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I suspect that anyone claiming the Cena/Rusev segment was bad is so deep into meta-analysis and "but what does this mean for THE BOOKING?" rather than just taking stuff for what it is that they're going to find it hard to enjoy anything.
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Mar 10, 2015 09:16
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Or because it made Rusev look like a weak pathetic stupid joke(again) who is defending his title against resident unstoppable superman John Cena at Wrestlemania in a match no one believes Rusev will win, despite the fact that this feud could be serving to elevate Rusev to main event status. Last year Cena fed on Wyatt for no loving reason and Bray has yet to recover. This year I hope Rusev can bounce back from the same treatment. vvvvv: 
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Mar 10, 2015 09:20
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So is it just me, or did the guy representing America kinda tortured a guy until he got what he wanted?
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Mar 10, 2015 09:21
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GrimGypsy posted:Or because it made Rusev look like a weak pathetic stupid joke(again) who is defending his title against resident unstoppable superman John Cena at Wrestlemania in a match no one believes Rusev will win, despite the fact that this feud could be serving to elevate Rusev to main event status. He looked weak weeks after a back and forth feud with Cena where they've both been beating on each other. I'd prefer he didn't tap with both hands but the rest of it was fine. It's not like Rusev sells his unstoppable superman gimmick well since well, he sells a bunch. If he can be hobbled by Swagger he can tap to the STF outside of a match. Superstring posted:So is it just me, or did the guy representing America kinda tortured a guy until he got what he wanted? He fought a guy 1 on 1 and put him in his move until he got what he wanted. A guy he hates who has injured him, cheated to beat him and talks poo poo about his country. It's pro wrestling, problems are solved with violence. Sometimes I wonder if people remember what they are watching.
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Superstring posted:So is it just me, or did the guy representing America kinda tortured a guy until he got what he wanted? I prefer the term "enhanced negotiation".
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Mar 10, 2015 09:23
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John Cena, the valiant babyface, beat the poo poo out of a man until he reached unconsciousness, only to revive him again and force him to beg for mercy after throwing a tantrum last week when his boss rightfully called him out for his sense of entitlement. All while making this face.  John Cena, the valiant babyface. Nothing is wrong. Nothing is wrong. Nothing is wrong.
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MassRafTer posted:He looked weak weeks after a back and forth feud with Cena where they've both been beating on each other. I'd prefer he didn't tap with both hands but the rest of it was fine. It's not like Rusev sells his unstoppable superman gimmick well since well, he sells a bunch. If he can be hobbled by Swagger he can tap to the STF outside of a match. They remember, they just hate Cena and like Rusev so this is going to be peoples reactions forever. They'll not remember he won at Fast Lane either, they'll be mad that it was slightly dirty even though Rusev's the heel. Honestly if we're going to talk about bad things on the show, this was not one of them. It could really have used JR though. Superstring posted:So is it just me, or did the guy representing America kinda tortured a guy until he got what he wanted? Yeah, though the message was more "No no, I'm not going to let you just pass out like I passed out, I am not leaving until I have what I want." it'll be good if they call back to it in the match) they wont) where Rusev passes out and then Cena wakes him again, or Visa versa, Cena collapses in the Accolade, and then before the ref calls for the bell Rusev slaps him awake. Because he wants to make him SUBMIT drat it. EDIT: oh yeah, and it's nice that he's actually pulling hard on the STF now, like gently caress that looks uncomfortable.
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Mar 10, 2015 09:36
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Gonzo McFee posted:John Cena is a garbage bastard man. He's got his match though.
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The Rusev storyline will always suck until the premise isn't "man is openly patriotic to a different country against man from this country". Droll as hell.
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The Authority should've had Dolph vacate the IC title rather than had him drop it to Barrett. Then, I could understand everyone trying to claim a vacated title by stealing it from one another rather than the IC title being the ring from Lord of the Rings. E: What's more coveted? The IC title or the Andre trophy?
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Aurain posted:The Rusev storyline will always suck until the premise isn't "man is openly patriotic to a different country against man from this country". Droll as hell. "Man constantly says country he is in sucks, has manager who says it sucks even more while praising a man confirmed by Dave Meltzer to be an evil genius." Go to another country and start calling everyone stupid, useless and their country a failure and see how it goes.
