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Black Bones posted:I'll take the Spiders over the Delacourts any day. It should be noted that the medipods as they were shown were something was added in later stages of the script. I believe they had medipods in the initial versions, but they were more like Ghost In The Shell intro cyborg manufacturing and brain implanting pods, since the Elysians were crazy cyborgs (I believe Frey was supposed to have gotten a "ticket" to Asgard at one point, since she shows up in Aaron Beck's designs as a medical cyborg, Kruger's henchmen were more mechanical than man and the ending has Kruger returning from getting his face blown off as a polar bear/panther cyborg or a Metal Gear instead of donning a exosuit). Instead, the original idea was that the Elysians, then known as the Asgari when Elysium was called Asgard, had literal Star Trek matter replicators while everyone on Earth was extracting resources to "fuel" them.
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ChogsEnhour posted:How were they? I know the whole thing is an "act" but how are the actors who are acting as characters when their acted characters act as other characters? They're pretty much straight up acting as if Die Antwoord were gangsters, their home base is built by them after all. Their sings are also used liberally throughout the film but I thought it was used well.
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Die Antwoord sucks, and apparently Ninja is a horseshit person.
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I love how initial trailers featured Die Antwoord in them (especially Yolandi  ) but later trailers and tv spots have just made it look like a straight up action movie. If anything it just makes me feel like the movie will be a jarring contrast between action and comedy without finding a good balance for either. I hope I'm wrong. Also the dialog in the trailer just sounded awful. As a Saffer I really want the movie to do good, and I want Bloemkamp to succeed, but he seems like a director that has a bit too much control over his stuff, which can lead to bad things happening like a M. Night movie. I would love to see Bloemkamp work off someone else's script is what I am trying to say.
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Just got home from watching it. There's about as much action in this movie as there is in District 9, but it's not nearly as violent. Die Antwoord (and by the way, they are absolutely Die Antwoord in this movie, basically playing themselves) have a way bigger part than I originally thought, and while there were a few parts that you could tell that these guys weren't actors, I was pretty surprised by how well they handled everything. I'll also add that this movie did not end in any way close to how I thought it was going to, so that was a nice surprise, even though it was absolutely insane. It's basically a combination of RoboCop, Terminator, and Short Circuit. I was entertained.
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Black Bones posted:I remember asking you in the Elysium thread, but I don't recall much of an answer - what in the film gives you the idea that they've lost the ability to gather more resources? Build more spaceships/robots? I don't recall seeing much in the way of people looking beyond their own interests. Earth in Elysium is a planet of Raiders looking for their next mark or criminal act, without any Vault Dwellers or Brotherhood Of Steel folks to point them in any progressive direction. And if there are those people around, they'll be eaten out of short-sighted, pretty revenge. On the topic of CHAPPiE, I saw it and need some time to process. My initial thoughts are that it's a R rated Short Circuit with the pop-culture robot replaced with one with the personality of a 6-8yo. Loved his freak-out when Chappie expresses how both his Fathers hosed him over, and him absolutely obliterating Hugh Jackman and then immediately forgiving him, because that's what you do. Solid movie. Ending surprised me.
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Mar 6, 2015 04:45
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This movie fuckin ruled. If you're on the fence, go see it.
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Mar 6, 2015 06:27
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The first trailer I saw for this made it look like a family film, that's probably why they machoed up the marketing.
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Mar 6, 2015 06:42
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Entertaining movie, like robocop, short circuit, how the matrix was created, and the terminator if john conner taught the terminator to be hood, all crammed together. Its not gonna win any huge awards but it was a fun film.
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Frackie Robinson posted:The first trailer I saw for this made it look like a family film, that's probably why they machoed up the marketing.
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Mar 6, 2015 07:40
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I'd say Chappie is at least as kid-friendly as Robocop. And which of us didn't watch that any chance we could?
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effectual posted:This movie fuckin ruled. If you're on the fence, go see it. Cool, this is the review I was waiting for.
