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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Evil Fluffy posted:

This is a good thing though, because it doesn't change anything while Obama's in office

That's exactly what they are trying to change. Not setting the rules at the next session, the House is pushing for McConnell to change them now. That this cannot be done because the Dems won't provide the necessary votes is not accepted by the House, members of which are insisting McConnell do it anyways, and his refusal to do so is weakness.

Yes, the House is insisting on something that is contrary to reality. I don't know why anyone would be surprised by that at this point.

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J33uk
Oct 24, 2005

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Pick one:

[*]Obama refuses to restore foreign aid to Egypt because Sisi took power in a coup. So the best way to oppose Obama is to support Sisi.



Nope. Restored like a year ago along with the Apache deliveries. You've got to realize that foreign policy is strictly an optics based affairs in this White House, once something is out of the news you implement the real policy.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

J33uk posted:

Nope. Restored like a year ago along with the Apache deliveries. You've got to realize that foreign policy is strictly an optics based affairs in this White House, once something is out of the news you implement the real policy.

Which is exactly why Republicans believe he never actually implemented the real policy and support Sisi. :ssh:

Theris
Oct 9, 2007

Rygar201 posted:

I haven't put a ton of time into that Politics list (a lot of the good names had been mentioned before), but BillMon and Dick Nixon are both pro follows, if for very different reasons

@dick_nixon is incredible. If you told me the account was run by his actual ghost or head in a jar I'd be inclined to believe you.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
The phase "pulling out all the stops" gets thrown around a lot, but the stops are all out and the air is almost gone from the bellows and they're just stomping on the pedals as hard as they can while banging their head against all three rows of keys.

CroatianAlzheimers
Jun 15, 2009

I can't remember why I'm mad at you...


Joementum posted:

The phase "pulling out all the stops" gets thrown around a lot, but the stops are all out and the air is almost gone from the bellows and they're just stomping on the pedals as hard as they can while banging their head against all three rows of keys.



You know, it's nice to know that somebody knows the etymology of that phrase. I'm not at all surprised that person is you.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Joementum posted:

The phase "pulling out all the stops" gets thrown around a lot, but the stops are all out and the air is almost gone from the bellows and they're just stomping on the pedals as hard as they can while banging their head against all three rows of keys.



To be fair, it's rude to shoot down nominally friendly jets unless they are, for example, bombing the poo poo out of a US Navy signals intelligence ship.

For example.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Joementum posted:

The phase "pulling out all the stops" gets thrown around a lot, but the stops are all out and the air is almost gone from the bellows and they're just stomping on the pedals as hard as they can while banging their head against all three rows of keys.



If you can't trust unnamed sources reported in a Kuwaiti newspaper and repeated by Matt Drudge, who can you trust?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Stultus Maximus posted:

If you can't trust unnamed sources reported in a Kuwaiti newspaper and repeated by Matt Drudge, who can you trust?

Obama is refusing to say that he would never ever bomb an Israeli jet no matter what. What is he trying to hide?

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

baw posted:

If anyone gets the Caesar treatment it would probably be Ted Cruz.

Clue: Ted Cruz edition

When the lights come back on, the guests in the mansion race against time to figure out who didn't have a part in the plot against Ted Cruz. A new take on the classic who-done-it becomes a who-didnt?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Joementum posted:

The phase "pulling out all the stops" gets thrown around a lot, but the stops are all out and the air is almost gone from the bellows and they're just stomping on the pedals as hard as they can while banging their head against all three rows of keys.



Sometimes I can't tell who Drudge is supposed to be porn for, me or the tea party.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
So in Virginia private citizens can just start rolling around as an armed police force despite not being, you know, cops

Like, I can't even enumerate the number of ways this can go wrong. I mean, just starting with the history of armed private citizens deciding to enforce their interpretation of the law in this country. Or color of law civil rights violations. Or just about any other point where we get "oh, you don't meet the standards to be trained as an officer of the law, much less get years of on the job training from the institution proper? Go ahead and pretend you are a policeman anyways, the state will back you up"

Jesus

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Oh, and here: have Ted Cruz's 1992 op-ed in the Daily Princetonian where he questions the president's authority to institute a keg ban.