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God I'm so ready for heel Cena again. Look at that face! Him and Regins are such natural heels.
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RBX posted:God I'm so ready for heel Cena again. Look at that face! Him and Regins are such natural heels. Heel Cena is going to fight Reigns and the crowd will love him.
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America does suck, tho.
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Prozach posted:John Cena, the valiant babyface, beat the poo poo out of a man until he reached unconsciousness, only to revive him again and force him to beg for mercy after throwing a tantrum last week when his boss rightfully called him out for his sense of entitlement. it's wrestling Aurain posted:The Rusev storyline will always suck until the premise isn't "man is openly patriotic to a different country against man from this country". Droll as hell. it's wrestling
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Prozach posted:John Cena, the valiant babyface, beat the poo poo out of a man until he reached unconsciousness, only to revive him again and force him to beg for mercy after throwing a tantrum last week when his boss rightfully called him out for his sense of entitlement. - Picked a fight because his App promo was cut a little short. - Beat up a guy in a non-match in front of the man's cowering girlfriend. - Denied rematch. - Throws hissy fit. - Denied again. - Says he's moving on to the Andre match, denied that. - Throws hissy fit, beats up Axel extra hard just because. - Beats up Rusev extra extra hard until Lana is upset & scared into giving in to his demands. Rusev has, on occasion, continued to keep the Accolade on a guy after the bell has rung. He and Lana have said America sucks. They've dropped their own flag on Cena. Cena is the biggest loving baby possible and if his target had an American accent, he would absolutely, definitively be the heel. 'Johnny Foreigner' is the entire (face) justification for Cena and against no other opponent would anything he's done be considered remotely face-esque.
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pressedbunny posted:To recap for anyone claiming Cena looks like anything but the worst man right now, the entire angle so far for Cena is: I've gone into why most of this stuff is wrong but in what world did he beat up Axel extra hard just because? He had a match with Axel and after Stephanie McMahon came out to be a massive hypocrite and rear end in a top hat to him, Axel came out to be a delusional rear end in a top hat as well. Cena then warned him, then squashed him quickly where he didn't even really beat on him that much at all. He beat him in a wrestling match. What an rear end in a top hat.
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Spermgod posted:it's wrestling Sports Entertainment
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pressedbunny posted:To recap for anyone claiming Cena looks like anything but the worst man right now, the entire angle so far for Cena is: Cena strong.
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Spermgod posted:people complain that Cena blows off losing and then when he feels entitled to a rematch because the heel cheated they complain that he's being a whiny baby. lol There's a middle ground between him not caring and going the full Patrick Bateman.
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i'm glad i don't live in the world some of you inhabit where every babyface is a clean-cut all-american Lawful Good hero. babyfaces being assholes and using underhanded tactics to get ahead has been part of wrestling for decades. the only reason people are complaining about it in this instance is because they don't like Cena.
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Mar 10, 2015 10:01
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Have Rusev beat Cena clean at Mania, causing Cena to descend into a terrifying spiral of self doubt, hatred and eventual madness.
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MassRafTer posted:I've gone into why most of this stuff is wrong but in what world did he beat up Axel extra hard just because? He had a match with Axel and after Stephanie McMahon came out to be a massive hypocrite and rear end in a top hat to him, Axel came out to be a delusional rear end in a top hat as well. Cena then warned him, then squashed him quickly where he didn't even really beat on him that much at all. ed: and I would like to point out that even if squashing Axel hadn't have happened at all, everything else would still point to Cena being playground bully numero uno.
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pressedbunny posted:Faces don't put a guy in a submission after they've already squashed him in one move. Faces don't threaten people—however delusional—with GBH. Heroes don't demand to be on the PPV "because I'm me and I have to be on every PPV because reasons". have you actually watched wrestling before
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Spermgod posted:i'm glad i don't live in the world some of you inhabit where every babyface is a clean-cut all-american Lawful Good hero. babyfaces being assholes and using underhanded tactics to get ahead has been part of wrestling for decades. the only reason people are complaining about it in this instance is because they don't like Cena. He stretched a man until he passed out and the woke him up to stretch him again. Russev hasn't done anything approaching that bad to Cena.