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Mar 6, 2015 12:40
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I loved [the character] Chappie, but I felt like the movie started with a barebones plot outline that was fleshed out around a haphazard inclusion of Die Antwoord. Ninja and Yolandi actually wear their own tshirts throughout the film. It was jarring. Also, the whole conceit of the big gangster guy driving the Antwoord Gang to pull of the heist was completely unnecessary and felt wooden. And the heist was stupid. "I know, let's kidnap the robot guy, oops change of plan [which is later enacted by Villain No. 2!] then we'll let him go, train the robot to steal cars, then we can sell the cars to buy explosives, then we can do the heist!" They kidnap the driving force behind a multi-national company's successful product, then they let him go? Why do the [unnecessarily complicated] heist at all? I just couldn't get over that. That said, if you approach it as an awesome action film without a lot of thought, you won't be disappointed.
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effectual posted:I'd say Chappie is at least as kid-friendly as Robocop. And which of us didn't watch that any chance we could? I saw Robocop when I was three on a VHS I snuck away from a family friend's house. I think kids can handle Chappie if I could handle that.
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It's always interesting to see how different the trailers and t.v. spots are for a movie like this. The trailers will usually show a fair representation of what a film is really like, and the t.v. spots will just manipulate the viewers and only show very select action sequences and paint the movie in a totally different tone then what it really is.
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Mar 6, 2015 17:34
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I saw Robocop when I was three on a VHS I snuck away from a family friend's house. I think kids can handle Chappie if I could handle that. I don't think every kid could handle RoboCop's Melting Man
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redreader posted:I don't think every kid could handle RoboCop's Melting Man When I came back to it as like a 10-year-old after kind of forgetting about it other than internalizing it as "cool thing", that actually hosed with me a lot worse and I was sort of confused as to how I didn't remember it. The rest of the movie, though, is too silly to really be effective; the ED-209 scene is live action Looney Tunes with squibs.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:26
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3Romeo posted:I'm waiting for the inevitable third-rate review from an unoriginal critic whose Rotten Tomatoes blow-out quote is "CRAPPiE." How about "Robocopy?" http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/movies/movie_reviews/2015/03/robocopy_idiotic_chappie_drones_on_and_on Wonder how bad he hurt his arm trying to pat himself on the back with that one
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Mar 6, 2015 18:44
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I saw Robocop when I was three on a VHS I snuck away from a family friend's house. I think kids can handle Chappie if I could handle that. There are boobies in Robocop. Are there boobies in this? This is important.
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Lotish posted:There are boobies in Robocop. Are there boobies in this? This is important. If you don't count a porno playing on a televsion in the background, no. But Yo-Landi wears a shirt that says "Who needs tits" on the front and "... when you have an rear end like this" on the back...
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Dillbag posted:If you don't count a porno playing on a televsion in the background, no. But Yo-Landi wears a shirt that says "Who needs tits" on the front and "... when you have an rear end like this" on the back... Google images tells me she has a point. 
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Google images tells me she has a point.
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Saw this tonight. I wish it wasn't such a commercial for die Antwoord. Half the time they were all wearing promotional shirts, their entire hideout was decorated in Zef poo poo. Chappie ended up having their album name spraypainted on him. It was really stupid and broke the fourth wall too much.
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Just got back from a showing and I really enjoyed it. I imagine it's not going to be nearly as popular on this board as Blomkamp's other movies because aside from the fairly simple and straightforward parallels to creation myths its refreshingly lacking in pretense. It's a fun mash-up of cute baby robot antics and some pretty great action, if you're looking for another movie that you can spend hours arguing about how it's totally an endorsement of [pet political issue of choice] then you're going to be disappointed. Same with people who were hoping this would be some prolonged  circlejerk about AI and transhumanism, the movie actually introduces some fairly heady existential sci-fi concepts in the final acts but actively goes out of its way to not address them outside of how they directly relate to Chappie and his family.Also I don't really follow music so I don't really know or care about Die Antwood and I thought that they were just fine. People just seem to love to bitch and moan about musicians getting acting roles regardless of the quality of the end product, kind of like how Rhianna being in Battleship was some huge punchline when the movie came out even thought she only had like 5 lines in the whole thing and was completely unremarkable. Also Hugh Jackman was completely one-dimensional and seemed to exist solely to justify the awesomely violent final act but on the other hand if you can't enjoy watching Hugh Jackman with a mullet stomping around in shorts with a permanent  face then I don't know what to tell you.