SirFozzie
Mar 28, 2004
Goombatta!

ComradeCosmobot posted:

It’s time once again for our favorite form of legitimate theater: American Political Theater - March 2016!

Comrade, it is true! Our loyal workers have discovered the secret of time travel! Please, tell us how the will of the people were served over the next twelve months (and who wins the 2015 world series? Me and Dimitri have a bet)

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

SirFozzie posted:

Comrade, it is true! Our loyal workers have discovered the secret of time travel! Please, tell us how the will of the people were served over the next twelve months (and who wins the 2015 world series? Me and Dimitri have a bet)

Badly. All the fever dreams of Republicans came true and Obama is running for a third term!

blunt for century
Jul 4, 2008

I've got a bone to pick.

Fried Chicken posted:

So in Virginia private citizens can just start rolling around as an armed police force despite not being, you know, cops

Like, I can't even enumerate the number of ways this can go wrong. I mean, just starting with the history of armed private citizens deciding to enforce their interpretation of the law in this country. Or color of law civil rights violations. Or just about any other point where we get "oh, you don't meet the standards to be trained as an officer of the law, much less get years of on the job training from the institution proper? Go ahead and pretend you are a policeman anyways, the state will back you up"

Jesus

What. The. gently caress.

Legalized vigilantes. Might as well deputize the Klan while you're at it.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

blunt for century posted:

What. The. gently caress.

Legalized vigilantes. Might as well deputize the Klan while you're at it.

hey now, this new bill will require them to have the same level of training as a mall cop! You know, until it gets taken down as part of burdensome government regulation on private enterprise.

Liberal_L33t
Apr 9, 2005

by WE B Boo-ourgeois

Joementum posted:

The phase "pulling out all the stops" gets thrown around a lot, but the stops are all out and the air is almost gone from the bellows and they're just stomping on the pedals as hard as they can while banging their head against all three rows of keys.



Barack Obama is the greatest modern American president. All of you so-called "leftists" who disingenuously call him center-right (you know who you are) need to get off your loving high horse and give this man the credit he is due for the most dramatic stand against Israeli militarism in U.S. history. Anyone who has called him an Israeli tool or whatever can officially shut the gently caress up, forever.

Edit: And just to be clear, I'm well aware the newspaper may be making this up, though I don't know why we should assume it is until proven otherwise. That doesn't really matter if the right-wing media grabs it and runs with it. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 20%+ bump in Obama's arab-world approval ratings after this.

Liberal_L33t fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Mar 2, 2015

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


blunt for century posted:

What. The. gently caress.

Legalized vigilantes. Might as well deputize the Klan while you're at it.

I read a similar story a few weeks back: You can pay donate to be a cop in Oakley, MI!

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Fried Chicken posted:

So in Virginia private citizens can just start rolling around as an armed police force despite not being, you know, cops

Like, I can't even enumerate the number of ways this can go wrong. I mean, just starting with the history of armed private citizens deciding to enforce their interpretation of the law in this country. Or color of law civil rights violations. Or just about any other point where we get "oh, you don't meet the standards to be trained as an officer of the law, much less get years of on the job training from the institution proper? Go ahead and pretend you are a policeman anyways, the state will back you up"

Jesus
I don't see what the problem is, it says right in the second amendment we need militias.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

Liberal_L33t posted:

Barack Obama is the greatest modern American president. All of you so-called "leftists" who disingenuously call him center-right (you know who you are) need to get off your loving high horse and give this man the credit he is due for the most dramatic stand against Israeli militarism in U.S. history. Anyone who has called him an Israeli tool or whatever can officially shut the gently caress up, forever.