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The thing in WWE I'm most looking forward to is this thread once DB is losing to Stardust and Luke Harper in non-title matches.
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Spermgod posted:have you actually watched wrestling before
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pressedbunny posted:Faces don't put a guy in a submission after they've already squashed him in one move. Faces don't threaten people—however delusional—with GBH. Heroes don't demand to be on the PPV "because I'm me and I have to be on every PPV because reasons". Yeah right. Faces go for revenge all the time. Faces get angry, faces beat the crap out of people. In the 80s if you were feuding with a manager's stable you'd finally get a match where if you won you got 5 minutes with the manager. The weak, pathetic guy would be stuck with you and people would go wild. Then the manager's new charge would come in for the save and restart the feud. What do you think Kaufman/Lawler was? Andy was a huge dick to the people of Memphis and women so Lawler stood up for them and took pride in sending him to the hospital. Rusev has attacked managers, he's cheated, he's bullied people, he's insulted America, he's injured Cena, he's lied about Cena, insulted his honor and cowardly denied him a rematch despite blatantly cheating to win. Somehow this makes Cena a whiny baby even though wrestling is full of faces getting hosed and then wanting rematches. It's a part of real sports. It was a huge part of Flair's heel title reigns! John Cena was wronged by two petty xenophobes. He's even gone so far as to say he respects Rusev's patriotism but doesn't like how he treats America. This is the only feud in WWE getting any heat right now and there's a reason for that, it's really good.
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The manager he attacked was a fascist with a silly moustache. Russev did the right thing.
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Spermgod posted:it's wrestling
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MassRafTer posted:"Man constantly says country he is in sucks, has manager who says it sucks even more while praising a man confirmed by Dave Meltzer to be an evil genius." Isn't this what, like, half of our political system is doing to the other half? poo poo, Mitt Romney capped off his presidential campaign by calling half of the country lazy, entitled moochers who will never care for themselves. Calling America a shitpile is a time honored tradition in this country!
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Aurain posted:I guess the poo poo thing is not poo poo because of that then. Not saying it's not okay to enjoy things that are poo poo, I partake in that quite often (WWE). It is a world where violence is used to solve problems. Cena ran down and beat him in a fair fight where Rusev even got in the first blows.
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Mm, yes, you dumb smarks just don't understand how genius these boring lovely heat-less WM feuds really are.
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GrimGypsy posted:Mm, yes, you dumb smarks just don't understand how genius these boring lovely heat-less WM feuds really are. that segment was one of the only things that actually woke the crowd up on the entire show. did you watch it.
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GrimGypsy posted:Mm, yes, you dumb smarks just don't understand how genius these boring lovely heat-less WM feuds really are. It's the only match with any heat and doing that stuff had the crowd chanting Cena. I'd ask if you even watched the show but your posts make it pretty clear you never do.
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If they brought up any of Rusev's past feuds then I'd be slightly on board with that thinking. If Cena was standing up to the bully who has run over all his friends, I'd get it. They haven't been doing that, they've not included that stuff. WWE ignores anything which happens more than two months ago. The entirety of this angle, from the start, has been Cena throwing his weight around because he thinks it's his right to do so. Cena didn't give a poo poo about Rusev until his last sentence of a promo on the app was cut short by Rusev wanting to use the mic to shittalk somebody else. The start of this whole thing was literally just that Cena didn't get to finish his sentence and Rusev ignored him. Flair never picked a fight with someone because they weren't paying attention to him. ed: and trying to gauge how 'hot' an angle is because of one crowd's reaction is lunacy. Every crowd cheers, boos or goes dead for different angles and matches. Cena can be cheered wildly in one city then booed the next week in another. Some crowds are dead for everything, some are hot for everything, some flip a coin every segment. If you sat through the last 12 months of WWE programming and haven't picked up on this, I have no idea what to say to you. pressedbunny fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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