the world, almost all of the English Aristocracy, some athletes, some businessmen, other stereotypical rich groups with token representation at the main base so we know that the rich are there. It's not the 1%, it looks more like the top 5% and others of import were offered a spot. The movie goes out of it's way to point out that most of the rich and powerful willingly hopped on given the chance. A small portion of those offered turned down the offer, but we know it's not a particularly large number. The number of missing famous and important people was only high enough to be a news curiosity instead of a leading, important, news crisis.
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CrashCat posted:Not directed at you particularly, but I really don't get why anyone thinks everyone threw in voluntarily to murder the world when the movie took great pains to show an example of one of his 'persuasive' sessions. You could go along with the vague promises of this weird Valentine guy who has enough clout to make the rest of your career a success. His clout was so strong that being on his side was basically a golden ticket, and the notion that he is some sort of madman was covered up as well as he could manage. Then if you do, ultimately, decide to oppose him, he could dismantle your personal security in seconds and force you to decide to give up everything if you still want to defy him. He was so integrated and persuasive that he even got Arthur and who knows who else on the Kingsmen to turn traitor. There were no threats of ruining careers or blocking business deals. Just an offer to join team genocide, which most people took. He made the offer to join him in actively working towards the culling of humanity. If you refused and you were important he kidnapped you. If you refused and you weren't important the implication was he had you killed. However it seems he always laid out his entire plan and asked you to join first. Yes, there were probably at least some people who heard the plan, thought it was nuts, but also figured that it was actually happening whether they were on board or not so they got on board. The message wasn't so much the rich in general want to kill you. It was that the rich are corrupt and willing to watch the world burn if it suits their interests. A great many of the rich wouldn't have come up with a plan to kill the poor, however they also didn't exactly fight against it when it was presented to them. We see that some did, however most were persuaded to help kill billions of people by a single conversation with a Bond Villain. A single conversation and Presidents, Nobility, Prime Ministers, and Celebrities sold out the rest of humanity. Not that the poor were exactly painted in a good light either. Your choice in the movie is to be a poor prick or a rich prick. Occasionally there are poor and rich people who aren't pricks, but they're few and far between. The whole movie had a very dim view of humanity in general, and most of the arguments made concerning reasons for eating the rich are in response to other complaints that the rich were somehow the good guys.
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sassassin posted:What film was it parodying when Obama's head explodes to a triumphant score? It really depends on what point of view you're looking at Obama from. Are you looking at him as the Democratic President of the United States as an American, or as the American President as a non-American? Using a stand in for the actual President instead of creating President Smith for your movie does not, inherently, convey a direct opinion of the actual President. In the movie he functioned less as Barack Obama and more as American President/World Leader who you can recognize immediately.
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coathat posted:The cull was nessicary and now the human race is doomed to extinction. Nothing in the film actually supports the belief that the cull is necessary. Just the word of a literal super villain and the fact that the rich overwhelmingly agreed to kill the poor.
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