Edit: And just to be clear, I'm well aware the newspaper may be making this up, though I don't know why we should assume it is until proven otherwise. That doesn't really matter if the right-wing media grabs it and runs with it. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 20%+ bump in Obama's arab-world approval ratings after this.

For future reference you might want to assume everything you read from the Drudge Report is made up until proven otherwise.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/01/1367853/-Right-wingers-spread-rumor-Obama-threatened-to-shoot-down-Israeli-jets-attacking-Iran

quote:

The story, as first relayed by Arutz Sheva, reported that a “Kuwaiti paper claims unnamed Israeli minister with good ties with the US administration 'revealed the attack plan to John Kerry.'”

Al-Jarida also reported Sunday that “well placed” sources confirmed an unnamed Israeli minister disclosed the plan to Secretary of State John Kerry, and that Mr. Obama replied by warning that he would foil the plan by shooting down Israeli jets before they could reach their target destinations.
“Netanyahu and his commanders agreed after four nights of deliberations to task the Israeli army’s chief of staff, Benny Gantz, to prepare a qualitative operation against Iran’s nuclear program. In addition, Netanyahu and his ministers decided to do whatever they could do to thwart a possible agreement between Iran and the White House because such an agreement is, allegedly, a threat to Israel’s security,” the report said.

eNeMeE
Nov 26, 2012

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

I still don't understand how Harper has managed to hang on to the PM seat as long as he has.
Because coalitions are scary, the Liberals are corrupt and will give out advertising dollars for nothing, and the NDP are bad with money. [/things Canadians believe]

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Liberal_L33t posted:

Barack Obama is the greatest modern American president. All of you so-called "leftists" who disingenuously call him center-right (you know who you are) need to get off your loving high horse and give this man the credit he is due for the most dramatic stand against Israeli militarism in U.S. history. Anyone who has called him an Israeli tool or whatever can officially shut the gently caress up, forever.

Edit: And just to be clear, I'm well aware the newspaper may be making this up, though I don't know why we should assume it is until proven otherwise. That doesn't really matter if the right-wing media grabs it and runs with it. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 20%+ bump in Obama's arab-world approval ratings after this.

Actually, how does the average Israeli feel about Bibi and the Republicans teaming up to turn support for Israel into a partisan thing that pushes Democrats away from the status quo sloppy blow jobs for Israel no matter what? I mean actively antagonizing the President of the United States and his party has to be throwing a monkey wrench in plans somewhere.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
The idea that Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes is a good litmus test. If you believe it, you are totally insane.

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Joementum posted:

The idea that Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes is a good litmus test. If you believe it, you are totally insane.
The alternative is that Bibi ordered the strike despite the Israeli military being against it and Obama narrowly averted a loving World War by standing up to a maniac. Either way, this is a win for Obama.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

The alternative is that Bibi ordered the strike despite the Israeli military being against it and Obama narrowly averted a loving World War by standing up to a maniac. Either way, this is a win for Obama.

Oh?



When you've lost the faith of Chuck Woolery, you've lost America. :911:

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Gyges posted:

Actually, how does the average Israeli feel about Bibi and the Republicans teaming up to turn support for Israel into a partisan thing that pushes Democrats away from the status quo sloppy blow jobs for Israel no matter what? I mean actively antagonizing the President of the United States and his party has to be throwing a monkey wrench in plans somewhere.

My understanding is its a fairly partisan split. Likud supporters like it, Labour supports think it is foolish, and the op-eds and talking heads are nattering on with about as much influence as they ever have.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Fried Chicken posted:

My understanding is its a fairly partisan split. Likud supporters like it, Labour supports think it is foolish, and the op-eds and talking heads are nattering on with about as much influence as they ever have.
Anyone actually involved in national security in Israel loving hates what he's doing though, because they know that the US is Israel's sugar daddy and you shouldn't be biting the hand that feeds you like Netanyahu has made a habit of regularly doing.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Fried Chicken posted:

hey now, this new bill will require them to have the same level of training as a mall cop! You know, until it gets taken down as part of burdensome government regulation on private enterprise.

quote:

The private officers would now be required to train for 130 hours, up from 40 hours — less than the state requires for nail technicians, auctioneers and security guards.