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Quite enjoyed this. The visual integration of Chappie is flawless, which matches how effective he's been with most of his special effects. Without getting spoilery, I was slightly concerned as it started as it was quite a lot Short Circuit but then they got me fully engaged dealing with the conflicting influences on Chappie. It stays really satisfying but there's like an extra act which doesn't have a great deal of foundational support with what the movie's universe's science should allow but they just run with it. It does payoff in the end but I would have preferred it had it been done fewer times. Either way, it was good stuff. They had tons of opportunities to have Chappie learn and then say a cheesy catchphrase but avoided it entirely. And where there were echoes of District 9 or Elysium they usually took it in a bit of a different direction so that was nice. I would have liked it had they tightened up some sections and wrote some motivations more clearly. They also have a few situations of "we can't do this because..." that just felt like they didn't want to deal with it even though they kind of do later deal with it. Could have been a way to leverage the creativity of Chappie himself as an intelligent being capable of doing something humans were unable to invent. Also, unless I missed something didn't the crazy psycho who forced the gang to repay him millions of South African bucks escape in the end? Satisfying and I would say better than Elysium overall. With a bit more work on the script it could have been as good as District 9.
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Re: your spoiler it was really strongly implied Ninja beat him to death with a shovel.
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Man this film is getting eaten alive on Rottentomatoes. I'm probably going to see it next week anyway though. I love District 9 and was meh Elysium, but my wife seems excited to see it, and that's rare as hell for a sci-fi film so I'm not going to miss out. Also , we both like Die Antwoord, so I don't imagine either of us will be particularly angered by their inclusion which seems to be the most popular major objection. If all I get is Elysium levels of quality (good visuals, cool ideas, meh story), I can live with that.
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This movie's script is a mess and it should've been 30 minutes shorter but even at its worst it's really personable and energetic and I couldn't help but root for it. Blomkamp is a great VFX director, and he knows where to put cameras, real or virtual. Everything looks tactile and solid, the actors always seem like they're interacting with something in physical space instead of a placeholder, and the blocking of the action scenes sells the sense of jeopardy in a way I don't think most movies ever manage. It's also pretty funny in that blackly satirical Robocop vein. Hugh Jackman's character gets a particularly ridiculous arc please let me use my stupid robot. Mom. Mom! Please let me use my stupid robot. Okay, you can use your idiot robot *it explodes instantly* I like to imagine his character wondering how many giant scissors Jesus would want him to put on the Moose. If Blomkamp keeps making movies about persecuted outcasts in racially and economically segregated societies, he should probably figure out how to tell stories about black people without writing them as criminals or spear-carriers. All in all I'm glad it got made.
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General Battuta posted:Re: your spoiler it was really strongly implied Ninja beat him to death with a shovel. Goddamn, of course you're right. It was background and for some reason I spaced on it.
