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Mar 6, 2015 03:33
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not really but you're being dishonest if you say advertising is just a form of letting the public be informed. I mean it could be that but not it's like rom Swanson would make a good ad "this phone was built with good tools and time and effort was out into it. there are no gimmicky features. buy it or not"
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Mar 6, 2015 03:47
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okay so now that you've let it known that anything that isn't a spec sheet is immoral lets get down with sin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtS39XS513I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrqZl2QIz0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDTSoHmbvhQ
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Mar 6, 2015 04:03
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you know what the fundamental problem is here, pagancow doesn't see selling someone something as an adversarial process, he sees it as a mutually beneficial one i can't imagine how he can maintain that belief when we're explicitly discussing how brands and ads about those brands are intentionally emotionally manipulative, but i guess that sort of cognitive dissonance is what you need to show up to work every day in advertising
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Mar 6, 2015 04:12
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i don't think you can say using emotional manipulation to coerce someone into doing something they wouldn't otherwise consent to isn't immoral since in a more physical context it falls neatly unto the umbrella of "rape"
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Mar 6, 2015 04:15
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irl i do a lot of work with brands. i'm pretty good now at adopting brand languages as needed (visual, copy, whatever) it's all bullshit, a waste of consciousness.
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Mar 6, 2015 04:18
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Mar 6, 2015 04:24
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infernal machines posted:i don't think you can say using emotional manipulation to coerce someone into doing something they wouldn't otherwise consent to isn't immoral since in a more physical context it falls neatly unto the umbrella of "rape" oh no someone i dont know might be able to connect with me emotionally!!! SHIELDS UP!!!
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Mar 6, 2015 04:26
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infernal machines posted:you know what the fundamental problem is here, pagancow doesn't see selling someone something as an adversarial process, he sees it as a mutually beneficial one human beings make emotional choices not rational ones, of course most ads sell a dream, or aspiration and then try to tie the product to it sometimes its a good tie, most of the time its bad
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Mar 6, 2015 04:28
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first thing for "funny superbowl ad" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnQSL9HXo8 first thing that comes up is breaking bad, a thing people have an emotional connection with, i guess every time you watch breaking bad its like being raped now because they are tied to the product now
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Mar 6, 2015 04:30
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echinopsis posted:yeah but word of mouth isn't propaganda. if someone likes someone genuinely and tells someone and they buy it that's acceptable, it's based in reality and good things will sell better A product will always find a fan. That fan will evangelize the product and get more fans. Maybe someone doesn't like the product at all, but that's ok, because brands are owned by huge companies, and perhaps you'll like one of their other products.
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Mar 6, 2015 04:34
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madeupfred posted:
a single lovely logo does not branding equate.
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Mar 6, 2015 04:43
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pagancow posted:first thing for "funny superbowl ad" 
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Mar 6, 2015 04:50
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pagancow posted:okay so now that you've let it known that anything that isn't a spec sheet is immoral lets get down with sin: i rly liked the sony ad
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Mar 6, 2015 07:58
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the only good add is the asian girl with the tube of toothpaste
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Mar 6, 2015 08:23
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do end up surrounded by tubes
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Mar 6, 2015 08:24
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theadder posted:do end up surrounded by tubes 
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Mar 6, 2015 08:27
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afte watching all those ads, one takeaway i have is that it would be really strange to not live in a major metro.
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Mar 6, 2015 08:46
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hmm!!!!
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Mar 6, 2015 08:52
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gimme another got one 4 yahweh???
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Mar 6, 2015 08:57
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theadder posted:gimme another got one 4 yahweh??? 
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Mar 6, 2015 09:10
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Suspicious posted:i remember in "i, robot" someone says to will smith "nice shoes" and he answers "vintage 2004". i'm used to product placement but i had never seen actors actually acknowledge it in-character people talk about this one a lot but it's one of the few examples that actually contributes to both character development and plot. and black dudes always gotta keep their shoe game fresh to death. it makes sense to have that scene, like, it had genuine narrative value. were they supposed to make up a shoe brand. I thought the Audi product placement was way dumber e: oops didn't realize this was on page 5
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Mar 6, 2015 10:12
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my favourite adbusters is the adbusters that claimed that advertisements caused autism because it inspired me to never read adbusters againd e: also lol at jacobin of all people going after them, its just the kind of poo poo flinging that a bunch of middle-class communist ingenues who named themselves after a bunch of french proto-fascists would partake in Constant Hamprince fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 13:30
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Mar 6, 2015 13:47
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indigi posted:people talk about this one a lot but it's one of the few examples that actually contributes to both character development and plot. and black dudes always gotta keep their shoe game fresh to death. it makes sense to have that scene, like, it had genuine narrative value. were they supposed to make up a shoe brand. I thought the Audi product placement was way dumber come on the converse shoes line was really forced, while the audi he drove was just his car and looked like the loving futar
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Mar 6, 2015 14:58
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uh, no, advertisements always have been and will continue to be loving filth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCKxWQCs3f0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJBRpylC9-Q
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Mar 6, 2015 16:02
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiit
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Mar 6, 2015 20:53
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pagancow posted:come on the converse shoes line was really forced, while the audi he drove was just his car and looked like the loving futar i liked the motorcycle.
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Mar 6, 2015 20:54
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duTrieux. posted:ohhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiit this image is very confusing to my brain because it looks liek it has a transparent background but it doesnt
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Mar 6, 2015 20:59
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duTrieux. posted:ohhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiit  its so flat!!
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Mar 6, 2015 21:02
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Sniep posted:this image is very confusing to my brain because it looks liek it has a transparent background but it doesnt it's a great effect imo
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Mar 6, 2015 21:05
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duTrieux. posted:it's a great effect imo i dont care about the design of hte cans one way or another i was purely commenting on the background pattern that resembles "transparent"
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Mar 6, 2015 21:09
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Sniep posted:i dont care about the design of hte cans one way or another i was purely commenting on the background pattern that resembles "transparent" yeah i know
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Mar 6, 2015 21:12
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no deturcl you dont get it. he means the background. not the cans
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Mar 6, 2015 21:21
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Rooney McNibnug posted:uh, no, advertisements always have been and will continue to be loving filth. advertising is just a mirror of culture at the time so you're basically saying that people are loving filth
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Mar 6, 2015 23:22
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pagancow posted:advertising is just a mirror of culture at the time so you're basically saying that people are loving filth finally you get it
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Mar 6, 2015 23:23
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duTrieux. posted:ohhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiit eeeehhhhhh, they played with fire once and got burned  http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204012004577070521211375302 dont gently caress with a brand after you've set it CORN SYRUP = red ASPARTAME = white
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Mar 6, 2015 23:27
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pagancow posted:advertising is just a mirror of culture at the time so you're basically saying that people are loving filth yes, especially advertisers.
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Mar 6, 2015 23:29
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you do realize thats like blaming a mirror for being ugly?
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Mar 6, 2015 23:30
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pagancow posted:you do realize thats like blaming a mirror for being ugly? that doesn't make you not ugly
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Mar 6, 2015 23:40
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