Less than mall cops. Mall cops are better trained than these jackoffs.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

JT Jag posted:

Anyone actually involved in national security in Israel loving hates what he's doing though, because they know that the US is Israel's sugar daddy and you shouldn't be biting the hand that feeds you like Netanyahu has made a habit of regularly doing.

yeah but that's hardly an Israel/Bibi thing. The experts in a given field always have a very different idea of what national policy for that field should look like compared to the political leaders.

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Ballz posted:

Oh?



When you've lost the faith of Chuck Woolery, you've lost America. :911:

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Fried Chicken posted:

yeah but that's hardly an Israel/Bibi thing. The experts in a given field always have a very different idea of what national policy for that field should look like compared to the political leaders.
Sometimes it makes you yearn for a technocracy.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Randalor posted:

Less than mall cops. Mall cops are better trained than these jackoffs.

see, I read that as the 40 was less than was required for mall cops, and the 130 was bringing them up to that level. But looking again, you could be right as well. It is not an artfully constructed sentence.

Point is, the whole idea is insane. You want private security, ok, but the thing is there is a tight leash on what private security can do. These guys don't have those checks.

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

JT Jag posted:

Sometimes it makes you yearn for a technocracy.
The last story in I, Robot is actually the best possible future for the human race.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

JT Jag posted:

Sometimes it makes you yearn for a technocracy.

Not really, a lot of experts aren't that on point outside their wheelhouse. Spending a lifetime getting a full understanding of one problem is nice, except it can leave you deficient in other fields.


Really the only solution is to appoint me god emperor of mankind and give me absolute authority. Or barring that, $2 trillion dollars, the power of conscription, and free reign to start up a few dozen Manhatten Project style "develop this technology NOW" endeavors.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


SpiderHyphenMan posted:

The last story in I, Robot is actually the best possible future for the human race.

Idiocracy's future doesn't look too bad once we figure out the whole not watering plants with sport drinks parrt.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Fried Chicken posted:



Really the only solution is to appoint me god emperor of mankind and give me absolute authority. Or barring that, $2 trillion dollars, the power of conscription, and free reign to start up a few dozen Manhatten Project style "develop this technology NOW" endeavors.

You're an intense dude, what's your stance on leisure time for your subjects? Any Augustan moral reforms in mind? I'm a gettable vote in your campaign for Dictator is what I'm saying. Are you more Julius or Cincinattus? The Citizens need to know

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Fried Chicken posted:

Not really, a lot of experts aren't that on point outside their wheelhouse. Spending a lifetime getting a full understanding of one problem is nice, except it can leave you deficient in other fields.
It wouldn't be a technocracy if just one person was in charge. The practical method to create a technocracy as similar to the American system as possible would be to abolish the Presidency and Congress and make the various bureaucracies the authorities, with what is now cabinet members instead being representatives from the various bureaucracies.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Idiocracy's future doesn't look too bad once we figure out the whole not watering plants with sport drinks parrt.

Hell, most dystopias would be a massive step up simply because the creator's view of what is terrible is usually "what if white people were treated like the poor in the first world" since they don't realize A) what it is like to be poor in America and B) don't realize what it is like to be poor outside the global rich states.

Yeah. Looking right at ya, Verhoeven.

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Theris
Oct 9, 2007

Fried Chicken posted:

Not really, a lot of experts aren't that on point outside their wheelhouse. Spending a lifetime getting a full understanding of one problem is nice, except it can leave you deficient in other fields.

Sometimes it's not even "not on point," but "barely functional morons" regarding anything outside their field or sometimes even other specialties within their field. Just ask anyone who's ever worked IT at a hospital or university.

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