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This was a super fun movie that I enjoyed way more than Elysium, and I actually liked Elysium despite its flaws. My only guess is that everybody hates this movie because the robot isn't a saint and the movie doesn't condemn the criminal lifestyle at all, but those were the two things that kept this from literally being Short Circuit. I also feel like a lot of people are maybe on some level offended by the reductive nature of consciousness that the movie presents. I mean the whole movie is basically about how robots are pretty awesome until humans gently caress everything up, and that people are lovely, and that the thing that makes you human isn't actually that special. I can see that putting a lot of people off. I mean, the robot police are great until Hugh Jackman fucks with them! They're demonstrably better for everyone than human police, for all of the reasons highlighted by Jackman's Chappie doesn't learn what it really means to be human in the end. He learns that humans are lovely, and robots are better. I can't say I disagree. ephori fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Sleeveless posted:if you're looking for another movie that you can spend hours arguing about how it's totally an endorsement of [pet political issue of choice] then you're going to be disappointed. Same with people who were hoping this would be some prolonged That the film is unpretentious does not mean these things aren't being addressed. There are some relatively complex things going on - like Chappie carjacking rich people while yelling 'don't steal!', or believing that those who get stabbed are 'just going to sleep'. Of course the joke is that he's being tricked, but the joke beneath the joke is that these metaphors have more truth to them than the 'commonsense' reality. Ninja himself actually believes that the rich have personally stolen from him, and that killing is no big deal. Teaching to this to Chappie requires that he say it out loud, which causes him to realize what he's saying - impacting his own character. There's a tricky theological message too, because when was the last time you saw this many genuflections in a film? The ending of the film is genuinely disquieting because you have these 'immortal' people, but - in a reversal of Elysium's 'Book of Revelations' ending - full communism has not yet been instated. So although the characters have life after death, this is not a 'transhumanist' ending where you have the Kingdom of Heaven. The point is really that bodily immortality is wholly distinct from 'the immortal spirit'. And so there is a great deal of ambiguity about what these characters will do with their newfound power - whether they will change the world or just replicate what came before.
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Chappie = Modern remake of Robocop + Short Circuit. Neill Blomkamp is big on 80's action movies. Notice the ED 209 that Hugh Jackman operates. Also, Neill Blomkamp was working on an Alien 5 pitch to Fox, which would technically be Alien 3 since it would have ignored Alien 3 and 4 (kind of like how Robert Ridriguez ignored all the sequels for Predators). Concept art looked good:   Also: Neill Blomkamp Terminator. Someone make that happen.
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Agree with all points about how A. The movie was a technical/aesthetic treat to watch and B. it felt almost like a Die Antwoord music video half the time. I half-expected the movie to end in a music video in the factory once I saw the robo-Yolandi. Funny thing someone said it was advertised as a family movie, some people brought their kids and the kids lost their poo poo when Chappie was being tortured, then later when he gets his arm cut off as he cries out. All in all, a real well put together movie if a bit silly at times. Hans Zimmer's score is really well done too and Die Antwoord's music is used just right. What this movie really made me think about though is what a Blomkamp Deus Ex movie would look like. He has the aesthetics and tone dead on.
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Some more pre Chappie stuff: From 2006, for an Adidas marketing campaign: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmd8BDiB-qU "Adicolor," my understanding is they gave seven up-and-coming directors a budget and a color and let them do whatever they wanted. This is more Short Circuit and less Robocop. From 2005: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCS0hNyJf6k Really weird. This doesn't fit with any of the other Blomkamp material. It's like some Adult Swim or IFC comedy thing. Is that Lynda Carter? Yes it is.
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Also why does everyone seem to be so fixated on Die Antwoord? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMK0prafzw0
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Maldoror posted:Also why does everyone seem to be so fixated on Die Antwoord? You should watch the first video they released, it was well shot
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Also it's worth mentioning that this has one of the most shameless and prolonged pieces of product placement in recent memory. The PS4: powerful enough to answer the question of human consciousness
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Maldoror posted:Chappie = Modern remake of Robocop + Short Circuit. Neill Blomkamp is big on 80's action movies. Notice the ED 209 that Hugh Jackman operates. That kind of makes sense, since District 9 was like an inferior Alien Nation.
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Sleeveless posted:Also it's worth mentioning that this has one of the most shameless and prolonged pieces of product placement in recent memory. That actually has a precident. People used to make super computer clusters out of multiple PS3s to do protien folding computations and other distributed tasks.
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At least he didnt mine buttcoins.
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